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If god really never existed...

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manlymatt83

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... then how come there's no "anti-bible" from biblical times?

In other words, so many people in modern day times are quick to say "thanks for dumbing us down", or "oh god, here comes another bible story again". Perhaps these people consider themselves more educated or logical. Perhaps they understand physics enough to fully believe in the Big Bang theory and discount biblical claims. Perhaps they just don't want to believe in something they can't see. I don't know the reasons - but for all the people on these forums who consider themselves religious and/or god believing, there are also those who worship a spaghetti monster.

So my question is: where are these "spaghetti monster" worshipers of biblical times? Where are the books written from people in that age that say "The truth about the bible", and have some guy writing from his desk about how he overheard someone outside his hut talking about writing this fictional book called "The bible" and how it was going to make him millions. I don't know -- if the bible is a document that is supposed to accurately depict how life was during the age of Jesus, why aren't there any significant books that counter-act his existence from that time period?



Disclaimer: I have no idea how I feel about religion or god and I'm still making up my mind. So this argument is neutral and should not be taken as a pro-bible or anti-bible argument.
 
A. Nice troll post

B. I would like to learn more about this "big bank" theory.

Originally posted by: manlymatt83
Perhaps they understand physics enough to fully believe in the Big Bank theory
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Originally posted by: Ocguy31
A. Nice troll post

B. I would like to learn more about this "big bank" theory.
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Troll? I'm really not meant to be trolling. I'm actually quite curious.

If this is trolling, then feel free to lock. Not my intention at all. Was just a discussion my friends and I were having at dinner last night.
 
Originally posted by: Ocguy31
A. Nice troll post

B. I would like to learn more about this "big bank" theory.

Originally posted by: manlymatt83
Perhaps they understand physics enough to fully believe in the Big Bank theory
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I fail to see how the OP was trolling.

However, I do see that you have resorted to attacking the OP and pointing out typos instead of actually contributing something to the thread.

Good job buddy.
 
Geography dictates religion. If the Catholic view is the truth and the only truth, would it not have been present everywhere at the same time as opposed to spreading outwards from Judea? There are many different religions, some acknowledge there are other follower of god from other religions and preach tolerance.

Also, you have to distinguish people against religion and people against faith.
 
I think that most people believe that Jesus did exist and began a religious movement, but the doubt or disbelief is whether there is actually a God
 
There are no books that counteract his existance in that period because, why would there be?

Imagine someone in the future found a Harry Potter book. What would they think

People who can do magic, a guy named Harry who is able to come back from the dead, kill immortal beings, and do other great things? Is it possible they might think of him as a god? There isn't any literature thats says HARRY POTTER DOESN't EXIST. But we know full well he doesn't.

While I think that Jesus may have existed, I hardly believe he was the Son of God, but merely a carpenter/teacher. The Bible doesn't make sense historically, as lots of things didn't happen when the Bible said they did.

Anyway, if the Christian god "existed" what about things like the egyption gods? The Mayan Gods? There are plenty of people who worshpi differant religions. That alone should tell us soemthing about how religion works. people want to believe what they want to believe. Though, religion is such a outdated concept
 
I'll bite. If God truly existed, then why the great disparities in religions of the world? Was it only one God, as described in JudeoCristian and Muslim texts, or were there many Gods as outlined in Hinduism, or the Norse, Greek and Roman mythologies? Why is the Bible the definitive text on the existence of God when it was written by men just as any other holy texts were? Are we to believe that the men who wrote the Bible literally spoke to God, but any man who wrote a holy text before or after was delusional? Maybe those other holy texts are the anti-Bible you speak of...

And to be fair, Christians were persecuted for several centuries after Jesus; the Romans fed them to the lions in the arena. That's a pretty strong indictment of a religion from "Biblical times."
 
Originally posted by: manlymatt83
... then how come there's no "anti-bible" from biblical times?

In other words, so many people in modern day times are quick to say "thanks for dumbing us down", or "oh god, here comes another bible story again". Perhaps these people consider themselves more educated or logical. Perhaps they understand physics enough to fully believe in the Big Bang theory and discount biblical claims. Perhaps they just don't want to believe in something they can't see. I don't know the reasons - but for all the people on these forums who consider themselves religious and/or god believing, there are also those who worship a spaghetti monster.

So my question is: where are these "spaghetti monster" worshipers of biblical times? Where are the books written from people in that age that say "The truth about the bible", and have some guy writing from his desk about how he overheard someone outside his hut talking about writing this fictional book called "The bible" and how it was going to make him millions. I don't know -- if the bible is a document that is supposed to accurately depict how life was during the age of Jesus, why aren't there any significant books that counter-act his existence from that time period?



Disclaimer: I have no idea how I feel about religion or god and I'm still making up my mind. So this argument is neutral and should not be taken as a pro-bible or anti-bible argument.
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Look up all the other religions from the past. They all said that everyone else was bunk, just like all religions do today. Come on.
 
Many of the events in the bible actually happened. Many of the stories grew in magnitude over time - and over many translations. So generally by the time fact-checking was merited, those who lived during the period the texts were about were long gone.

Also, there are "anti-bibles". Just look at Catholic vs. Jewish beliefs over Jesus. Two completely different stories about his life, death, and resurrection.
 
Originally posted by: manlymatt83
... then how come there's no "anti-bible" from biblical times?

In other words, so many people in modern day times are quick to say "thanks for dumbing us down", or "oh god, here comes another bible story again". Perhaps these people consider themselves more educated or logical. Perhaps they understand physics enough to fully believe in the Big Bang theory and discount biblical claims. Perhaps they just don't want to believe in something they can't see. I don't know the reasons - but for all the people on these forums who consider themselves religious and/or god believing, there are also those who worship a spaghetti monster.

So my question is: where are these "spaghetti monster" worshipers of biblical times? Where are the books written from people in that age that say "The truth about the bible", and have some guy writing from his desk about how he overheard someone outside his hut talking about writing this fictional book called "The bible" and how it was going to make him millions. I don't know -- if the bible is a document that is supposed to accurately depict how life was during the age of Jesus, why aren't there any significant books that counter-act his existence from that time period?



Disclaimer: I have no idea how I feel about religion or god and I'm still making up my mind. So this argument is neutral and should not be taken as a pro-bible or anti-bible argument.
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ok this is really simple.

the anti bibles were the thousands of other religions that existed during this time. they are all the gospels that did NOT make it into the new testemant canon. do a little history on xtianity and see how many different versions existed. the council of nicea basically decided which version to follow.

there were no skeptics because everyone back then was superstitious and ignorant and believed in a god. atheism didnt really even become an option until many centuries later.

 
Originally posted by: rudeguy
Originally posted by: Ocguy31
A. Nice troll post

B. I would like to learn more about this "big bank" theory.

Originally posted by: manlymatt83
Perhaps they understand physics enough to fully believe in the Big Bank theory
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I fail to see how the OP was trolling.

However, I do see that you have resorted to attacking the OP and pointing out typos instead of actually contributing something to the thread.

Good job buddy.
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You did the same thing to him.

OP religious texts were written down by people that *generally* had some kind of "vision from God". The likely explination for this is these people had a reason to write it (be it high on drugs, wanting to control the population, bored, or a true vision by "God"), whereas the people who didn't believe had no reason to write about nothing.

If you are saying "how come they didn't make a book of 'rules to live by', or at least guidelines for morality/ethics/etc?" then my response to you is look at philosophy. Philosophy is where a lot of the people who didn't believe in 'God' (or didn't know one way or the other) wrote.
 
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