If Fury is overpriced, why is a $1000 Titan-X acceptable?

[iiiankiii]

The Titan Z was a sales failure for the same reason. But you forget that it seems.

Instead we have to hear some nonsense from someone that got hurt over that the Fury didnt live up to the hype with anger projection on other products.

The Fury X is pretty much a big fail at its current price with all metrics besides the water cooler against it.

Titan Z didn't need to sell a lot. It was the halo card. Premium, yo.

 

[guskline]

Quite true, ...PS4 and XBox1 games are looking better and better to me lately, especially w/ my shitty eyesight - Ha! :biggrin:

spinejam I hear you. My 32" BenQ BL3200PT is really the answer to my sore eyes.:biggrin:

 

[Arachnotronic]

When I bought my Titan X, there was no single GPU on the market that was faster, and I was in need of a high-end single GPU, so it made sense.

If I were buying today, I would not buy a Titan X with that money. I would get an aftermarket 980 Ti, no question, and pocket the difference.

 

[YBS1]

Titan Z didn't need to sell a lot. It was the halo card. Premium, yo.

A lot? I'm not sure they sold any. Even our resident "price is no object" AdamK47 didn't buy one of these, and he buys all the good crap.

 

[Silverforce11]

You are implicitly claiming that pure gaming speed is the only thing that should ever determine the pricing of a videocard, which is nonsense.

This used to matter for Titan, when it had awesome DP compute capabilities. Titan X has been neutered in that regards. There's no distinguishing feature except for 12GB vram which no credible review has shown it to be beneficial over 6 or even 4GB, because it lacks processing power to really push 4K, even in SLI it cannot run with vram crippling 8x MSAA (whether 8X MSAA is even needed at 4K is subjective).

By your assessment, pure gaming speed isn't the only thing that factors in the price.. well, Fury X is both a gaming & compute powerhouse. It's also the coolest & one of the quietest out of the box GPU, which happens to exhaust heat out your rig, thereby improving thermals for the entire system.

For someone who games at 1440p, the difference is marginal, and a tie at 4K suggests the entire package is halo worthy once the metrics are factored in.

Suddenly cool, quiet, heat exhaust rather than dumping in the case are non factors for a lot of the same people who used to repeatedly said there's value in those metrics.

I heavily criticized R290/X reference for hot & loud. I place a strong value on cool & quiet, hence I go through the effort of water cooling my rig. Fury X does it all out of the box with full warranty. My stance is consistent.

This thread has proven there's double standards. NV = halo, regardless for some. Thanks BFG10K.

 

[ShintaiDK]

Titan Z didn't need to sell a lot. It was the halo card. Premium, yo.

And how is this related to the Fury X again? Unless you want a quite significant price increase to the Fury X just to make things worse with 0 sales.

 

[BFG10K]

The Titan Z was a sales failure for the same reason. But you forget that it seems.

Sales failure? I thought it was about "the halo"? Who's shifting the goal-posts now?

Why was it priced that way to begin with? Or to put it another way, if Fury sells well, will that also make it a halo, irrespective of price?

Instead we have to hear some nonsense from someone that got hurt over that the Fury didnt live up to the hype with anger projection on other products.

I never had any intention of purchasing a Fury because I'm skipping this generation. But like any legitimate consumer, I'm concerned if competition starts drying up. Obviously the same doesn't apply to you.

The Fury X is pretty much a big fail at its current price with all metrics besides the water cooler against it.

Is your definition of "fail" based on your opinion, or based on Fury sales data?

 

[Raftina]

Titan X:
What nVidia promised: The fastest single GPU card on the market
What users expected: The fastest single GPU card on the market with an outrageously bad perf/price ratio
What users got at launch: The fastest single GPU card on the market with an outrageously bad perf/price ratio

Fury X:
What AMD promised: The fastest single GPU card on the market with 2/3 the price of the second place
What users expected: The fastest single GPU card on the market with 2/3 the price of the second place
What users got at launch: The tied for second fastest single GPU card on the market with the same price as the tied card

I see no reason consider the lack of criticism against the Titan X's pricing unusual. It gave the market exactly what was expected--a vanity product that isn't worth the asking price--, unlike the Fury X. Those who were interested in what the Titan X was supposed to be would buy it for what it was, and those who weren't ignored it.

 

[SirPauly]

I don't think that's the case, I think it's not scrutinized because almost universally it's agreed it's a horrible choice for the money, no need to debate it. It's like everyone agreeing water is wet.

Indeed! No one I read is strongly defending or recommending the TItan X - and don't understand the logic of this thread.

The reason, to me, for some forum disappointment isn't blatant double standards but AMD didn't deliver enough based on the hype of HBM. This hurts their branding and how inefficient their engineering may be when a much lower stream processor count, cut-down core utilizing traditional memory is faster over-all.

I"m disappointed based on I personally waited to see what AMD offered and fell for the HBM hype.

 

[Silverforce11]

Btw, I've contacted some of the biggest retailers for the region here, they sell Fury X the instant they come in stock.

Whether there's not enough or that demand is much higher than the crowd here suggest (like people who hated R290/X for hot/loud, even tho it was faster & cheaper than the competition), maybe the average gamer do indeed place a big premium on cool & quiet.

 

[tviceman]

It's not acceptable. Anyone that buys the Titan line for gaming either blows their nose with $50 bills, or they are idiots. I choose not to talk much about Titan X or any other Titan because it's beyond the stratosphere of ridiculous.

It's like choosing between a perfect set of size D's or a slightly bigger perfect set of size DD's that come with extreme nag. Yeah, the DD's might be slightly nicer, but in no way are they worth the extra baggage to any sane person.

 

[ShintaiDK]

Sales failure? I thought it was about "the halo"? Who's shifting the goal-posts now?

Why was it priced that way to begin with? Or to put it another way, if Fury sells well, will that also make it a halo, irrespective of price?

I never had any intention of purchasing a Fury because I'm skipping this generation. But like any legitimate consumer, I'm concerned if competition starts drying up. Obviously the same doesn't apply to you.

Is your definition of "fail" based on your opinion, or based on Fury sales data?

You thread title is why is Fury X overpriced and why isnt the Titan X. You already got the answer to that but rejected it. Now it seems what you really want is a cheap Titan X, tho you keep shifting goalposts. So its not easy to see what your real motive may be.

Competition should be the least of your concerns. The rapid shrinking dGPU segment and the long term survival of any of the 2 dGPU makers should. Its not gotten any cheaper to design and manufactor dGPUs, that price only goes one way. And with the volume quickly eroding you can figure out the rest.

 

[iiiankiii]

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[Arachnotronic]

It's not acceptable. Anyone that buys the Titan line for gaming either blows their nose with $50 bills, or they are idiots. I choose not to talk much about Titan X or any other Titan because it's beyond the stratosphere of ridiculous.

I don't blow my nose with $50 bills, so I guess that makes me an idiot! :biggrin:

 

[iiiankiii]

And how is this related to the Fury X again? Unless you want a quite significant price increase to the Fury X just to make things worse with 0 sales.

Don't be silly. The Fury X is selling out right now. Make that statement once they're not selling out. Since they're selling out, it is impossible to sell 0.

 

[ShintaiDK]

Don't be silly. The Fury X is selling out right now. Make that statement once they're not selling out. Since they're selling out, it is impossible to sell 0.

Seems you forgot to read all I posted. If you want the Fury X to be halo priced with its features and performance metrics as they are. Do you think it would sell?

 

[tviceman]

Apparently water cooling isn't worth anything. Cool, quiet, all the heat exhaust out your case, worthless. /s

Never have I seen anyone mention heat exhaust so many times in 3 days as I have with you. I guess something is never truly important until you decide it's a great talking point.

Dude, Fury X sucks even at $599. OC Fury X loses to OC open air 980 TI at 1440p by 25-30%. If heat exhaust is suddenly a premium feature normal cases can't handle and worth sacrificing huge performance over, sign you up ASAP!

 

[Silverforce11]

Those are the benefits of water cooling. If you don't appreciate it, you don't appreciate it. Others who water cool do appreciate it.

ps. Water cooling and its benefits have been around much longer than your new found opinion that cool, quiet and heat exhaust(!!!) isn't important.

 

[Headfoot]

The water cooler adds some value. Unfortunately it does not seem to allow superior overclocking.

It's still temporarily voltage locked until utilities come out. We don't know how it truly overclocks yet since we can't overvolt yet. This is 100% wrong.

Stop parroting this garbage.

Unless you think more voltage won't increase the overclocks?

 

[ultimatebob]

wat

This is like the mirror image of the ridiculous complaints that a PC game like Crysis is "unoptimized" simply because the complainers chose to turn on every single optional feature the game shipped with, and that the hardware of the time was not yet strong enough to run properly. Cards at every price point keep getting better than the previous ones were. The fact we now have a more expensive option available that's even nicer than the ones we have at what used to be the highest price is just that - an option.

The problem is that the "l33t gamerz" who are bragging about now much better their system looks at 4K resolution compared to an XBox One or PS4 are playing it on $2,000 gaming PC's with $650 video cards. Most parents can't afford to buy their kids something like that.

So, instead of a having an entire generation of kids growing up on Quake 3 and Unreal Tournament on relatively cheap PC's with $200 3Dfx Voodoo 2 cards like we did, they're growing up playing endless Halo and Call Of Duty sequels on consoles like the XBox One and PS4. The PC gaming community probably isn't going to get those people back when they grow up.

 

[flopper]

The problem is that the "l33t gamerz" who are bragging about now much better their system looks at 4K resolution compared to an XBox One or PS4 are playing it on $2,000 gaming PC's with $650 video cards. Most parents can't afford to buy their kids something like that.

So, instead of a having an entire generation of kids growing up on Quake 3 and Unreal Tournament on relatively cheap PC's with $200 3Dfx Voodoo 2 cards like we did, they're growing up playing endless Halo and Call Of Duty sequels on consoles like the XBox One and PS4. The PC gaming community probably isn't going to get those people back when they grow up.

PC gaming is different for sure
4 new fury for Kaapstad testing and he removes 4 titans I think
I cant afford such but I enjoy those that can.
http://forums.overclockers.co.uk/showpost.php?p=28234458&postcount=1205

 

[AdamK47]

The Titan was overpriced.
The Titan Black was overpriced.
The Titan Z was overpriced.
The Titan X is overpriced.

I hope NVidia continues to make these overpriced cards. I'll buy them.

 

[Ma_Deuce]

Never have I seen anyone mention heat exhaust so many times in 3 days as I have with you. I guess something is never truly important until you decide it's a great talking point.

Dude, Fury X sucks even at $599. OC Fury X loses to OC open air 980 TI at 1440p by 25-30%. If heat exhaust is suddenly a premium feature normal cases can't handle and worth sacrificing huge performance over, sign you up ASAP!

Cool, quiet and heat exhausted outside the case ARE worth a little $$$ to a lot of us. In fact, it's why I bought my Kraken X60 instead of a cheaper, louder CPU cooling option.

I'd rather hear my game than be listening to the noise of a 980ti every time the fans spool up. The Fury X is flying off the shelves as fast as they are in stock. Im not a believer in the masses always being right, but it's a good indicator that the demand is high.

 

[SexyK]

Titan X:
What nVidia promised: The fastest single GPU card on the market
What users expected: The fastest single GPU card on the market with an outrageously bad perf/price ratio
What users got at launch: The fastest single GPU card on the market with an outrageously bad perf/price ratio

Fury X:
What AMD promised: The fastest single GPU card on the market with 2/3 the price of the second place
What users expected: The fastest single GPU card on the market with 2/3 the price of the second place
What users got at launch: The tied for second fastest single GPU card on the market with the same price as the tied card

I see no reason consider the lack of criticism against the Titan X's pricing unusual. It gave the market exactly what was expected--a vanity product that isn't worth the asking price--, unlike the Fury X. Those who were interested in what the Titan X was supposed to be would buy it for what it was, and those who weren't ignored it.

This post should end the thread. At the time it was released, there was no single card anywhere in the same ballpark as the Titan X from a performance perspective. Everyone who bought one knew that they were paying a very steep early adopter premium for that performance. Value or not, Titan X purchasers knew they were getting the best single card money could buy at the time. Of course, the 980Ti has muddied that picture (hence why no one is recommending Titan X at this point), but there was a three-month period where Titan X stood alone at the top in terms of raw performance - and by a significant margin. That is the definition of halo product.

Fury X may be a great choice for some people, but it certainly doesn't have any of the attributes of a halo product. As such, it needs to find it's natural place in the pricing pecking order. $650 is likely on the high side when you look at its features and performance objectively in the current market context.

 

[Jaydip]

The OP has a Titan and yet bashes the Titan-X price /thread.