most are pro-choice - but they dont want abortion on demand either. Most are ok with parential notification and no late term. The dems are going to have to soften their stance on abortion.
most are pro environmental control - but not at the expense of their jobs or massive increases in evergy costs.
pro labour - Americans are for good jobs, but they dont have much sympathy for asshat unions that drive companies out of the country or business.
Truth is, the Democrats already control both chambers; not in name, but certainly in spirit. The current GOP has gone pretty far left fiscally; after all, are they not spending like drunken sailors? Is this not the same pattern established when the Democrats ran both chambers? The budget wasn't balanced from 1969-1994 (when the Dems controlled at least one but usually both chambers), and now it's back in the red again.
And before you suggest the President is responsible for the budget, review your copy of Article I, U.S. Constitution. Only Congress has the power to tax and spend. Sure, the President can offer a budget, but so can your Aunt Sally. If it's not approved by Congress (usually after extensive modification), then it doesn't mean squat.
And before you suggest the President is responsible for the budget, review your copy of Article I, U.S. Constitution. Only Congress has the power to tax and spend. Sure, the President can offer a budget, but so can your Aunt Sally. If it's not approved by Congress (usually after extensive modification), then it doesn't mean squat.
Actually Hell would have to break lose.
The only way Dems could come back is somehow wrest the religious brainwashed Republicans away from both Church and State.
Pretty tough to do, it took WWWII to do it in the 1940's.
Originally posted by: Stunt
So if Republicans aren't fiscally conservative, why vote them in...
I guess I prefer the party which claims to be fiscally conservative and isn't to the party which doesn't even try. But it's lose/lose either way.
lets skip the religious terms and just do the moral part. I think its been fairly well established that religion is ussually the antithesis of morality.
Stunt
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If it's a lose/lose, vote Dem for prez...at least you get better foriegn policy, better environment and good social policy (judicary nominees). Then back it up with a Republican house/senate...Just like the Clinton days.Originally posted by: Mursilis
I guess I prefer the party which claims to be fiscally conservative and isn't to the party which doesn't even try. But it's lose/lose either way.Originally posted by: Stunt
So if Republicans aren't fiscally conservative, why vote them in...
Originally posted by: Mursilis
Originally posted by: Stunt
So if Republicans aren't fiscally conservative, why vote them in...
I guess I prefer the party which claims to be fiscally conservative and isn't to the party which doesn't even try. But it's lose/lose either way.
As long as a few people pay most of the taxes, the majority will vote themselves the treasury....
Yes, it's only the non-religious who are moral. Like Mr. Friedrich "God is dead" Nietzsche:
What is good?--Whatever augments the feeling of power, the will to power, power itself, in man.
What is evil?--Whatever springs from weakness.
What is happiness?--The feeling that power increases--that resistance is overcome.
Not contentment, but more power; not peace at any price, but war; not virtue, but efficiency (virtue in the Renaissance sense, virtu, virtue free of moral acid).
The weak and the botched shall perish: first principle of our charity. And one should help them to it.
What is more harmful than any vice?--Practical sympathy for the botched and the weak--Christianity...
From "The Antichrist"
Engineer
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Originally posted by: Mursilis
Originally posted by: Stunt
So if Republicans aren't fiscally conservative, why vote them in...
I guess I prefer the party which claims to be fiscally conservative and isn't to the party which doesn't even try. But it's lose/lose either way.
Again, QFT.
I've said it before...the GOP are now known as Republicrats. Give a big ole tax break while giving more pork than the Democrats. Who cares about deficits as long as you can't see or feel it. It only catches up if we can't pay...otherwise, it's pretty foolproof.
But this is exactly why I don't vote for liberals: the judiciary should be the LAST branch setting social policy; that's the legislative branch's domain. An unelected judiciary setting social policy via creative 'interpretation' of the law is a recipe for revolt. Haven't liberals learned anything from the gay marriage debacle?
Originally posted by: charrison
Originally posted by: Mursilis
Originally posted by: Stunt
So if Republicans aren't fiscally conservative, why vote them in...
I guess I prefer the party which claims to be fiscally conservative and isn't to the party which doesn't even try. But it's lose/lose either way.
As long as a few people pay most of the taxes, the majority will vote themselves the treasury....
And thus is the inherent flaw of democracy; it devolves gov't into fiscal raiding parties, pitting one group of citizens against another. Fiscal irresponsibility WILL BE the downfall of the U.S.
yllus
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Um, how? What he said was a pretty honest insight into the reason the Democrats will be hard-pressed to win a majority in the near future. Deriding the electorate in one breath and asking for their votes in the next isn't exactly a recipe for success. Examples:
That was one hell of a boneheaded political move that shouts loud and clear that the Democrats aren't going improve their chances anytime soon. They need to win over some of those soft Republican voters by defining very straightforward policy, and then beat voters over the head with it until it springs to mind unbidden.
What do we see instead? Labeling an enormous swath of the electorate as "pretty much" white Christians who "are not very friendly to [immigrants and non-Christians]" (translated from polititalk to what we know he meant). Yeah, letting me know that the party considers me a racist religious nut is sure going to win me over - and personally, I've been a liberal my entire life on social policy.
What do the Democrats offer today that the Republicans don't?
- A return to the same, tired old foreign policy that's obviously been a huge bust.
- They'll stay in Iraq just as long as the Republicans will.
- Both parties won't touch abortion, ever.
- Rather dawdle along until S.S. implodes rather than act, even though Clinton warned about it becoming a major issue during his reign.
- An idiotic plan to stem offshoring by imposing tax penalties on companies that do it. Brilliant way to handicap American companies, and a nice big indicator that Democrats know even less about business than Republicans.
- Scream about energy policy, but kowtow to the NIMBYs and environmental nuts even more than the Republicans do.
If the two parties share this much of the same policies, then there's really only one thing left to use as a weapon: A good leader. Vishnu knows that that's lacking all over, but if I was a Democratic strategist I'd be grooming Obama as fast as I could.
BoberFett
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Originally posted by: charrison
Originally posted by: Mursilis
Originally posted by: Stunt
So if Republicans aren't fiscally conservative, why vote them in...
I guess I prefer the party which claims to be fiscally conservative and isn't to the party which doesn't even try. But it's lose/lose either way.
As long as a few people pay most of the taxes, the majority will vote themselves the treasury....
That sounds like it's right out of The Law.
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