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If Bush lied, then so did Clinton/ Kerry/ Gore/ Albright
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Chadder007
Diamond Member
Kerry told the truth....he is a Vietnam war criminal. Killed children and burned villages. 😕
Well, Train, seeing as how the Iraqis had absolutely nothing to do with 9/11, your connection between them and the Bush Admin's reasons for war are very much the same distortion...
Repeat after me- Communists burned the Reichstag! Say it, out loud, over and over again until you believe it...
Much as the Nazis used that incident, the Bush Admin has used 9/11- w/o that tragic event, and the fearmongering around it, the invasion of iraq would have remained unsupportable among the american population- rightfully so.
By now, the inspections of Iraq would have shown compliance with UN resolutions, sanctions would have ended, and the Iraqis would be pumping enough oil to depress prices and oil company profits worldwide- who'd want that?
Oh, yeh, we'd be a whole lot richer, too, and thousands of young americans wouldn't be dead or shot up, either...
Repeat after me- Communists burned the Reichstag! Say it, out loud, over and over again until you believe it...
Much as the Nazis used that incident, the Bush Admin has used 9/11- w/o that tragic event, and the fearmongering around it, the invasion of iraq would have remained unsupportable among the american population- rightfully so.
By now, the inspections of Iraq would have shown compliance with UN resolutions, sanctions would have ended, and the Iraqis would be pumping enough oil to depress prices and oil company profits worldwide- who'd want that?
Oh, yeh, we'd be a whole lot richer, too, and thousands of young americans wouldn't be dead or shot up, either...
Todd33
Diamond Member
You mean 3500 serviceman and 15,000-25,000 Iraqi civilians? Oh ya, 911 wasn't Iraq, but go ahead and blend them into one large group of evil Arabs like Bush and Cheney do.
Blaming Clinton is getting old, your swallowing the revised history just like Rush wants you too, grats on your lack of independent thinking.
Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken
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posted by: Pliablemoose
I really think the fear of claims that he was trying to put the Lewinski scandal in the background was one of the factors that kept Clinton from more direct action.
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Instead of the Lewinski Affair or Lewinski Scandal, I like to refer to it as the Clinton Missile Crisis.
LOL now some would take that wrong. When the woman that said Clinton well did things he shouldn't have and she could prove it and if you remember the news, Talk shows were all talking about moles, Scares, Leaning to one side or the other and I told my wife you know it would be funny as you know what if he had the smallest humm missile she had ever seen and you know how that turned out
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posted by: Pliablemoose
I really think the fear of claims that he was trying to put the Lewinski scandal in the background was one of the factors that kept Clinton from more direct action.
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Instead of the Lewinski Affair or Lewinski Scandal, I like to refer to it as the Clinton Missile Crisis.
LOL now some would take that wrong. When the woman that said Clinton well did things he shouldn't have and she could prove it and if you remember the news, Talk shows were all talking about moles, Scares, Leaning to one side or the other and I told my wife you know it would be funny as you know what if he had the smallest humm missile she had ever seen and you know how that turned out
Siddhartha
Lifer
Umm, check me on this:
GWB is president of the US right?
GWB led the US in the invasion of Iraq saying that Saddam had WMD and was a
threat to the US. right?
It turns out that Saddam did not have WMD and was not a threat to the US right?
GWB should lose his job for getting his country in this mess.
no, Al-Queda wasnt instantly magnetized to Iraq as soon as we got there, and no, there arent any groups in Iraq now that claim ties with Al-Queda, who also happened to claim to have assasinated 50 newly trained personell, no, none of that would have happened If it was Clinton in the whitehouse
:roll: think a little deeper before the knee jerk.
Spoken like a blind man who wouldn't want to know the truth if it bit him on the ass. Kerry did not say he personally killed children and burned villages.
If you even care to know what he said, here's the transcript of John Kerry's statement before the Senate Foreign Relations Committee on April 22, 1971. The first few paragraphs define what he actually said and where the neocon demagogues get thier snipped sound bites for their lies:
He was describing the war crimes and attrocities reported and discussed by a number of Vietnam vets who did participate in such activities. Nowhere does he say he was speaking for himself, alone.
If you want a better dose of reality, try reading his entire testimony and do a little homework to learn how the U.S. government lied to its troops, and all of its citizens, about the facts that got us into Viet Nam, about why we were there, and what kinds of atrocities were committed by our own troops in our name. Mi Lai was not an isolated incident... Or haven't you heard of Mi Lai, either?
The parallels between our actions in Vietnam and Iraq go far deeper than concerns about quagmires. They go to the same kinds of lies by our leaders in attempting to justify their actions, the same callous disregard for the consequenses of poorly planned actions, the same kinds of coverups and lies to conceal their deceit and far more.
George W. Bush and his adminstration are a national disaster and a national tragedy. We will be paying for their deceit and crimes for generations. 🙁
What, do you honestly think we will ever get rid of all terrorists? Dont be ignorant, he didnt say we will lose. We will never win the war on terror, however, in Iraq and Afganistan we may. There will always be terrorists.
We went to the UN, and France and Germany kept shooting the resolution down because they wanted their oil for food agreement to keep going. Bush said it best when he said we dont need a permission slip to protect our country.
sandorski
No Lifer
Yet no protection has been gained. Iraq was not a threat and the renewed UN INspections were proving it.
The biggest flaw with this arguement(OP) is that the Clinton Admin had to rely on outdated Intel. Intel that was already very questionable, because after the UN Inspectors were pulled out of Iraq Clinton bombed the Hell out of suspected sites in Iraq for 3-4 days straight. There was no way to verify the extent of the damage incurred by the various sites, but it certainly appears that they were very successful.
Bush had new Intel from the renewed UN Inspections and all that Intel was pointing to the Fact that Iraq had Nothing. Yet he pushed ahead as if the opposite were true.
In short, the Clinton Admin was using the known Facts up until UN Inspectors were pulled out. They had no choice, but to assume that their Strikes were unsuccessful due to a lack of ability to verify. OTOH, Bush had New Intel that clearly showed that the Clinton Strikes were very successful and that the Old Intel was unreliable. Bush could have saved Lives and Money just by letting the UN Inspectors finish their job.
edit: spelling
Well the ones that want to use Kerry's statement but if Kerry is not telling the truth then who cares what he said before the senate. Harvey you said Kerry did not say he personally killed children and burned villages. Yes he did, They have played it enough coming out of his own mouth, Also if you remember the vietnam veterans that he had with him was later found out to have lied and most was never even in vietnam and some were never in the service
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