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If Anders Breivik is insane, are all radicals insane?

Texashiker

Texashiker

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Anders Breivik goes on a shooting spree in the name of ethnic cleansing. Prosecutors say Anders is insane.

http://world.time.com/2012/06/20/as...-psychiatry-takes-a-beating/?iid=gs-main-lede

If Anders is insane, what about radical christians, jews and muslims?

How is Anders killing muslims any different then chiristians killing gays?

How is Anders killing muslims any different then radical muslims blowing up a street market?

How is Anders killing muslims any different then jews killing Palestinian women and children?

Should Cortez be considered insane for what he did to the native americans in Mexico?

Should Andrew Jackson be considered insane for what he did to native Americans?

Should we treat everyone who commits a crime in the name of religion as insane?
 
I wouldn't read too much into this, Norway is a different culture..from what I have read they are looking to disgrace him with the insanity flag...he will be locked up forever...no worries there...
 
There is no objective measure of rationality. The majority and its dominant culture decides who is crazy so whether you are insane depends on the framework of the masses, and sometimes I think that they are nuts. In a conflict I lose, however rationally I present my case. That's what you are seeing in Norway.
 
Insanity depends on environment. If you are raised in an environment where killing gays is required, you will appear insane if you do not want to kill gays. Breivik is in a culture where murder is not encouraged and he went on a killing spree; that's insane. Jackson was in a culture where American Indians were thought of as inferior and not God's people, so killing them would not be an act of insanity. Context is important.
 
Texashiker said:
Anders Breivik goes on a shooting spree in the name of ethnic cleansing. Prosecutors say Anders is insane.

http://world.time.com/2012/06/20/as...-psychiatry-takes-a-beating/?iid=gs-main-lede

If Anders is insane, what about radical christians, jews and muslims?

How is Anders killing muslims any different then chiristians killing gays?

How is Anders killing muslims any different then radical muslims blowing up a street market?

How is Anders killing muslims any different then jews killing Palestinian women and children?

Should Cortez be considered insane for what he did to the native americans in Mexico?

Should Andrew Jackson be considered insane for what he did to native Americans?

Should we treat everyone who commits a crime in the name of religion as insane?
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Was there a single Muslim among the 77 Anders killed?
 
Well, one thing for sure, if Brevik wanted to ignite racial tensions in Norway, he was a epic failure. And we might say the same thing about our Gerald Laugner.

But there is one characteristic that is shared in common by the sane and insane, and that is to evaluate the world by a single issue. Its why we can have a Cary Nation smashing up Saloons because alcohol is the root of evil, various religious figures advocating we murder all Gays, the list is endless in all human societies.

As the more "normal" people evaluate the world by many conflicting considerations.
 
Lemon law said:
But there is one characteristic that is shared in common by the sane and insane, and that is to evaluate the world by a single issue. Its why we can have a Cary Nation smashing up Saloons because alcohol is the root of evil, various religious figures advocating we murder all Gays, the list is endless in all human societies.
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What separates obsession from insanity?
 
Texashiker said:
What separates obsession from insanity?
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Actually, insanity is a legal and not psychiatric term. With insanity being the inability to distinguish right from wrong in a criminal sense.

After that Texashiker, anyone's guess is as good as mine.
 
The legal definition of insanity in Norway is very different from the U.S. Here, it means either being unable to appreciate the nature of your actions (i.e. crushing someone's skull but thinking you're crushing an orange) or not understanding that your actions are morally wrong under societal standards.

In Norway, it's clinically determined. If psychiatric experts say the defendant is insane, then he is insane for purposes of the legal process. However, you don't get off on an insanity plea there. You can actually serve more time if deemed insane than if you weren't. Also, I think the term they use is "psychotic" (or the Norwegian translation of it) rather than insane. That is because "insane" has no set definition in society but psychosis is a more specific concept that does have a clinical definition.
 
WHAMPOM said:
Was there a single Muslim among the 77 Anders killed?
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He was targetting indigenous Norwegians [like himself] who were part of the labor party, since he blames them for importing foreigners to Norway and Europe. He is obviously a deranged man, and is delusional to think his goals would be achieved by killing innocent people...But crazy ? I dont think so. But in Norway its just another way to keep him "locked up" for life, and to tarnish his ideals as "insane" amongst the public.
 
peonyu said:
He was targetting indigenous Norwegians [like himself] who were part of the labor party, since he blames them for importing foreigners to Norway and Europe. He is obviously a deranged man, and is delusional to think his goals would be achieved by killing innocent people...But crazy ? I dont think so. But in Norway its just another way to keep him "locked up" for life, and to tarnish his ideals as "insane" amongst the public.
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A picture is worth a thousand words as they say, as my link shows a picture of Brevik grinning ear to ear on the last day of his trial. And insufferably proud of himself. As the families of the victims walked out in silent disbelief.

http://www.jpost.com/International/Article.aspx?id=274865

After that, I apologize to this forum in advance, for posting the picture of a grinning Brevik I just happened to find it on jpost first. Because I want no implications that a grinning Brevik was in any way related to any external Israeli Palestinian issues. After that, I just say two things, jpost is a newspaper that covers world issue, and that grinning picture of Brevik totally offends me, and I hope its true of everyone else in the world.

But how is brevik different from our own grinning Gerald Laughner, the fellow that tried and fell a little short of totally killing congresswoman Gabby Giffort. After that grinning Gerald more than made up for his failures, by killing an innocent 8 years old girl, a GOP aligned Federal Judge, plus he killed and wounded many more for the sin of happening to be in the vicinity. As pictures of Grinning Gerald sicken and offend me no more or no less that a grinning Brevik. Or for that matter, a long line of similar psychopaths whom plague every society in the longer course of human history.

But what, IMHO is particularly offensive about a grinning Gerald and a grinning Brevik that us humans waste a single second stroking their ego's, as those grinning Psychopaths refuse to be declared legally insane, and instead refuse to categorized as insane. Because then they are by default sane, ration, and therefore unappreciated national patriots in their own eyes.

As I ask, why waste a single second in a pissing contest between drips on pressure experts on sanity in the legal community that only stokes the egos of grinning psychopaths.

As I argue, don't feed their ego's, just send them to a jail or a very secure mental institution, and throw away the key. And as the days turn into months, and the months turn into years, and the years are numbered to the rest of their life, their ego will no longer matter as they become a just a rather rotten footnote in history. As the next time they make world news will be on the day of their death. Meanwhile their self serving ego's will not trouble us a bit, as meanwhile they can grin or frown totally forgotten.
 
woolfe9999 said:
The legal definition of insanity in Norway is very different from the U.S. Here, it means either being unable to appreciate the nature of your actions (i.e. crushing someone's skull but thinking you're crushing an orange) or not understanding that your actions are morally wrong under societal standards.

In Norway, it's clinically determined. If psychiatric experts say the defendant is insane, then he is insane for purposes of the legal process. However, you don't get off on an insanity plea there. You can actually serve more time if deemed insane than if you weren't. Also, I think the term they use is "psychotic" (or the Norwegian translation of it) rather than insane. That is because "insane" has no set definition in society but psychosis is a more specific concept that does have a clinical definition.
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This is an amazing reply, thank you.
 
Texashiker said:
Should Cortez be considered insane for what he did to the native americans in Mexico?
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Gonna have to call you on this.

Cortez was responsible for the downfall of the Aztec's but that does not mean he hated the natives. The Aztec culture was one based on human sacrifice to their so called "gods". Cortez's conquest of the Aztecs was assisted be several other tribes who were tired of having their people taken to be slaughtered.
 
Lemon law said:
Well, one thing for sure, if Brevik wanted to ignite racial tensions in Norway, he was a epic failure. And we might say the same thing about our Gerald Laugner.

But there is one characteristic that is shared in common by the sane and insane, and that is to evaluate the world by a single issue. Its why we can have a Cary Nation smashing up Saloons because alcohol is the root of evil, various religious figures advocating we murder all Gays, the list is endless in all human societies.

As the more "normal" people evaluate the world by many conflicting considerations.
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Honestly, what on earth do you know of ethnic tensions in Norway?
 
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