If a tree falls in the forest...

[SagaLore]

If a binary tree falls into a data structure, but the function is void, does it return null?

 

[Kwaipie]

Originally posted by: ViviTheMage

Originally posted by: Atheus
Sound is a pressure wave which exists regardless of whether anyone detects it.

qft

I would say that the pressure wave is not the sound, rather the medium or means of transmission. A television signal is not a television program until it is received by the set and converted into a picture. You can't stand next to a radio tower and say you're listening to music unless you have a radio.

 

[Googer]

Originally posted by: Atheus
Sound is a pressure wave which exists regardless of whether anyone detects it.

:thumbsup:

And they may be of a frequency that is inaudible to humans.

 

[eLiu]

Originally posted by: Tiamat

Originally posted by: Rastus
Since it is in a forest, the forest is the receiver.

Now, if a tree falls in a vacuum....

now thats fscked up. Try picturing a tree falling in a vacuum where there is no sense of direction... One could argue that the tree is not falling, but the observer is rising or spinning.

Because there is no gravity in a vacuum... right.

If there were trees on say, the moon... and one of them fell, it would not be as if the observer were rising/spinning. No

 

[Googer]

Originally posted by: eLiu

Originally posted by: Tiamat

Originally posted by: Rastus
Since it is in a forest, the forest is the receiver.

Now, if a tree falls in a vacuum....

now thats fscked up. Try picturing a tree falling in a vacuum where there is no sense of direction... One could argue that the tree is not falling, but the observer is rising or spinning.

Because there is no gravity in a vacuum... right.

If there were trees on say, the moon... and one of them fell, it would not be as if the observer were rising/spinning. No

There is gravity in a vacuum. Space is near a vacuum and objects are constantly pulled in twords the earth, sun, moon, or any other large object. Another example is a light bulb, it is a vacuum and when the tungsten filament burns out it will sometimes fall to the bottom the bulb

 

[swimscubasteve]

Originally posted by: Kwaipie

Originally posted by: ViviTheMage

Originally posted by: Atheus
Sound is a pressure wave which exists regardless of whether anyone detects it.

qft

I would say that the pressure wave is not the sound, rather the medium or means of transmission. A television signal is not a television program until it is received by the set and converted into a picture. You can't stand next to a radio tower and say you're listening to music unless you have a radio.

Radio towers don't emit sound.

You need to go study and stop posting.

 

[Kwaipie]

Originally posted by: swimscubasteve

Originally posted by: Kwaipie

Originally posted by: ViviTheMage

Originally posted by: Atheus
Sound is a pressure wave which exists regardless of whether anyone detects it.

qft

I would say that the pressure wave is not the sound, rather the medium or means of transmission. A television signal is not a television program until it is received by the set and converted into a picture. You can't stand next to a radio tower and say you're listening to music unless you have a radio.

Radio towers don't emit sound.

You need to go study and stop posting.

Excuse me?

Are you stretching out your ePenis for all to see? I've done nothing to you to warrant a rude comment. 10 years as a sonar technician in the Navy, I think I know a thing or two about sound. I admit my radio tower statement was flawed, but I encourage you to start warming up your insult-o-meter, as tomorrow I'll be asking another Zen Question.

Have a pleasant day.

 

[Googer]

Originally posted by: Kwaipie

Originally posted by: swimscubasteve

Originally posted by: Kwaipie

Originally posted by: ViviTheMage

Originally posted by: Atheus
Sound is a pressure wave which exists regardless of whether anyone detects it.

qft

I would say that the pressure wave is not the sound, rather the medium or means of transmission. A television signal is not a television program until it is received by the set and converted into a picture. You can't stand next to a radio tower and say you're listening to music unless you have a radio.

Radio towers don't emit sound.

You need to go study and stop posting.

Excuse me?

Are you stretching out your ePenis for all to see? I've done nothing to you to warrant a rude comment. 10 years as a sonar technician in the Navy, I think I know a thing or two about sound. I admit my radio tower statement was flawed, but I encourage you to start warming up your insult-o-meter, as tomorrow I'll be asking another Zen Question.

Have a pleasant day.

Damn no wonder our sub hit the small Japaneese fishing boat Ehime Maru, Kwaipie was the sonar tech!

I second swimscubasteve's notion that Kwaipie should stop posting.




EDIT: I want to say thank you for your service.

 

[MotionMan]

It depends on your definition of "sound":

Is it something that is heard or something that could have been heard?

Once you decide on the definition, then you have your answer.

MotionMan

 

[DrPizza]

Originally posted by: eLiu

Originally posted by: Tiamat

Originally posted by: Rastus
Since it is in a forest, the forest is the receiver.

Now, if a tree falls in a vacuum....

now thats fscked up. Try picturing a tree falling in a vacuum where there is no sense of direction... One could argue that the tree is not falling, but the observer is rising or spinning.

Because there is no gravity in a vacuum... right.

If there were trees on say, the moon... and one of them fell, it would not be as if the observer were rising/spinning. No

The tree wouldn't be able to fall on the moon unless it was wearing "heavy boots" - otherwise, it'd just kinda float there.

 

[91TTZ]

Originally posted by: DrPizza

Originally posted by: eLiu

Originally posted by: Tiamat

Originally posted by: Rastus
Since it is in a forest, the forest is the receiver.

Now, if a tree falls in a vacuum....

now thats fscked up. Try picturing a tree falling in a vacuum where there is no sense of direction... One could argue that the tree is not falling, but the observer is rising or spinning.

Because there is no gravity in a vacuum... right.

If there were trees on say, the moon... and one of them fell, it would not be as if the observer were rising/spinning. No

The tree wouldn't be able to fall on the moon unless it was wearing "heavy boots" - otherwise, it'd just kinda float there.

The tree on the moon is a hoax.

 

[Howard]

Originally posted by: Tiamat

Originally posted by: Rastus
Since it is in a forest, the forest is the receiver.

Now, if a tree falls in a vacuum....

now thats fscked up. Try picturing a tree falling in a vacuum where there is no sense of direction... One could argue that the tree is not falling, but the observer is rising or spinning.

There can definitely be a sense of direction (reference points) in a vacuum.

 

[Googer]

What if the tree fell in the woods and Helen Keller was in the vicinity? Did it fall?

 

[jadinolf]

Originally posted by: Kwaipie
I contend that if nobody is there to hear it, it doesn't make a sound.

Sound requires three things.

Source, medium, receiver.

Is this correct?

Yes .

 

[Rubycon]

Originally posted by: Googer
Another example is a light bulb, it is a vacuum and when the tungsten filament burns out it will sometimes fall to the bottom the bulb

Light bulbs are not a vacuum environment.

 

[Dumac]

Sound is a disturbance of mechanical energy that propagates through matter as a wave. Even if there is no human to percieve it, the sound wave should theoretically be made.

However, the question is moot.

 

[flunky nassau]

You know what? I've also reached the conclusion that if no one/nothing is there is hear it, it doesn't make a sound.

Does the tree falling cause displacement of air molecules into a wave-like pattern? Yes.

But remember, "sound" is only our brain's interpretation of the wave-like pattern. Sound requires specialized receptors to translate those vibrations into "sound."

So, what if a beetle nearby has receptors that pick up the waves, but instead, it sees flashing lights instead. It didn't hear a "sound" but saw flashing lights.

So if a tree falls in the forest & no one "hears" it, then no, it doesn't make a sound (in the sensory sense).

 

[Dumac]

Originally posted by: flunky nassau
You know what? I've also reached the conclusion that if no one/nothing is there is hear it, it doesn't make a sound.

Does the tree falling cause displacement of air molecules into a wave-like pattern? Yes.

But remember, "sound" is only our brain's interpretation of the wave-like pattern. Sound requires specialized receptors to translate those vibrations into "sound."

So, what if a beetle nearby has receptors that pick up the waves, but instead, it sees flashing lights instead. It didn't hear a "sound" but saw flashing lights.

So if a tree falls in the forest & no one "hears" it, then no, it doesn't make a sound (in the sensory sense).

But scientists and engineers use the term sound for high and low frequency vibrations that can't even be heard by the human ear. Hearing is just our perception of sound; sound can be independent from the perception.

 

[MotionMan]

Originally posted by: flunky nassau
You know what? I've also reached the conclusion that if no one/nothing is there is hear it, it doesn't make a sound.

Does the tree falling cause displacement of air molecules into a wave-like pattern? Yes.

But remember, "sound" is only our brain's interpretation of the wave-like pattern. Sound requires specialized receptors to translate those vibrations into "sound."

So, what if a beetle nearby has receptors that pick up the waves, but instead, it sees flashing lights instead. It didn't hear a "sound" but saw flashing lights.

So if a tree falls in the forest & no one "hears" it, then no, it doesn't make a sound (in the sensory sense).

So if the tree falls a mile away from me, did it not make a sound until I hear it a few seconds after it fell?

MotionMan

 

[flunky nassau]

Originally posted by: Dumac

Originally posted by: flunky nassau
You know what? I've also reached the conclusion that if no one/nothing is there is hear it, it doesn't make a sound.

Does the tree falling cause displacement of air molecules into a wave-like pattern? Yes.

But remember, "sound" is only our brain's interpretation of the wave-like pattern. Sound requires specialized receptors to translate those vibrations into "sound."

So, what if a beetle nearby has receptors that pick up the waves, but instead, it sees flashing lights instead. It didn't hear a "sound" but saw flashing lights.

So if a tree falls in the forest & no one "hears" it, then no, it doesn't make a sound (in the sensory sense).

But scientists and engineers use the term sound for high and low frequency vibrations that can't even be heard by the human ear. Hearing is just our perception of sound; sound can be independent from the perception.

So the question is flawed?

 

[MotionMan]

Originally posted by: flunky nassau

Originally posted by: Dumac

Originally posted by: flunky nassau
You know what? I've also reached the conclusion that if no one/nothing is there is hear it, it doesn't make a sound.

Does the tree falling cause displacement of air molecules into a wave-like pattern? Yes.

But remember, "sound" is only our brain's interpretation of the wave-like pattern. Sound requires specialized receptors to translate those vibrations into "sound."

So, what if a beetle nearby has receptors that pick up the waves, but instead, it sees flashing lights instead. It didn't hear a "sound" but saw flashing lights.

So if a tree falls in the forest & no one "hears" it, then no, it doesn't make a sound (in the sensory sense).

But scientists and engineers use the term sound for high and low frequency vibrations that can't even be heard by the human ear. Hearing is just our perception of sound; sound can be independent from the perception.

So the question is flawed?

No, it is a matter of interpretation of what the term "sound" means:

Originally posted by: MotionMan
It depends on your definition of "sound":

Is it something that is heard or something that could have been heard?

Once you decide on the definition, then you have your answer.

MotionMan

MotionMan

 

[AkumaX]

chuck norris kicked it down

if chuck norris says it makes a sound, then its a sound of "BOO YA"

 

[SlitheryDee]

Originally posted by: habib89

umm.. a vacuum doesn't mean lack of everything.. well ok, it does, but you can still create a vacuum, say, in a room.. so if you had a sound receiver theoretically hovering in the middle of the vacuum and a tree fell in that room, then the sound receiver would receive nothing

What if the receiver were attached to the tree itself? The tree is just as viable a medium for sound to travel through as the air is.

 

[BooGiMaN]

how do we know the tree actually 'fell'...maybe its just tired and taking a nap

 

[IGBT]

Originally posted by: Atheus
Sound is a pressure wave which exists regardless of whether anyone detects it.

..:thumbsup: