If a place charges $1.00 for delivery do you have to pay tip?

[alkemyst]

Originally posted by: tk149

Originally posted by: Pepsi90919
put down the crack pipe.

Looks like I hit a nerve. Failed the Post Office exam, did ya?

Hey, I hate to break it to you, but there are a lot of people who aren't "go-getters" like you. Some of them just might wind up as delivery guys. So quit acting like you have personal knowledge of every delivery person in the world.

BTW, I always ask the restaurant how long it will take for them to deliver, and they almost always overestimate the time. Smart move on their part, since no one will complain if they're told "1 hour" and the food shows up in 30 minutes, whereas if they said "30 minutes" and the food showed up an hour later, lots of people would be mad.

where do you live? many restaurants here underestimate on busy days....they don't really care if you get pissed or not...they have the francise.

 

[alkemyst]

Originally posted by: ChefJoe

Originally posted by: Thegonagle

Originally posted by: rbloedow
I'm honestly contemplating starting a website called the Pizza Diaries, kinda like a blog for my pizza life, including a breakdown of my tips. That way, you people can see how many people tip higher or lower then you do....

Maybe that'll be my project for this week.

Be sure to collect "demographics." You know what I mean.

I was rocking last night! (Well, I only took 37 deliveries, but that's OK, everybody else who worked the entire shift got between 29 and 33 deliveries, so I still rocked!) I got two tips for more than $10, a couple of $7-8 buckers, and many more for around $5.

My tips (NOT including delivery commission) averaged out to $4 per delivery.

All you cheap-asses owe thanks to the tippers, because THEY keep the delivery people coming in to work every day, delivering hot prepared food INTO THE HOMES AND HOTEL ROOMS of every customer who requests our services.

BTW, I don't work for Domino's, Pizza Hut, or Papa John's.

So the real question is, what were you delivering ? Pizza ? What was the average price of each delivery (so we can get a %)? Only other pizza chains I can think of are gumby's pizza, donatos pizza, litte caesars (no delivery afaik)...

Like I said before (I have never delivered pizza)...rating your tip on the food item is insane....whether you ordered a $9 pizza or a $50 filet, the guy has to drive and do the same thing....it's not a 'waiting' service with delivery. Personally I tip a minimum of $5, but for the average order for 2 most delivery guys would be happy with $3. I think 'fair' tips are $1-$2 per person eating....forget percentage basing on delivery.

You are single, ordering a pizza $1 (I'd still do $5)....you and your roomie/SO eating $2.....got four people over $4, have a party (10+ and a $100+ order, $1 each)....

 

[Thegonagle]

It's not a chain, but it is pizza (and hoagies and vasrious side items). The owner only has 3 restaurants.

A quick guestimate puts my tips at around 15-20% of sales, but I don't really remember what my sales were.

 

[0roo0roo]

yes, you tip. the only place i don't tip is starbucks. dude..they charge enough for their coffee, and its not like they clear my plates or stuff.

 

[Jadow]

if a place charges for delivery I don't tip. It's not because I'm cheap, I just choose not to pay twice for delivery.

 

[Ness]

Originally posted by: alkemyst

Originally posted by: Zenmervolt

Originally posted by: alkemyst
in a service industry a tip is expected...it's their wage .... in a non-service industry phone guy, cable guy, etc tips are extra.

You waiter makes usually less than half minimum wage....if he was busting his rear to give you extraordinary service for that 15% then the other 10 tables he is handling suffer and he get's 15% of a $40 bill for an hour + his $2-$3 bux per hour.

Sure in a high star restaurant I have my own private waiter (or two)....but the average Chili's/Bennigan's/Outback/Red Lobster/etc waiter/ess is waiting on 10+ tables a night.

You go though, Daddy Warbucks.

They make minimum wage. If their tips plus base pay don't add up to minimu wage, their employer is required by law to make up the difference for that pay period. So it's not as though they would only make $3 per hour is no-one tipped them. That's just a common fallacy among people who are too busy being "socially aware" to have a clue. They may well be dis-satisfied with their position and their place, but that's not my problem.

ZV

Do you have a copy of the law that requires an employer to "make up the difference"? I am banking you are right, however, I don't see why an employer should make up the difference esp if no one decided to tip.

I am not in the service industry so I am curious.

Besides it all is minium wage really fair?

http://www.dol.gov/elaws/faq/esa/flsa/002.htm

straight from the department of labor.

 

[alkemyst]

employee customarily and regularly receives more than $30 a month in tips

This is where the gray area comes in. It's pretty hard to prove your tip on a cash deal.

Also you'd have to take that employer to court + most teenager's that are delivering have no idea.

 

[Ness]

Originally posted by: alkemyst
employee customarily and regularly receives more than $30 a month in tips

This is where the gray area comes in. It's pretty hard to prove your tip on a cash deal.

Also you'd have to take that employer to court + most teenager's that are delivering have no idea.

Say a pizza driver works every day of the average month.... 30 days. Say, at the bare MINIMUM, they get to keep the change (because they don't carry change) as a tip. I would think they could make a dollar a day in "tips". one dollar a day for 30 days is considered 30 dollars in tips a month. Now, take the reality into account, that at least one person is going to tip AT LEAST a dollar. Even in a pessimistic reality, 30 dollars from tips a month is hard NOT to accomplish. It is my assumption that when you leave, you will be coming back with no pizza and some cash, and expected to have a certain amount of cash. Anything over that amount is yours. To be perfectly honest (in a total non-arguing way) I don't see how that's such a grey area. So at an absolute bare minimum, the pizza driver is making minimum wage, no matter if they are being paid a wait staff wage or a normal wage.

Even still, you wouldn't have to take them to court. You'd file a complaint, the records would be reviewed, the end. Records are records. You probably wouldn't even have to be present for anything but the filing to get your money. Matters of wage disputes are handled by the department of labor, you wouldn't have to privately seek an attorney unless the DOL's research is inconclusive.

 

[alkemyst]

Ness what records will get reviewed though as far as tips esp a restaurant that doesn't take credit card?

The DOL will have nothing to review. I am not trying to get into a pissing match, but I have not heard of any restaurant making a bad week into minimum wage hours.

 

[cavemanmoron]

Originally posted by: Chaotic42

Originally posted by: WayneTeK
yeah you should... the cost of $1.00 is to compensate for the high fuel prices.

What high fuel prices?

>??

Gasoline is like $1.75 for 87 octane,that seems High to me..

It should be,$1.00 per gallon for 93 octane!,and diesel oughta be $1.00 also,per gallon! with the
road taxes,and home heating oil should be 70 cents a gallon delivered!

sad,but not likely.

 

[moonshinemadness]

Originally posted by: Chaotic42

Originally posted by: WayneTeK
yeah you should... the cost of $1.00 is to compensate for the high fuel prices.

What high fuel prices?

High Fuel Prices??? You dont know the MEANING of high fuel prices, try living in the UK!!!

 

[Ness]

Originally posted by: alkemyst
Ness what records will get reviewed though as far as tips esp a restaurant that doesn't take credit card?

The DOL will have nothing to review. I am not trying to get into a pissing match, but I have not heard of any restaurant making a bad week into minimum wage hours.

All companies keep a record of weekly labor by employee. It's not a matter of "do they make enough tips" because as I stated before, $30/month is easy. People are still required to report tips to an employer because that is taxable income and should show up on a W-2 form come tax time. If that information isn't collected by the employer then they are in a serious risk of getting the shaft from some angry employee. Ideally, you could say that one week you didn't receive a single tip, and your employer would be required to pay the difference between the wait staff min. and the regular min. They have no record of you having tips either.

It's not a matter of where the money is coming from, it's a matter of keeping the records. I can tell you for fact (Unless you recieve a hand-written paycheck) that any corporate office (or the paycheck institution that your company uses) could probably tell you how many hours you worked everyday for the year, if not since the day you've been employed.

 

[911paramedic]

Originally posted by: mugsywwiii

Originally posted by: WayneTeK
damn.. i feel cheap.. i usually only tip the guy $1.00 or at most $2.00...

well, you gotta cut corners somewhere when you own a brand spanking new G35 coupe...

Do you realize how much of an ass that makes you sound like?

 

[0roo0roo]

Originally posted by: cavemanmoron

Originally posted by: Chaotic42

Originally posted by: WayneTeK
yeah you should... the cost of $1.00 is to compensate for the high fuel prices.

What high fuel prices?

>??

Gasoline is like $1.75 for 87 octane,that seems High to me..

It should be,$1.00 per gallon for 93 octane!,and diesel oughta be $1.00 also,per gallon! with the
road taxes,and home heating oil should be 70 cents a gallon delivered!

sad,but not likely.

you don't live in california do u. 1.75... i wish.

 

[alkemyst]

Originally posted by: ness1469

Originally posted by: alkemyst
Ness what records will get reviewed though as far as tips esp a restaurant that doesn't take credit card?

The DOL will have nothing to review. I am not trying to get into a pissing match, but I have not heard of any restaurant making a bad week into minimum wage hours.

All companies keep a record of weekly labor by employee. It's not a matter of "do they make enough tips" because as I stated before, $30/month is easy. People are still required to report tips to an employer because that is taxable income and should show up on a W-2 form come tax time. If that information isn't collected by the employer then they are in a serious risk of getting the shaft from some angry employee. Ideally, you could say that one week you didn't receive a single tip, and your employer would be required to pay the difference between the wait staff min. and the regular min. They have no record of you having tips either.

It's not a matter of where the money is coming from, it's a matter of keeping the records. I can tell you for fact (Unless you recieve a hand-written paycheck) that any corporate office (or the paycheck institution that your company uses) could probably tell you how many hours you worked everyday for the year, if not since the day you've been employed.

You are thinking in terms of places like Dominoes and organized franchises....many people work for a mom and pop delivery company....I never told my employer my tips at the end of the night so the only record my employer would have is 20 hours or so per week. Also the whole reporting tip thing is really sketchy, why not as a driver I just say I got no tip or just a quarter? short of calling everyone there is no way they can verify....esp if you got all the drivers in on it. For the most part all wait/delivery staff were making more than minimum wage but it's really based on a 4 hour day so what sounds like a lot of money isnt.

I also have never seen a terrible delivery guy get his pay made minimum wage to compensate, they just get fired and sent packing....maybe it's changed now though, i delivered in 1989-1991/2 or so.

That G35 comment is idiotic...probably a joke (I hope), but I have been stiffed and it went down like that "sorry we can't afford a tip this time we just: had a new Roof put on/bought a boat/got the kids braces/etc" They can always afford to order out though

 

[malbojah]

Originally posted by: Thegonagle
Yes, you still need to tip. Do you think the driver gets that entire dollar that you paid to the store? It's probably 25 to 75 cents per delivery, if not something lame like 20 cents per mile.

And if it did, is a dollar adequate compensation for the driver when they make 3-6 deliveries per hour--6 per hour only happens when its extremely busy--and only get paid minimum wage to drive their own vehicle, which must be full of gas, insured, and well maintained enough to be dependable?

I'll give you a hint: It's not. Tip the delivery driver, and tip him well. He/she works harder than you may realize, and his/her expenses are substantial.

If you're too cheap to tip, please order it for pick-up.

6 per hour?? Damn, me and the owner were doing about 8-9 per hour last night

Got our butts kicked, and almost did as much as was done for inside business

 

[tk149]

Originally posted by: alkemyst
where do you live? many restaurants here underestimate on busy days....they don't really care if you get pissed or not...they have the francise.

Downtown Chicago. Lots of competition. And, yeah, I tip more on Weekend nights 'cuz traffic is horrendous.

 

[alkemyst]

Originally posted by: malbojah
6 per hour?? Damn, me and the owner were doing about 8-9 per hour last night

Got our butts kicked, and almost did as much as was done for inside business

hmmm every night? how many driver's on staff?

I worked for a pretty popular chinese food place, usually one guy got on at 3pm (suck shift, maybe 1-2 orders until 5pm), 1-3 more guys got in at 5 depending on the day and then on a friday / saturday / busy holiday another 1-2 at 7pm...total of 5 guys on at the most. Usually 1-2 guys got sent home between 9-10 and the rest but 1 at 11ish unless it was still busy....1 guy stayed until 1am/2am on the weekends (another suck shift, maybe 1-2 orders from 11pm/12pm-> plus most of the time the restaurant tried to get BS work out of the drivers like cleaning and dishes....me, my brother and my best friend were the top 3 drivers so protested that....#1 reason) we were handling delivery/food, it's unhealthy to be cleaning and washing dishes the same time you have deliveries going.

On a great night 20-30 deliveries was a good number to hit....maybe averaged out to 5-7 per hour, normally you should have about $40-$60 bucks in tips based on that ($2 per order roughly the tip + the quarter (or 50 cent per delivery))...now if you got lucky maybe a couple $5-10 (or $20-40) tips were thrown in...now what really sucks is you had a busy as hell night, maybe 40 houses and you end up with $40.....the worst was one driver started with a $20 tip for the first house and got stiffed or change for the next 20 all night.....he made like $25 or something (I forget exactly, but it ended up being his worst night)...

Monday nights working usually sucked, Tuesdays were ok if only 1-2 guys working, Wednesday and Thursdays were bad.....so it was hoping you got a good Friday and Saturday to make your bills and have a little to go out with....depending on the Sunday it could be busy or dead.

 

[acemcmac]

Originally posted by: mugsywwiii

Originally posted by: WayneTeK
damn.. i feel cheap.. i usually only tip the guy $1.00 or at most $2.00...

well, you gotta cut corners somewhere when you own a brand spanking new G35 coupe...

Do you realize how much of an ass that makes you sound like?

Fvck that... I'm such a penny pinching biatch, I'll tip a delivery boy $100 before I even consider shelling out a penny more than one of my classic "cheap dates for ungrateful, undeserving biatches" TM

 

[malbojah]

Originally posted by: alkemyst

Originally posted by: malbojah
6 per hour?? Damn, me and the owner were doing about 8-9 per hour last night

Got our butts kicked, and almost did as much as was done for inside business

hmmm every night? how many driver's on staff?

I worked for a pretty popular chinese food place, usually one guy got on at 3pm (suck shift, maybe 1-2 orders until 5pm), 1-3 more guys got in at 5 depending on the day and then on a friday / saturday / busy holiday another 1-2 at 7pm...total of 5 guys on at the most. Usually 1-2 guys got sent home between 9-10 and the rest but 1 at 11ish unless it was still busy....1 guy stayed until 1am/2am on the weekends (another suck shift, maybe 1-2 orders from 11pm/12pm-> plus most of the time the restaurant tried to get BS work out of the drivers like cleaning and dishes....me, my brother and my best friend were the top 3 drivers so protested that....#1 reason) we were handling delivery/food, it's unhealthy to be cleaning and washing dishes the same time you have deliveries going.

On a great night 20-30 deliveries was a good number to hit....maybe averaged out to 5-7 per hour, normally you should have about $40-$60 bucks in tips based on that ($2 per order roughly the tip + the quarter (or 50 cent per delivery))...now if you got lucky maybe a couple $5-10 (or $20-40) tips were thrown in...now what really sucks is you had a busy as hell night, maybe 40 houses and you end up with $40.....the worst was one driver started with a $20 tip for the first house and got stiffed or change for the next 20 all night.....he made like $25 or something (I forget exactly, but it ended up being his worst night)...

Monday nights working usually sucked, Tuesdays were ok if only 1-2 guys working, Wednesday and Thursdays were bad.....so it was hoping you got a good Friday and Saturday to make your bills and have a little to go out with....depending on the Sunday it could be busy or dead.

Just me officially. But the owner will try to help out if it gets a little too busy. And if it is busy (40+) deliveries for a full day and night shift, nothing short of $120 in tips will make me happy

 

[Thegonagle]

Originally posted by: malbojah

Originally posted by: Thegonagle
Yes, you still need to tip. Do you think the driver gets that entire dollar that you paid to the store? It's probably 25 to 75 cents per delivery, if not something lame like 20 cents per mile.

And if it did, is a dollar adequate compensation for the driver when they make 3-6 deliveries per hour--6 per hour only happens when its extremely busy--and only get paid minimum wage to drive their own vehicle, which must be full of gas, insured, and well maintained enough to be dependable?

I'll give you a hint: It's not. Tip the delivery driver, and tip him well. He/she works harder than you may realize, and his/her expenses are substantial.

If you're too cheap to tip, please order it for pick-up.

6 per hour?? Damn, me and the owner were doing about 8-9 per hour last night

Got our butts kicked, and almost did as much as was done for inside business

I'm sure I've done a few more than that during certain specific hours, if they route well, but on my most productive night yet at my new restaurant, I took 57 deliveries over 9 and a half hours, an average of 6 per hour. With delivery commission, I took home $240, woot! It's not totally fun working that hard though.

 

[malbojah]

Originally posted by: Thegonagle

Originally posted by: malbojah

Originally posted by: Thegonagle
Yes, you still need to tip. Do you think the driver gets that entire dollar that you paid to the store? It's probably 25 to 75 cents per delivery, if not something lame like 20 cents per mile.


I'll give you a hint: It's not. Tip the delivery driver, and tip him well. He/she works harder than you may realize, and his/her expenses are substantial.

6 per hour?? Damn, me and the owner were doing about 8-9 per hour last night

Got our butts kicked, and almost did as much as was done for inside business

I'm sure I've done a few more than that during certain specific hours, if they route well, but on my most productive night yet at my new restaurant, I took 57 deliveries over 9 and a half hours, an average of 6 per hour. With delivery commission, I took home $240, woot! It's not totally fun working that hard though.

My expenses are this: GAS

My boss owns the cars and takes care of the repairs and the purchase of the vehicles. And you know what... I ain't complaing one bit (except that that cars are currently Ford Aspires )

 

[Pepsi90919]

Originally posted by: tk149

Originally posted by: Pepsi90919
put down the crack pipe.

Looks like I hit a nerve. Failed the Post Office exam, did ya?

Hey, I hate to break it to you, but there are a lot of people who aren't "go-getters" like you. Some of them just might wind up as delivery guys. So quit acting like you have personal knowledge of every delivery person in the world.

BTW, I always ask the restaurant how long it will take for them to deliver, and they almost always overestimate the time. Smart move on their part, since no one will complain if they're told "1 hour" and the food shows up in 30 minutes, whereas if they said "30 minutes" and the food showed up an hour later, lots of people would be mad.

any time now would be good.

 

[Thegonagle]

Originally posted by: malbojah

My expenses are this: GAS

My boss owns the cars and takes care of the repairs and the purchase of the vehicles. And you know what... I ain't complaing one bit (except that that cars are currently Ford Aspires )

That's a damn good deal! I honestly wouldn't be complaining if if they gave me a freaking Pinto to drive!

 

[malbojah]

Originally posted by: Thegonagle

Originally posted by: malbojah

My expenses are this: GAS

My boss owns the cars and takes care of the repairs and the purchase of the vehicles. And you know what... I ain't complaing one bit (except that that cars are currently Ford Aspires )

That's a damn good deal! I honestly wouldn't be complaining if if they gave me a freaking Pinto to drive!

I should add that I pay for all the audio equipment in the cars if they don;t come with anything (not that I'm putting all that much into the car - $150 max for radio and speakers).

I am trying to convince the boss to get a Geo Tracker removeable hardtop for the next car, as one of the Ford's is suffering serious tranny problems that he doesn't want to repair (car already has 130k miles, who knew a Ford could last that long ). But finding a Tarcker as a 2 wheel drive automatic is hard to do as he won't go for the 4x4 (I've already told him I'd take all the dirt roads in town )