If a murderer is obviously guilty why would anyone be opposed to the death penalty?

[BDawg]

Originally posted by: feralkid
">there level? the justice system in this country is a joke in this country becasue we have this mindset that mind set, the jails in this country are like a 4 star hotel, maybe if we start treating the criminals like animals they wont act like animals"<




Who could possibly argue with that?😀

Treating humans as animals is wrong, no matter who they are.

 

[LeStEr]

Originally posted by: murphy55d
I would rather see someone rot in prison for life than fry him. Lifetime solitary confinement and/or hard labor should be the penalty for murder.

I think it is worse punishment. Death would be a release from that, IMO.

I agree. I would rather pay to have someone have a useless rest of their life then just kill them.

 

[Arkitech]

Originally posted by: Xenon
Killing in the name of revenge is just wrong no matter the crime. For the ones you mentioned I'd prefer an 8x8 box with no doors (yes welded shut), a slot for food, 1 sink, 1 toilet. Absolutely no medical attention whatsoever, except for one syringe for the prisoner to take his own life should he find it necessary at some point. That is it. Basically dead to the rest of society.

I still think murderers should be executed. (an eye for an eye) However I'm not opposed to your scenario to how jail time should be served, hell that might be worse than execution. Make the bastards suffer

 

[brunswickite]

Treating humans as animals is wrong, no matter who they are.

hundreds of murderers in jails eating and living better then the poor and homeless is wrong

 

[Arkitech]

Originally posted by: Gobadgrs

Originally posted by: Arkitech
Govenor Ryan of Illinois just recently took 167 inmates off of death row. Among those 167 criminals here are a few of their outstanding crimes -



A woman and her boyfriend lured a 10 year girl into their car. After taking her back to their apartment this little girl was raped with a shoe and a hammer, they later used the same hammer to smash her skull while watching her die.

Another woman and her boyfriend wanted a baby, so they decided to follow pregnant woman home from a doctor's office. They broke into the woman's home and cut the 9 month fetus out of the victims body. To cover up the crime they stabbed the victims children to death aged 5 and 10.

A man and his uncle came up with a scheme to rob people of their valuables. They would pull their vehicles to the side of the road as if they had an accident and wave to the passing traffic for help. When a good samaritan would pull over to assist them one of the men would brandish a shotgun and demand their valuables after which he would take them into a field and murder them. Two of the victims were a recently engaged couple, the man who commited these crimes admitted under oath that he told them to kiss each other goodbye before shooting them to death.

A drunken man in a bar got into an altercation, after being thrown out of the establishment he went home and changed into army fatigues and equipped himself with several guns. He then went back to the bar and killed 4 people and wounded 16 others. During his trial he dared the judge to sentence him to the electric chair boasting that he had no fear of anything.


If a person is convicted of murder and their is no doubt that the person is guilty then they should automatically be terminated. America is one of the few countries where a man can kill people and be convicted and still end up back on the streets or force tax payers to spend their hard earned money on providing him with food, cableTV, a workout program and room and board. Even 3rd world countries have better justice than this.


THIS HAS TO STOP!!!

Where did you get this information.... link for the article?

Try looking under the Chicago SunTimes website, it was front page news for their paper yesterday

 

[feralkid]

Originally posted by: BDawg

Originally posted by: feralkid
">there level? the justice system in this country is a joke in this country becasue we have this mindset that mind set, the jails in this country are like a 4 star hotel, maybe if we start treating the criminals like animals they wont act like animals"<




Who could possibly argue with that?😀

Treating humans as animals is wrong, no matter who they are.

Hey BDawg, You need to turn your sarcasm detector on.

 

[BDawg]

Originally posted by: brunswickite


1) sensless waste? the person killed somone they are a waste to society, they offer nothing

Not every criminal is a waste. Thinking so is a falacy on your part. You've never heard Paul Simon's Songs From the Capeman, have you?

5) again this one is case by case, but i am tlaking bout the obvious here, like the dahmer's the mansons, the unabomber,.. the obvious cases i mentioned but there are more

So you think Dahmer would have been better off being executed by injection than what happened to him?

 

[Arkitech]

Originally posted by: BDawg

Originally posted by: feralkid
">there level? the justice system in this country is a joke in this country becasue we have this mindset that mind set, the jails in this country are like a 4 star hotel, maybe if we start treating the criminals like animals they wont act like animals"<




Who could possibly argue with that?😀

Treating humans as animals is wrong, no matter who they are.

So how should we treat them smartass? Locking a human in a cell is how you would treat an animal, so according to you we should'nt even lock up killers. I bet you support abortion don't you? It would fit in with your backward thinking.

 

[Arkitech]

Originally posted by: feralkid

Originally posted by: BDawg

Originally posted by: feralkid
">there level? the justice system in this country is a joke in this country becasue we have this mindset that mind set, the jails in this country are like a 4 star hotel, maybe if we start treating the criminals like animals they wont act like animals"<




Who could possibly argue with that?😀

Treating humans as animals is wrong, no matter who they are.

Hey BDawg, You need to turn your sarcasm detector on.

I really hope that its sarcasm!

 

[FeathersMcGraw]

Originally posted by: axiom

E) Psychological pleas should lead to the same sentence as a standard plea. Being insane should not guarantee you less jail time.

A long time ago, a friend and I had a discussion where he postulated that the mentally ill are really those who should be executed. After all, if the goal of incarceration is rehabilitation, then wouldn't those be the people who were incapable of being returned to society be the ones that should be removed from it?

That discussion was just a thought experiment, but I think it illustrates the dichotomy between philosophies of rehabilitation and punishment in the justice system.

 

[feralkid]

So how should we treat them smartass? Locking a human in a cell is how you would treat an animal, so according to you we should'nt even lock up killers. I bet you support abortion don't you? It would fit in with your backward thinking.[/quote]



Why would you post this thread, and then call people names and insult them? If you want a fair exchange of ideas, try to remain civilized.

:disgust:

 

[Moonbeam]

we will kill you if you kill. Get the message, stupid?

 

[brunswickite]

Originally posted by: BDawg

Originally posted by: brunswickite


1) sensless waste? the person killed somone they are a waste to society, they offer nothing

Not every criminal is a waste. Thinking so is a falacy on your part. You've never heard Paul Simon's Songs From the Capeman, have you?

5) again this one is case by case, but i am tlaking bout the obvious here, like the dahmer's the mansons, the unabomber,.. the obvious cases i mentioned but there are more

So you think Dahmer would have been better off being executed by injection than what happened to him?

1) once you have murderered someone, i dont bielieve in redemption, its our society who gives these criminals a second chance or even a third chance thinking these people will change, they dont change... if the death penalty was implimented there would be no second chance, and there shouldnt be a second chance.

5) dahmer was an example, and even the murderers in the prison he was in felt he should die, while the justice system served him life. and he wasnt better off, if got the death penalty he would be in the same place is now

 

[jjones]

Yes, the death penalty is barbaric. And the prison system is idiotic. As it stands now, I prefer the death penalty over life in prison. If life in prison actually meant some kind of punishment, such as slave labor, then I would be for life in prison. For those of you that think life in prison is worse than the death penalty, you haven't a clue about what you are talking about. Here's a small clue: how many cons a committing suicide that it's so terrible in there?

 

[brunswickite]

Originally posted by: jjones
Yes, the death penalty is barbaric. And the prison system is idiotic. As it stands now, I prefer the death penalty over life in prison. If life in prison actually meant some kind of punishment, such as slave labor, then I would be for life in prison. For those of you that think life in prison is worse than the death penalty, you haven't a clue about what you are talking about. Here's a small clue: how many cons a committing suicide that it's so terrible in there?

I read that most prisons have better service, more premium channels, and a better continental breakfast then Howard Johnson Hotels

 

[Arkitech]

Originally posted by: feralkid
So how should we treat them smartass? Locking a human in a cell is how you would treat an animal, so according to you we should'nt even lock up killers. I bet you support abortion don't you? It would fit in with your backward thinking.

Why would you post this thread, and then call people names and insult them? If you want a fair exchange of ideas, try to remain civilized.

:disgust:[/quote]

So according to your brand of justice if someone walked in and shot you in the head repeatedly they should not only be spared from execution but they should'nt be locked up either because that would be treating them like an animal.

 

[feralkid]

Originally posted by: Arkitech

Originally posted by: feralkid
So how should we treat them smartass? Locking a human in a cell is how you would treat an animal, so according to you we should'nt even lock up killers. I bet you support abortion don't you? It would fit in with your backward thinking.

Why would you post this thread, and then call people names and insult them? If you want a fair exchange of ideas, try to remain civilized.

:disgust:

So according to your brand of justice if someone walked in and shot you in the head repeatedly they should not only be spared from execution but they should'nt be locked up either because that would be treating them like an animal.[/quote]

What are you talking about...I said to remain civilized (you know, like civil) and stop reverting to insults and name calling. I think you need to track the posts a little more carefully to be aware of whom you are adressing.

 

[BigJ]

Originally posted by: brunswickite

Originally posted by: jjones
Yes, the death penalty is barbaric. And the prison system is idiotic. As it stands now, I prefer the death penalty over life in prison. If life in prison actually meant some kind of punishment, such as slave labor, then I would be for life in prison. For those of you that think life in prison is worse than the death penalty, you haven't a clue about what you are talking about. Here's a small clue: how many cons a committing suicide that it's so terrible in there?

I read that most prisons have better service, more premium channels, and a better continental breakfast then Howard Johnson Hotels

So very true. My dad worked in Rikers Island Correctional Facility for 20 years. This is not a happy place to go to. Maximum security with the meanest SOBs in NY. That was a real prison. The inmates were treated like the dogs they were when the acted like dogs, all rapists, murders, child molesters, were not given tvs, smokes, etc. They made soup in their toilets if meals weren't good enough, if they assaulted the officers, harsh punishments. There was no screwing around in that prison, if there was, I'm sure the cellmates would also take care of you. And if people want to do away with the death penalty, more prisons have to be setup like Rikers and other high security prisons.

My father once told me about a white collar prison upstate. Full cable tv, swimming pools, brand new exercise equipment. Thats what kind of jail sentence you got for twenty years. Not too shabby if you ask me.

 

[BDawg]

Originally posted by: brunswickite

1) once you have murderered someone, i dont bielieve in redemption

Or speeling. 😉

its our society who gives these criminals a second chance or even a third chance thinking these people will change, they dont change... if the death penalty was implimented there would be no second chance, and there shouldnt be a second chance.

I think if you can reform someone and make them productive members of society, you're far better off. Some people are beyond saving, but not everyone is.

 

[brunswickite]

Originally posted by: BDawg

Originally posted by: brunswickite

1) once you have murderered someone, i dont bielieve in redemption

Or speeling. 😉

its our society who gives these criminals a second chance or even a third chance thinking these people will change, they dont change... if the death penalty was implimented there would be no second chance, and there shouldnt be a second chance.

I think if you can reform someone and make them productive members of society, you're far better off. Some people are beyond saving, but not everyone is.

1) pardon the speling, me failed english in publix skool

2) If reform was possible and if criminals did change then i would be against the death penalty, but killers dont change thats the fact behind the matter, most of the time they will probably get off after 20 years and then go kill again. thats what the problem is, if they were getting life in prison and NEVER had a chance of getting out then i would be more accepting of it.

 

[Ornery]

Originally posted by: Mwilding
If you commit murder you have lost your right to live on this planet.

However, I don't believe the state has the right to take your life from you.

Someone has to "push the button" and that in itself is murder.

Where does war fit in your little scheme of things?

 

[jinduy]

assuming that it is indeed a fact that X is a murderer...i think X should receive the death penalty

bottom line is these type of inmates are a huge burden to our economy!

 

[BDawg]

Originally posted by: brunswickite

2) If reform was possible and if criminals did change then i would be against the death penalty, but killers dont change thats the fact behind the matter, most of the time they will probably get off after 20 years and then go kill again. thats what the problem is, if they were getting life in prison and NEVER had a chance of getting out then i would be more accepting of it.

You need to recheck your facts.

 

[sandorski]

There is no need for Capital Punishment.

 

[Gaard]

This thread title doesn't make sense to me. What's the difference between obviously guilty and guilty? Since when are people on trial for murder found to be... "Yeah, we think he's guilty. There's some doubt, but we're going to find him guilty anyways." If a person is found to be guilty of committing murder, there isn't supposed to be any doubt to the contrary.