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IceBergSLiM

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Arkaign said:
Well I've said yes the couple of times I've been searched during the past decade, and been extremely polite and positive with the officers, which seems to disarm them, and after not finding anything of interest, they usually quickly lose interest and move on. Each time I've been with someone who denied a search request, there has been a lot of hostility, the cops trash the car, 2 or 3 more suvs/cars arrive, we have to endure a lot more hassle. Notably, this always seems to be more pronounced when I'm hanging out with my non-white friends.
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I don't believe you.
 
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I'd tell him I just did a cavity search on his wife , so fair is fair.
 
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IceBergSLiM

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Arkaign said:
You don't believe me that cops don't like being told 'no' by average citizens? You must not deal with cops very often :p
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I believe that I just don't believe you've been subject to so many searches. What are the odds? I've had one instance and I was being sketchy as hell when asked.(car full of people late at night throwing fireworks out the window) And they didn't even have to ask as we were already under probable cause for possession of illegal fireworks.
 
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jlee

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IceBergSLiM said:
Then option 2 would still be legit. If you announce you are recording then its not an issue. And if you aren't really recording and just saying that you are its even less an issue. And I'm not sure how those laws extend to private property(your car)
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Notification does not equal permission.

I doubt anyone would have a problem, but you never know.
 
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IceBergSLiM

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jlee said:
Notification does not equal permission.

I doubt anyone would have a problem, but you never know.
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Yes it does. Thats how CC cameras exist on private property. They have to post a sign and if not they have to tell you before recording.
 
Arkaign

Arkaign

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IceBergSLiM said:
I believe that I just don't believe you've been subject to so many searches. What are the odds? I've had one instance and I was being sketchy as hell when asked.(car full of people late at night throwing fireworks out the window)
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Working nights in DFW tends to expose you to the worst combo imaginable, being on the roads at the same time the bars close and on through the boredom hours where the cops have nothing really else to do. Actually now that I think about it, I've never had a cop ask to search my vehicle during the day. It was in a company van that I got cops all over me, of course it looked shady driving a windowless van around at night, but that was the job. Did come with some lol's though.

cop "WHATS ALL THIS CABLE FOR!?"

me "It's network cable sir"

cop "WHATS IT FOR, WHY DO YOU HAVE IT!?!?!?"

me "it's my job, it connects computer networks"

cop "....."
 
Arkaign

Arkaign

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ichy said:
There's the explanation. As I said, don't count on things like "rights" or "The Constitution" in the deep South.
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Hehe, yeah. Honestly though, things have improved a LOT over the past 15 years or so, we've had a series of great police chiefs that have made a huge difference. I honestly think the DPD is one of the best big-city forces in the country at this time. The suburbs are another story (too much boredom time for the officers, too much emphasis on revenue generation).
 
overst33r

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This actually happened to me fairly recently.

I was on my way home from the girlfriend's house at 1AM.

I get pulled over for doing 65 in a 45mph (cop was in a black unmarked car parked on private property without his lights on at the bottom of a downhill section)

He pulls me over and tells me why I got pulled over and proceeds to ask me if I'd ever been pulled over for speeding. I said no. He asked the same question again, with a surprising tone in his voice. Probably because I'm 22 and driving a red Z06.

He goes back to his car. Comes back 5mins later and asks me to step outside of the car slowly and frisks me. Shortly after, he tells me he will give me a warning due to a clean driving record, but asks if he could search my car for drugs and weapons.

At this point I was tired as hell and relieved and ready to go home. Having nothing to hide, I said yes. He searched for a minute and found nothing, so I left.

Now in this situation, if I had said NO to searching my car. He would have probably just wasted my time and his in order to get a warrant or went on the suspicion that a young guy in a sports car at this time of night is probably a "drug dealer".

Either way, choosing to waive my rights and choosing to exercise them would have landed me at the same result. The latter would have just taken forfuckingever.
 
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IceBergSLiM

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If you truly believe all cops are out to get you and will literally trample you and your rights then even the playing and right off the bat tell them your vehicle is equipped with recording equipment that cannot be turned off without an override key. Few officers will be willing to press their luck after this.
 
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mariok2006 said:
This actually happened to me fairly recently.

I was on my way home from the girlfriend's house at 1AM.

I get pulled over for doing 65 in a 45mph (cop was in a black unmarked car parked on private property without his lights on at the bottom of a downhill section)

He pulls me over and tells me why I got pulled over and proceeds to ask me if I'd ever been pulled over for speeding. I said no. He asked the same question again, with a surprising tone in his voice. Probably because I'm 22 and driving a red Z06.

He goes back to his car. Comes back 5mins later and asks me to step outside of the car slowly and frisks me. Shortly after, he tells me he will give me a warning due to a clean driving record, but asks if he could search my car for drugs and weapons.

At this point I was tired as hell and relieved and ready to go home. Having nothing to hide, I said yes. He searched for a minute and found nothing, so I left.

Now in this situation, if I had said NO to searching my car. He would have probably just wasted my time and his in order to get a warrant or went on the suspicion that a young guy in a sports car at this time of night is probably a "drug dealer".

Either way, choosing to waive my rights and choosing to exercise them would have landed me at the same result. The latter would have just taken forfuckingever.
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or it could have landed you a sweet law suit settlement if he couldn't be bothered with warrants.
 
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ichy

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Arkaign said:
Well, I hate to repeat a stereotype, but if you have nothing to hide?
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Because this is America, not Nazi Germany or the USSR. I don't need a reason other than the fact that I don't want someone digging through my property. Also, if people start being aggressive about asserting their rights it might really force law enforcement to throw up their hands and give up on the idiotic, futile and destructive "War on Drugs."

Like I said, I'm realistic enough to know that if I'm in rural Alabama I'd better just STFU and cooperate. Here in Maryland though I'm not going to roll over for somebody who wants to violate my privacy.
 
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mariok2006 said:
Now in this situation, if I had said NO to searching my car. He would have probably just wasted my time and his in order to get a warrant or went on the suspicion that a young guy in a sports car at this time of night is probably a "drug dealer".
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I can't speak for where you live, but any police officer who dared to say something like that in court in Maryland would get his ass handed to him by the judge, followed by an immediate granting of the defense's motion to suppress whatever evidence he found.
 
jlee

jlee

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IceBergSLiM said:
Yes it does. Thats how CC cameras exist on private property. They have to post a sign and if not they have to tell you before recording.
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The statute clearly states permission is required, not notification. The exception for that:

II. It shall not be unlawful under this chapter for:

(j) A uniformed law enforcement officer to make an audio recording in conjunction with a video recording of a routine stop performed in the ordinary course of patrol duties on any way as defined by RSA 259:125, provided that the officer shall first give notification of such recording to the party to the communication.
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There is no exception permitting a private party to record audio with notification, not consent, of all parties involved. It may fly in NH given that it's in a private vehicle, but I wouldn't want to be the one to try it.

People here seem to forget that not all states have the same laws.
 
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jlee said:
The statute clearly states permission is required, not notification. The exception for that:



There is no exception permitting a private party to record audio with notification, not consent, of all parties involved. It may fly in NH given that it's in a private vehicle, but I wouldn't want to be the one to try it.

People here seem to forget that not all states have the same laws.
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what statue?
 
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