If a certain community within your nation multiplies exponentially...

[daniel49]

braznor:
You gotta love a liberal anarchist like steeple teaching you your own history.
Its what they do best rewriting history

 

[Braznor]

Originally posted by: sandorski

Drop the Propoganda BS already.

I would do so, if you can provide credible, consistent proof contrary to my views.

Stop being the apologist.

 

[Steeplerot]

Originally posted by: daniel49
braznor:
You gotta love a liberal anarchist like steeple teaching you your own history.
Its what they do best rewriting history

Care to point out how the link is wrong?

 

[Steeplerot]

Originally posted by: Braznor

Stop being the apologist.

Then stop blaming the troubles of the world on people you obviously have beef with instead of dealing with reality and get along, that is the only thing that will solve it, stop the propaganda and scapegoating, and forgive and forget, both sides, until then, enjoy the wars it is both sides fault.

 

[sandorski]

Originally posted by: Braznor

Originally posted by: sandorski

Drop the Propoganda BS already.

I would do so, if you can provide credible, consistent proof contrary to my views.

Stop being the apologist.

There are numerous parts of the World dominated by Muslims where no Genocide is taking place.

 

[Steeplerot]

Here is a better link from Harvard, same deal.

 

[Braznor]

Originally posted by: Steeplerot

Originally posted by: Braznor

Stop being the apologist.

Then stop blaming the troubles of the world on people you obviously have beef with instead of dealing with reality and get along, that is the only thing that will solve it, stop the propaganda and scapegoating, and forgive and forget, both sides, until then, enjoy the wars it is both sides fault.

What you are asking here is for me to shut up while the muslims go around pillaging and you go around apologizing. I said it before and say it again that I have no grudges against what happened in the past, I only have beef against what they are doing right now, thanks to the cover provided by you.

remember it takes two hands to clap.

 

[Braznor]

Originally posted by: sandorski

Originally posted by: Braznor

Originally posted by: sandorski

Drop the Propoganda BS already.

I would do so, if you can provide credible, consistent proof contrary to my views.

Stop being the apologist.

There are numerous parts of the World dominated by Muslims where no Genocide is taking place.

Care to point out to me the places?

 

[Steeplerot]

Originally posted by: Braznor

remember it takes two hands to clap.

Yes, and you are a great example of the other side of it with your superiority trip over muslims. Both sides need to chill out and get along, or it will never end, its that simple, its not a religion thing, its that both sides are angry and wont get over themselves and ancient history.

 

[Braznor]

Originally posted by: Steeplerot
Here is a better link from Harvard, same deal.

You would do better to double check your sources before listing them. Here is an extract:

Thinking about Pakistan in the context of path dependence gives us an insight into the current conflict. As a consequence of two-nation theory, the process of nation building in Pakistan was rooted in theocracy. Pakistan?s raison d?être was to be Muslim state. It was really the only significant thing that distinguished it from India. This is at least part of the reason why Pakistan has not become a democracy. Moreover, elements of Pakistan?s elite continue to believe that Pakistan?s boundaries are not what they ought to have been. More precisely, given that Kashmir has a majority Muslim population and borders Pakistan, it is a travesty to the theory of two nations that it remains formally a part of India. Therefore some view Kashmir?s current status as a challenge to the very idea of Pakistan.

Tell me, how different is it from what I have been saying so far?


There is something called shooting yourselves in your own foot, LOL

 

[Braznor]

Originally posted by: Steeplerot

Originally posted by: Braznor

remember it takes two hands to clap.

Yes, and you are a great example of the other side of it with your superiority trip over muslims. Both sides need to chill out and get along, or it will never end, its that simple, its not a religion thing, its that both sides are angry and wont get over themselves and ancient history.

Pakistan sends terrorists to killing and bomb our citizens, Pakistan invaded our nation four times, Pakistani sponsored separatists drove oout a frecking QUARTER MILLION TO HALF MILLION HINDU PANDITS FROM THE KASHMIR VALLEY.

And India has been trying to make peace with Pakistan without success. STFU over chilling out, so long Pakistan does not give up, we see no need to bend our ass to it nor suck upto false peace.

 

[Steeplerot]

Originally posted by: Braznor

Originally posted by: Steeplerot
Here is a better link from Harvard, same deal.

You would do better to double check your sources before listing them. Here is an extract:

Thinking about Pakistan in the context of path dependence gives us an insight into the current conflict. As a consequence of two-nation theory, the process of nation building in Pakistan was rooted in theocracy. Pakistan?s raison d?être was to be Muslim state. It was really the only significant thing that distinguished it from India. This is at least part of the reason why Pakistan has not become a democracy. Moreover, elements of Pakistan?s elite continue to believe that Pakistan?s boundaries are not what they ought to have been. More precisely, given that Kashmir has a majority Muslim population and borders Pakistan, it is a travesty to the theory of two nations that it remains formally a part of India. Therefore some view Kashmir?s current status as a challenge to the very idea of Pakistan.

Tell me, how different is it from what I have been saying so far?


There is something called shooting yourselves in your own foot, LOL

"More precisely, given that Kashmir has a majority Muslim population and borders Pakistan, it is a travesty to the theory of two nations that it remains formally a part of India."


Cultures prefer to be with their own, happens everywhere.

 

[Future Shock]

Braznor,
Thanks for the part credit for this thread, especially as you and I don't always see eye to eye.

Let me try and raise up the level of discussion a bit here. What we are talking about is a fairly RECENT phenomina really - in the past, a growing population of one type would have several limiting factors working against it's unbounded growth:

1) Food and supplies - this has been mitigated by the rise of modern agricultural methods and understandings, and modern trade (including the invention of currency and credit).

2) War - by continually bumping up against and into other populations, and competing with them for resources, it was almost inevitable that the population war would turn into a hot war. The hot war would either declare one of them a winner, or decimate both populations to reduce the tensions. However, in modern times the "porcupine effect" takes hold: two nuclear armed powers simply do not go to war.

3) Emmigration and travel - Today emmigration takes place very easily, which tends to ease the growth limits in one local area, while spreading that population to another area with more room to expand. In the past, such subgroups tended to eventually dis-associate from the original group, usually adapting to the local customs and societies they had entered (or face extinction - see Iceland's history). However, with today's rapid travel and global communications, splinter groups do not assimilate as readily, if at all. Thus, emmigration has turned from a vehicle that would ease the population build-up in previous generations, into one that simply expands the issue to other areas.

Now, we turn to the central question - is one civilization/relgion/etc. superior to another? This almost needs to be a thread in itself...when I get out of work I may try to respond in this thread or another...

Future Shock

 

[Braznor]

Originally posted by: Steeplerot

Originally posted by: Braznor

Originally posted by: Steeplerot
Here is a better link from Harvard, same deal.

You would do better to double check your sources before listing them. Here is an extract:

Thinking about Pakistan in the context of path dependence gives us an insight into the current conflict. As a consequence of two-nation theory, the process of nation building in Pakistan was rooted in theocracy. Pakistan?s raison d?être was to be Muslim state. It was really the only significant thing that distinguished it from India. This is at least part of the reason why Pakistan has not become a democracy. Moreover, elements of Pakistan?s elite continue to believe that Pakistan?s boundaries are not what they ought to have been. More precisely, given that Kashmir has a majority Muslim population and borders Pakistan, it is a travesty to the theory of two nations that it remains formally a part of India. Therefore some view Kashmir?s current status as a challenge to the very idea of Pakistan.

Tell me, how different is it from what I have been saying so far?


There is something called shooting yourselves in your own foot, LOL

"More precisely, given that Kashmir has a majority Muslim population and borders Pakistan, it is a travesty to the theory of two nations that it remains formally a part of India."


Cultures prefer to be with their own, happens everywhere.

So you admit, it is primarily a muslim-hindu issue? so you admit that muslims are intolerant to non muslims?

 

[Steeplerot]

Originally posted by: Braznor

Originally posted by: Steeplerot

Originally posted by: Braznor

Originally posted by: Steeplerot
Here is a better link from Harvard, same deal.

You would do better to double check your sources before listing them. Here is an extract:

Thinking about Pakistan in the context of path dependence gives us an insight into the current conflict. As a consequence of two-nation theory, the process of nation building in Pakistan was rooted in theocracy. Pakistan?s raison d?être was to be Muslim state. It was really the only significant thing that distinguished it from India. This is at least part of the reason why Pakistan has not become a democracy. Moreover, elements of Pakistan?s elite continue to believe that Pakistan?s boundaries are not what they ought to have been. More precisely, given that Kashmir has a majority Muslim population and borders Pakistan, it is a travesty to the theory of two nations that it remains formally a part of India. Therefore some view Kashmir?s current status as a challenge to the very idea of Pakistan.

Tell me, how different is it from what I have been saying so far?


There is something called shooting yourselves in your own foot, LOL

"More precisely, given that Kashmir has a majority Muslim population and borders Pakistan, it is a travesty to the theory of two nations that it remains formally a part of India."


Cultures prefer to be with their own, happens everywhere.

So you admit, it is primarily a muslim-hindu issue?

It is a poorly drawn border by british, yes it is a culture clash, not a religion thing though the differences in religion will be the first thing that ignorant people use to rally themselves to violence and find a excuse to kill over it. Such as yourself pointing out that muslim = inferior.

 

[Braznor]

Originally posted by: Steeplerot

It is a poorly drawn border by british, yes it is a culture clash, not a religion thing though the differences in religion will be the first thing that ignorant people use to rally themselves to violence and find a excuse to kill over it. Such as yourself pointing out that muslim = inferior.

Show me where I told Muslims=inferior.

Violent, yes, intolerant, yer, but inferior?

And oh, It's not just India.

Chechenya, Thailand, Indonesia, Israel every damned place where the islamic population reaches a certain threshold, we begin to have conflicts and apologists like you explain it away as ignorance.

 

[Braznor]

Originally posted by: Future Shock
Braznor,
Thanks for the part credit for this thread, especially as you and I don't always see eye to eye.

Let me try and raise up the level of discussion a bit here. What we are talking about is a fairly RECENT phenomina really - in the past, a growing population of one type would have several limiting factors working against it's unbounded growth:

1) Food and supplies - this has been mitigated by the rise of modern agricultural methods and understandings, and modern trade (including the invention of currency and credit).

2) War - by continually bumping up against and into other populations, and competing with them for resources, it was almost inevitable that the population war would turn into a hot war. The hot war would either declare one of them a winner, or decimate both populations to reduce the tensions. However, in modern times the "porcupine effect" takes hold: two nuclear armed powers simply do not go to war.

3) Emmigration and travel - Today emmigration takes place very easily, which tends to ease the growth limits in one local area, while spreading that population to another area with more room to expand. In the past, such subgroups tended to eventually dis-associate from the original group, usually adapting to the local customs and societies they had entered (or face extinction - see Iceland's history). However, with today's rapid travel and global communications, splinter groups do not assimilate as readily, if at all. Thus, emmigration has turned from a vehicle that would ease the population build-up in previous generations, into one that simply expands the issue to other areas.

Now, we turn to the central question - is one civilization/relgion/etc. superior to another? This almost needs to be a thread in itself...when I get out of work I may try to respond in this thread or another...

Future Shock

You are very welcome, Future Shock,

The thing is that the Islamic community need not depend upon itself to provide food and supplies. They can merrily have all the kids they want and the European superwelfare state provides them the means to support them.

The fight we are discussing here is not an external one, but an internal fight almost to the verge of a civil war where the question of nuclear weapons do not arise. Also the MAD concept followed by the U.S and the Soviet Bloc has been outdated while confronting Islam. Islamists do not care whether they live or die, only that you die. Nukes are very dangerous in their hands. A chief point is the Kargil war fought between India and Pakistan in 1999. The pakistan army invaded India and having lost the war was about to use nukes, before their PM (Nawaz Shrief) begged clinton to bring his own army chief (Musharaff, the head honcho in Pak right now) in line. If this had not happened so, we would have had a full blown nuclear war right now.

Your third point of emmigration is what you described to exactly. Modern means of travel forces the problem to spread to peaceful zones. In Islam, it is even more pronounced because Islam imposes a strict standardization (Arabification) of values and behaviour based on the Koran on all its followers throughout the world and has largely succeeded in doing so.


As for your point whether one civilization is superior to another, I'am looking forward to debating it with you here once you return.

 

[ahurtt]

To the OP. I totally thought this was going to be another illegal Mexican immigration thread.

 

[Braznor]

Originally posted by: ahurtt
To the OP. I totally thought this was going to be another illegal Mexican immigration thread.

Sorry to disappoint you.

A day will come when you consider Mexicans to be your saviours

 

[ahurtt]

Originally posted by: Braznor

Originally posted by: ahurtt
To the OP. I totally thought this was going to be another illegal Mexican immigration thread.

Sorry to disappoint you.

A day will come when you consider Mexicans to be your saviours

What exactly will they be saving me from?

 

[Braznor]

Originally posted by: ahurtt

Originally posted by: Braznor

Originally posted by: ahurtt
To the OP. I totally thought this was going to be another illegal Mexican immigration thread.

Sorry to disappoint you.

A day will come when you consider Mexicans to be your saviours

What exactly will they be saving me from?

It was a joke.

 

[ahurtt]

Originally posted by: Braznor

Originally posted by: ahurtt

Originally posted by: Braznor

Originally posted by: ahurtt
To the OP. I totally thought this was going to be another illegal Mexican immigration thread.

Sorry to disappoint you.

A day will come when you consider Mexicans to be your saviours

What exactly will they be saving me from?

It was a joke.

Ah, ok. I guess the winky face emoticon should have clued me off. I can be dense sometimes. If you had mentioned something about all the guys named Jesus it would have been more evident

 

[LumbergTech]

seriously.what in the world is this? this reminds me of a hitler propoganda thread..

oh no they will out-reproduce us..

that is the most paranoid and delusional concern i have ever seen..

 

[Todd33]

Ya, I'm lost. This thread is about Muslims want to take over the world through reproducing? I that that was the plan of the Mormons?

 

[Braznor]

Originally posted by: LumbergTech
seriously.what in the world is this? this reminds me of a hitler propoganda thread..

oh no they will out-reproduce us..

that is the most paranoid and delusional concern i have ever seen..

Originally posted by: Todd33
Ya, I'm lost. This thread is about Muslims want to take over the world through reproducing? I that that was the plan of the Mormons?

The Algerian President, Boumedienne, in 1974, addressed the United Nations General Assembly and declared unequivocally,

"One day millions of men will leave the southern hemisphere of this planet to burst into the northern one, but not as friends. They will burst in to conquer and they will conquer by populating it with children. Victory will come to us from the wombs of our women."

Enough said, this is what is happening and you people are blind enough to ignore this. The problem is that this danger would span out well over a century, i.e beyond our lifetimes, but it would be minute compared to the march of history and the timeline of that of human civilization. In my nation the Islamic population increased 500% in less than 50 years and by next fifty they would outpopulate us ending our democracy....

Oh sorry,

I must have awoken both of you from your slumber, please go back to sleep.