IE7 Features that should be in Firefox...

[Paul Stamatiou]

http://www.themodwiki.org/forums/viewtopic.php?t=91

There are a few features in IE 7 that I would like to see implemented in firefox.

Tabs have one extra blank tab at the end which you click on the blank one to make a new tab, type in your address and it goes to the site. Another blank tab goes to the right of them again.

Firefox should offer more customization to move around the file...help menu bars.

If firefox doesn't integrate into the new look of windows for longhorn/vista, people will rather use IE just because it looks like it belongs more than firefox.

(I'd also like to note again that Firefox should have integrated torrent downloading.)

 

[Schadenfroh]

It is open source, just write it

 

[akubi]

if you double click in an empty space after the last tab in firefox, it will open up a new tab (or just ctrl-t)
if you middle click on a tab it will close it.

 

[Paul Stamatiou]

Originally posted by: akubi
if you double click in an empty space after the last tab in firefox, it will open up a new tab (or just ctrl-t)
if you middle click on a tab it will close it.

You learn new things everyday... i knew about the middle-clicking but double clicking after the last tab... thats sweet... something I can use on the mac where my logitech keyboard/mouse drivers aren't working just right so I can't middle-click

 

[blurredvision]

Originally posted by: akubi
if you double click in an empty space after the last tab in firefox, it will open up a new tab (or just ctrl-t)
if you middle click on a tab it will close it.

After reading this post here in IE7, I tried these things here, and they work. Double clicking past the small blank tab opened a new tab, and middle clicking on the new tab closed it.

 

[Insomniak]

Um....firefox is pretty much completely skinnable...I don't see why "it looks like it belongs more" is an issue?

 

[igowerf]

I wish the text menus were more customizable in Firefox, but the rest of those issues are pretty easily addressed with extensions and themes.

 

[blurredvision]

Originally posted by: Insomniak
Um....firefox is pretty much completely skinnable...I don't see why "it looks like it belongs more" is an issue?

Don't get your nuts in a tangle. It's obvious that line was directed towards the casual mom and pop users than power users such as the Anandtech clientelle.

 

[Bona Fide]

Open-source > ALL

Except Linux...for the mainstream user, Linux is too unfriendly. Not much compatibility. But anyhow, Firefox is and will always be better than IE in my eyes.

 

[n0cmonkey]

There is good torrent software out there. Firefox shouldn't be doing it. It's an HTTP browser foor crissakes!

The menus are standardized. They're good that way.

If you want an extra tab (what for I'd never know), hit ^T one extra time.

 

[Whitecloak]

maxthon has all these features

 

[n0cmonkey]

Originally posted by: whitecloak
maxthon has all these features

You mean that IE in a sheep's clothing thing?

 

[bersl2]

Originally posted by: Paul Stamatiou
http://www.themodwiki.org/forums/viewtopic.php?t=91

There are a few features in IE 7 that I would like to see implemented in firefox.

Tabs have one extra blank tab at the end which you click on the blank one to make a new tab, type in your address and it goes to the site. Another blank tab goes to the right of them again.

Interesting way of attacking the problem. But is Ctrl-T or double-clicking the tab bar too hard? You can also add a New Tab button anywhere you can put a button.

Firefox should offer more customization to move around the file...help menu bars.

That would be something to suggest for 2.0+. Yes, it would be nice, but it's a minor enhancement to the rest of us; anyone who feels otherwise can implement said functionality themselves.

If firefox doesn't integrate into the new look of windows for longhorn/vista, people will rather use IE just because it looks like it belongs more than firefox.

Again, we might be near 2.0 by the time that becomes necessary. See if someone's thrown it up on Bugzilla as an enhancement. If so, register and vote for it; if not, add it at your leisure.

(I'd also like to note again that Firefox should have integrated torrent downloading.)

I don't understand that one. I understand that on Windows, almost no one invokes BitTorrent directly but through the browser or shell extensions, and I know nobody likes downloading new versions of discrete programs (of course, that's what we have package management systems on Linux for ); but it just seems so... unnecessary and so... buzzwordy. I'm personally much more interested in seeing integrated SVG; 1.1 Full compliance is planned for 1.5. You can see the progress as of 13 May.

I mean, what does integrating a BitTorrent client into the browser accomplish? Integration with the download manager? Is that really that important? Now, allowing SVG to be embedded in (X)HTML will allow for scalable (that's what the 'S' in "SVG" stands for) site layouts that are easier to maintain. There will be no necessity for inflexible raster graphics. Those annoying all-Flash sites will give way to (X)HTML+SVG, for which you can disable SVG, but the browser will still render the (X)HTML elements.

So what problem does integrated BitTorrent solve, eh?

 

[Thyme]

I don't use tabs, but I believe there is a firefox plugin that makes an empty tab.

 

[Nothinman]

If firefox doesn't integrate into the new look of windows for longhorn/vista, people will rather use IE just because it looks like it belongs more than firefox.

Right, because everyone hates WMP, WinAMP, MS Visual Studio, etc because they don't look like "normal" Windows apps.

There is good torrent software out there. Firefox shouldn't be doing it. It's an HTTP browser foor crissakes!

It does FTP already (and gopher I believe) so it's not just an HTTP browser. And some very basic bittorrent functionality probably wouldn't be bad, I could see it integrating with the download manager pretty well actually.

 

[CTho9305]

Based on a review of IE7 beta1 that I read, I cloned a few of the user-visible features for SeaMonkey, and if we decide they're any good they could be in a release as soon as 1.0a (which should happen in a few weeks). None of the things they did are hard to implement (and many of them have significant downsides).

Originally posted by: Nothinman

If firefox doesn't integrate into the new look of windows for longhorn/vista, people will rather use IE just because it looks like it belongs more than firefox.

Right, because everyone hates WMP, WinAMP, MS Visual Studio, etc because they don't look like "normal" Windows apps.

FWIW, I do hateWMP. My version of MS Visual Studio looks like a normal windows app. Winamp makes sense because it does one thing, and it does it unobtrusively. WMP is different and big (and does all sorts of weird crap when you mouse near it). Winamp is different and tiny.

 

[Nothinman]

FWIW, I do hateWMP

I do to, but not because of it's themes.

My version of MS Visual Studio looks like a normal windows app

VS.Net?

 

[CTho9305]

Originally posted by: Nothinman

My version of MS Visual Studio looks like a normal windows app

VS.Net?

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[n0cmonkey]

Originally posted by: Nothinman

If firefox doesn't integrate into the new look of windows for longhorn/vista, people will rather use IE just because it looks like it belongs more than firefox.

Right, because everyone hates WMP, WinAMP, MS Visual Studio, etc because they don't look like "normal" Windows apps.

There is good torrent software out there. Firefox shouldn't be doing it. It's an HTTP browser foor crissakes!

It does FTP already (and gopher I believe) so it's not just an HTTP browser. And some very basic bittorrent functionality probably wouldn't be bad, I could see it integrating with the download manager pretty well actually.

ftp is necessary. bitorrent isn't. It's bloat that doesn't need to be there.

Hell, they could remove the FTP stuff and I'd be fine with it.

 

[Nothinman]

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Yea, starting with VS.Net they changed the UI so that it looks like Office XP.

ftp is necessary. bitorrent isn't. It's bloat that doesn't need to be there.

FTP is not necessary either, people could be told to use a real FTP client just like they currently do with bittorrent.

 

[Bona Fide]

I just use FileZilla for FTP's. Much better IMO.

 

[xtknight]

Why would they want to remove FTP from the browser? Mainstream users aren't going to have a dedicated FTP client, for what that's even worth anyway. Very rarely do you come across a BitTorrent unless you're either:

a) searching for pirated software
b) downloading Linux
c) searching for something extremely rare
d) ???

FTP is very widely used. It's an integral part of the browser.

 

[Nothinman]

FTP is very widely used. It's an integral part of the browser.

And bt is getting more poplular and with a proper setup could replace FTP. Imagine not having to select a FTP mirror, instead connecting to them all via BT simultaneously?

 

[xtknight]

Originally posted by: Nothinman

FTP is very widely used. It's an integral part of the browser.

And bt is getting more poplular and with a proper setup could replace FTP. Imagine not having to select a FTP mirror, instead connecting to them all via BT simultaneously?

Yeah, it sure would be cool, and I hope it happens. But my evil pessimistic side says it won't for at least ten years. Personally though, I've had bad luck with torrents (not like I use them hardly at all). I usually get faster speeds off an OC3 FTP rather than ten cable/dialup users, and with a lot less latency and resources. Then again if the host can't afford top-of-the-line server connections, then BitTorrent could emerge as an effective way of distribution. The file has to start somewhere though. I see a point in adding BitTorrent, but definitely not removing FTP at this point in time.

 

[Nothinman]

But my evil pessimistic side says it won't for at least ten years

Maybe not replace, but they could be run side-by-side right now and I hope mirror managers see this and set it up.

I usually get faster speeds off an OC3 FTP rather than ten cable/dialup users,

That's why the more people you have downloading the file, the better it is, unlike with FTP.

The file has to start somewhere though.

Yes and by making all of the normal FTP servers BT seeds the speeds can be the same or better.