I prefer the tabbing in MyIE2 over FF. If Firefox worked like MyIE2, I would likely switch.
One big thing that annoys me in FF (because I am used to MyIE2) is that in FF I cannot double click on a tab to close it.
One big thing that annoys me in FF (because I am used to MyIE2) is that in FF I cannot double click on a tab to close it.
what I do when patching is to start the proccess, then go do something else.
Take a peak at it now and then to see how it is going and press enter or whatever if it's stopped at a prompt. I'll be over quicker then you think.
Patches are a way of life nowadays, your not going to get out of it by switching to another OS or anything.. Unless it's freedos or something. People just aren't that perfect.
Take a peak at it now and then to see how it is going and press enter or whatever if it's stopped at a prompt. I'll be over quicker then you think.
Patches are a way of life nowadays, your not going to get out of it by switching to another OS or anything.. Unless it's freedos or something. People just aren't that perfect.
draq,
true, patching is a way of life, but if FF will allow me to do less of it, then ill be happy!
true, patching is a way of life, but if FF will allow me to do less of it, then ill be happy!
I love Firefox too. I'm using it right now. It has great popup blocking, tabbed browsing and is very expandable. Mozilla.org put out a patch for the exploit right away and it was an easy install. I can't wait for Firefox 1.0 to come out, hopefully by this fall.
By the way Firefox is v0.9 beta so it hasnt even been officially released . And yes it rocks, the primary issue that others mentioned as well was spyware, HATE IE because of that, had stuff get infected without even clicking on a yes for anything, anyways Firefox is the way to go, wish there was someway I could completely gut IE from windows (winamp and other apps still use it).
. And yes it rocks, the primary issue that others mentioned as well was spyware, HATE IE because of that, had stuff get infected without even clicking on a yes for anything, anyways Firefox is the way to go, wish there was someway I could completely gut IE from windows (winamp and other apps still use it).Do you realize how much regression testing Microsoft has to do against their OS? They can't just make a change to throw it out there. They have to test it against millions of combinations of hardware and software. And that's just for one OS. Now suppose they have to do it for 2k as well as NT. We are talking about possibly billions of combinations. I don't think you you understand the magnitude of testing that goes into a patch. They have teams round the clock working on this. These are real people doing the work not machines and eventually they need rest too. Have a look at some of the Blogs from some of the Microsoft employees post. It really gives a lot of insight into how the company works and the magnitude a simple change can have. Not to mention a lot of them are fun to read too!
How do you propose they email all their customers? Do they have a list of all their customers email addresses? Doubt it. What about people that don't want that email, they'll complain Microsoft is spamming them. They have made very good attempts to setup security newsletters, alerts, and even RSS feeds so users can sign up themselves.
Microsoft has made it very clear on their website about Critical updates and security. Right now it's the top article on the site. And when it's not it has a link directly to the security center on the right hand side of the site saying keep your PC secure. It really can't be any more clear than that. You don't see anything on Red Hat's, Suse, Mandrake, or even Lindows site abut new exploits.
Most users don't even know why they are installing patches. I still have people coming to me at work telling me their machine keeps shutting down on them because they still haven't patched for Sasser or Blaster. The problem is the average user does not care about security. It's not sexy, it's not fun, it's boring to them. And they won't bother paying attention to it until it affects them in some way.
"Do you realize how much regression testing Microsoft has to do against their OS? "
i imagined it would be a whole lot given their user base. youre right, i dont fully understand the magnitude of testing a patch because other software distributers can release patches right away. so, these other vendors might not be testing their patches as thoroughly which might account for the speed at which they hit download sites. but that doesnt mean that a company like MS cant stall or downplay a bug because they want to protect their image. MS has hinted at the secuirty through obscurity model before. MS employee blogs? cool, ill check them out!
"How do you propose they email all their customers? Do they have a list of all their customers email addresses? Doubt it. What about people that don't want that email, they'll complain Microsoft is spamming them. They have made very good attempts to setup security newsletters, alerts, and even RSS feeds so users can sign up themselves."
i was using those as exaggerated examples. yeah, this latest wave is on their front page as have been others, but there have been many other times where i had to dig through their site to find info on a bug. i will admit that its gotten a whole lot better, but my point was, sometimes it seemed to me that MS would rather just keep something hush hush. many will argue or agree with me on this, but thats just what it seemed like to me.
i imagined it would be a whole lot given their user base. youre right, i dont fully understand the magnitude of testing a patch because other software distributers can release patches right away. so, these other vendors might not be testing their patches as thoroughly which might account for the speed at which they hit download sites. but that doesnt mean that a company like MS cant stall or downplay a bug because they want to protect their image. MS has hinted at the secuirty through obscurity model before. MS employee blogs? cool, ill check them out!
"How do you propose they email all their customers? Do they have a list of all their customers email addresses? Doubt it. What about people that don't want that email, they'll complain Microsoft is spamming them. They have made very good attempts to setup security newsletters, alerts, and even RSS feeds so users can sign up themselves."
i was using those as exaggerated examples. yeah, this latest wave is on their front page as have been others, but there have been many other times where i had to dig through their site to find info on a bug. i will admit that its gotten a whole lot better, but my point was, sometimes it seemed to me that MS would rather just keep something hush hush. many will argue or agree with me on this, but thats just what it seemed like to me.
Originally posted by: drag
what I do when patching is to start the proccess, then go do something else.
Take a peak at it now and then to see how it is going and press enter or whatever if it's stopped at a prompt. I'll be over quicker then you think.
Patches are a way of life nowadays, your not going to get out of it by switching to another OS or anything.. Unless it's freedos or something. People just aren't that perfect.
I used to do that when I used windows, the problem was that I got to the middle of something interesting and I had to reboot
silverpig
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I HATE those patches that don't even ask you to reboot. Most of them say "this needs to be rebooted in order to complete installation <reboot now> <reboot later>" and that's cool, but I really really hate the ones that don't even give you the option. "the computer will now reboot <ok>"
Well I still have lots of patches, but no reboots.
"oh I have to update, haven't done that for a while now.". Hmmm
<switch to virtual desktop 2>
<open xterm>
<clickety-clicked> apt-get update && apt-get upgrade <enter>
<switch to virtual desktop 1>
"hmm, lets see what's on cartoon planet... Ah ATHF, cool!"
(fifteen minutes later)
Ah commercials, lets see how the update is going<switch>
OMG, 150 megs downloaded of 200 megs update!, damn I need to clean out some of these programs... Debian damn you. Oh well, now I'll have to remember to donate for the bandwi... ah commercials over <switch>
etc etc etc.
half hour passes.. ah damn forgot about the update... <switch> ah, should I replace the config with the developers? Sure why not. <clickety>, Oh done? "Cool"....
hrmmm.... need 7-11 hotdog..... Were is my keys?
<switch>
<clickety>find / |grep carkeys<enter>
*ouch*, oh I was sitting on them...
"oh I have to update, haven't done that for a while now.". Hmmm
<switch to virtual desktop 2>
<open xterm>
<clickety-clicked> apt-get update && apt-get upgrade <enter>
<switch to virtual desktop 1>
"hmm, lets see what's on cartoon planet... Ah ATHF, cool!"
(fifteen minutes later)
Ah commercials, lets see how the update is going<switch>
OMG, 150 megs downloaded of 200 megs update!, damn I need to clean out some of these programs... Debian damn you. Oh well, now I'll have to remember to donate for the bandwi... ah commercials over <switch>
etc etc etc.
half hour passes.. ah damn forgot about the update... <switch> ah, should I replace the config with the developers? Sure why not. <clickety>, Oh done? "Cool"....
hrmmm.... need 7-11 hotdog..... Were is my keys?
<switch>
<clickety>find / |grep carkeys<enter>
*ouch*, oh I was sitting on them...
Dude. It's anti-biotics.
Think about it. If I eat "safe" food all the time then my body's defensive system will get weak, but with a weekly infusion of 7-11 beef (no pork thankyou) hotdogs I can keep my white blood cells working, and my digestive system strong.
Of course those week long cooking gray-green shrivelled ones should be avoided. They'd poison a vulture.
Having spent years eating in nasty diners, I'm doing just fine.
That and the alcohol usually kills all the nasty stuff.
Originally posted by: n0cmonkey
Having spent years eating in nasty diners, I'm doing just fine.
That and the alcohol usually kills all the nasty stuff.
Amen!
Daily internal disinfection keeps your body in shape
Originally posted by: Sunner
Originally posted by: n0cmonkey
Having spent years eating in nasty diners, I'm doing just fine.
That and the alcohol usually kills all the nasty stuff.
Amen!
Daily internal disinfection keeps your body in shape
The whiskey keeps me alive.
Shamrock
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I am stuck on Band-aid brand, coz Band-aids stuck on me!
I havent used IE on a regular basis since Win98, it's always been Net/Mozilla for me, and dont particularly like Firefox because IT LOOKS TOO MUCH LIKE IE!!!
when it get's to 1.0 I might try it, and immediately skin it to look different
Originally posted by: n0cmonkey
That and the alcohol usually kills all the nasty stuff.
Amen to that.
5% v/v as pre-wash, 12-14% v/v for main rinsing, and finally 40% v/v to take care of any residuals.
i have used mozilla. It's quite good. I like it. HOwever, I feel that many sites loads slower, specially for those sites that contains a lot of multimedia, and specialized stuff, ie java, etc. Overall, I think it's a good browser and I hae install that on my computer as secondary browser but I still like IE for its quidckness and more compatible with sites. Though many feature in mozilla is something that I think IE should included in the next version.
Oh, I wouldn't worry about that. I am sure that quite a few of Firefox's features will be present in the next IE. If not, then MS is a much much bigger bunch of idiots then I would of thought.
I've just now started trying out Mozilla. It's nice; got to try it some more before I completely change habits. Although some sites can only be viewed correctly with IE, that sucks.
Well, check out some of the extensions aviable to Firefox/Mozilla. I'd be willing to bet that 80-90% of the behaviors and features that you like in MyIE2 will be present in those extensions. More then just plugins, you can fundamentally change the behaivor of the browser, much like MyIE2, but the difference is that theses extension'ng capabilities are designed into the browser itself.
Originally posted by: drag
Well I still have lots of patches, but no reboots.
"oh I have to update, haven't done that for a while now.". Hmmm
<switch to virtual desktop 2>
<open xterm>
<clickety-clicked> apt-get update && apt-get upgrade <enter>
<switch to virtual desktop 1>
"hmm, lets see what's on cartoon planet... Ah ATHF, cool!"
(fifteen minutes later)
Ah commercials, lets see how the update is going<switch>
OMG, 150 megs downloaded of 200 megs update!, damn I need to clean out some of these programs... Debian damn you. Oh well, now I'll have to remember to donate for the bandwi... ah commercials over <switch>
etc etc etc.
half hour passes.. ah damn forgot about the update... <switch> ah, should I replace the config with the developers? Sure why not. <clickety>, Oh done? "Cool"....
hrmmm.... need 7-11 hotdog..... Were is my keys?
<switch>
<clickety>find / |grep carkeys<enter>
*ouch*, oh I was sitting on them...
Not fair, you have linux and don't have to reboot unless you are compiling kernels to be builtin part of kernel.
lol, that's fo funny and at the time so true. I'll use it the next time, somebody tells me don't eat that, it isn't good for you.
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