IDF debates use of white phosphorus shells

[Lemon law]

No and from the cybrsage link.

"1. It is prohibited in all circumstances to make the civilian population as such, individual civilians or civilian objects the object of attack by incendiary weapons.
2. It is prohibited in all circumstances to make any military objective located within a concentration of civilians the object of attack by air-delivered incendiary weapons.
3. It is further prohibited to make any military objective located within a concentration of civilians the object of attack by means of incendiary weapons other than air-delivered incendiary weapons, except when such military."

In other words, a militia, or terrorists, hiding inside of a civilian population is not justification for Israel or any country to use white prosperous in a civilian area. As long as there is even one civilian in the reasonable definition of town or village, or much less a city, its use is prohibited. And its use is an international war crime.

And if there is a civilian hospital on top of a bomb making factory, again the word civilian trumps all other considerations. In short, the end does not justify the means.

Of course Israel and other nations assert their rights to interpret clear language regarding war crimes to their advantage. But when they find themselves in a war crimes court, their lack of reading comprehension is not a valid defense.

As Israeli still has a large number of international war crimes charges hanging over various officials regarding cast lead and subsequent and past orgies of collective punishment. And with war crimes, there is no statute of limitations. As for the USA, President GWB, Tony Blair, and Obama, we can't rule out that they too may stand in the docket. As far as I am concerned, if you do the crime best expect to do the time.

 

[EagleKeeper]

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3. It is further prohibited to make any military objective located within a concentration of civilians the object of attack by means of incendiary weapons other than air-delivered incendiary weapons, except when such military."

The militants of Gaza apparently allows this exception.
They have created the military objective located in the concentration of civilians.
Israel is going after the Palestinian military in Gaza.
So what is the problem with #3

And if there is a civilian hospital on top of a bomb making factory, again the word civilian trumps all other considerations. In short, the end does not justify the means.

So where is the is military justification for Hamas going after the civilian school bus.

Where is the war crimes on such - targeting civilians.

When Hamas decides that it wants peace, it can have peace.
Up to now, they have demonstrated that peace is not desired or acceptable.

 

[Nebor]

US doctrine regarding the use of WP munitions prohibits it's use as an anti-personnel weapon. IE you can't use it on enemy troop formations. You can use it for illumination purposes, or if you're striking a military target that is particularly vulnerable to incendiary munitions (fuel depot, convoy of fuel trucks, etc.)

It'd be pretty fucked up to go launching WP artillery rounds into areas populated with civilians. There's just no need to do that.

 

[Lemon law]

JediY only has a limited point here, as he says, "According to the New York Times, a 16-year-old boy was critically injured while riding on a school bus, which was hit by laser-guided missile launched by Hamas. The Times reports that in addition to claiming responsibility for the attack, Hamas said it intentionally chose the target in revenge for an Israeli attack that left three &#8220;holy fighters&#8221; dead.

By calling its dead &#8220;holy fighters,&#8221; Hamas obliquely acknowledges that the Israeli attack was on a legitimate military target. And by stating that that it intentionally attacked a school bus, which is clearly a civilian target, Hamas has admitted to committing a war crime.

It doesn&#8217;t get any clearer than this. "

But can we be sure its a Hamas attack with 100% approval by Hamas leadership, or could this be an attack made by a terrorists group not in any way accosted with Hamas. On the other hand, during the Israeli rape of Lebanon the school bus attack had little comparison in size of scope, with the indiscriminate Israeli strafing of purely Lebanese civilians trying to flee the zones of combat. They too are defined as Israeli international war crimes. And if Israel is ever caught running around assassinating Iranian scientists or even terrorists in other sovereign countries, world public opinion can turn decidedly anti-Israeli. And for that matter it already is,

 

[JEDIYoda]

But can we be sure its a Hamas attack with 100% approval by Hamas leadership, or could this be an attack made by a terrorists group not in any way accosted with Hamas.

-- you can`t be that dense ---

Hamas' Al Qassam Brigades English webpage says:

Gaza-Ezzedeen Al Qassam Briades (E.Q.B) the military wing of the Islamic resistance movement Hamas declared in a military communiqué released on Thursday April 7, 201l the full responsibility for the operation of targeting Israeli bus traveling in the nearby Israeli settlement of Kfar Sa&#8217;ad east of Gaza Strip.

http://elderofziyon.blogspot.com/2011/04/hamas-takes-credit-for-bombing.html

In a revisitation of raised hostilities, Hamas leaders took credit for an anti-tank missile striking an Israeli school bus, injuring a bus driver and his sixteen year old passenger.


http://www.opednews.com/articles/Hamas-Authorized-Missile-H-by-Rob-Kall-110408-596.html?show=votes

In a revisitation of raised hostilities, Hamas leaders took credit for an anti-tank missile striking an Israeli school bus, injuring a bus driver and his sixteen year old passenger.

http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/nationworld/2014705698_apmlisraelpalestinians.html

 

[lopri]

I fail to see which part of the Jerusalem Post article reads anti-semitic.

P.S. Didn't bother to watch Youtube video.

 

[EagleKeeper]

He is not dense, just blind and biased.

One is not allowed to taint the Palestinian actions with facts.

 

[Infohawk]

I fail to see which part of the Jerusalem Post article reads anti-semitic.

P.S. Didn't bother to watch Youtube video.

Don't worry about it. OP was just trollin'.

 

[Lemon law]

He is not dense, just blind and biased.

One is not allowed to taint the Palestinian actions with facts.

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No EK I am not just blind and biased. And I suggest its you that is more blind and biased.

If we note there is an entire history of Israeli, Arab, and Palestinian history from say 1900 to the present in the region called the holy land of Israel, I have no problem that there has, still is, and continues to be bad behavior on all sides.

Therefore we are comparing bad behavior to bad behavior to bad behavior. And not only is it very hard to say Hamas or the older entity of Fatah is now the greatest villain, its far easier to make a slam dunk case Israeli behavior is far worse.

In 2011, all Hamas rocket attacks killed exactly zero Israeli civilians, while Israelis killed and vandalized hundreds of Palestinians. Israel kicked 1100 Palestinians out of their homes in 2011 alone, and have been treating 3.5 million Palestinians in a subhuman manner while embargoing their economy. In terms of water resources in the West Bank, Palestinians are not allowed to drill for water and Israeli settlers get all the water they want.

In 1844 when Jews in the Warsaw Ghetto rebelled against the Nazis they were regarded as hero's but when Palestinians do they same they are terrorists.

So once again, when I look at it from both sides, and when you look at everything as if Israelis are the chosen people and master race, I will point out, in the end, the international community will ultimately have to decide on the merits.

 

[Karl Agathon]

People are currently being slaughtered in the streets of Syria, yet hardly if any threads on that matter. We need to have some Israelis somehow move to Syria. So this way, at least some of the individuals here who are so fixated on Israel will actually give a damn about that horrible human rights situation.

 

[cybrsage]

Jews in Damascus Restore Synagogues as Syria Tries to Foster Secular Image
By Massoud A. Derhally - Feb 7, 2011 4:11 AM ET

Albert Cameo, leader of what remains of the Jewish community in Syria, says he&#8217;s trying to fulfill an obligation to his religious heritage.
The 70-year-old is organizing the restoration of a synagogue called Al-Raqi in the old Jewish quarter of Damascus built during the Ottoman Empire about 400 years ago. The project, which began in December, will be completed this month as part of a plan to restore 10 synagogues with the backing of Syrian President Bashar al-Assad and funding from Syrian Jews.
&#8220;Assad sees the rebuilding of Jewish Damascus in the context of preserving the secularism of Syria,&#8221; said Josh Landis, director of the Center for Middle East Studies at the University of Oklahoma in Norman. &#8220;This is an effort by the regime to show its seriousness and an olive branch to the Jewish community in America, which they have been wooing.&#8221;

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2011-...-synagogues-as-syria-seeks-secular-image.html