IDF closes Palestinian school to make way for West Bank training zone

[Dari]

Quote it please, I cannot find it in the link.

EDIT: Are you talking about the three settlements without confiscation yet? That is because they need to take them to court first. The current confiscations are from the ones already taken to court 12 years ago. Newly expanded settlements will be taken to court once this one is finished...only a fool would take new settlements to court while the first one is still being played out.

Since Israel already removes illegal Jewish settlements you can rest assured they will do it here as well.

What? I think you are confused. The government does not take them to court. The government issues orders and the residents take the government to court.

Since Israel already removes illegal Jewish settlements you can rest assured they will do it here as well.

lol. Yeah. Sure.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

As for Hamas, they are just the opposite side of the coin from Netanyuhu.

Where in their party charters is a statement to the effect of "here is a Muslim, quick come and kill him"?

Fair? Ok, Hamas uses what power it has to strike at the Israelis. How about if Israel stops holding back and does what the other side of the coin as you put has as a stated goal?

If you pledge to kill me and the ones I love I will kill you first if it comes to it. I'd first try to render you harmless and isolated, but if forced to from a survival POV then yes. That's also why the Israeli nukes frustrate you. It makes the fantasy slaugther impossible, or at least too costly to attempt. That's the situation and anything else pales in significance. If the Israeli government was as horrid as you contend then today would have been the death of tens of thousands. That didn't happen at all did it? No most certainly not.

 

[Lemon law]

You want the Israeli's subjugated or exterminated. How dare those 6 million exist there.

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Please don't totally distort my statement, I have no real problems with the 1948 borders of Israel ( other than the right to return is another side issue) where those 6 million Jews live, we are talking the disputed territories of Gaza, the West Bank, and East Jerusalem, where Israel has illegally built settlements for 500,000 Israelis and counting.

But I don't want the Palestinians to be subjected or exterminated either. While, for 44 years, Israel is compiling a really stinking human rights record in terms of subjecting and a pretty stinking human rights record in terms of extermination or imprisonment record too.

In terms of the latter point, how you can live with your own view Haybasusa, takes either extreme denial of the facts or it puts you on the same moral level of the average Nazi.

 

[cybrsage]

What? I think you are confused. The government does not take them to court. The government issues orders and the residents take the government to court.

Effect is the same. It gets taken to court.

lol. Yeah. Sure.

Israeli court orders removal of settlement houses
May 07, 2012|Reuters

JERUSALEM (Reuters) - Israel's Supreme Court rejected on Monday a government request to delay the demolition of five apartment buildings in a Jewish settlement in the West Bank, ruling the houses must be removed by July 1.

Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu's coalition government agreed last year to remove the houses at Ulpana, on the edge of the Beit El settlement, after a court ruled they were built on private Palestinian land.

http://articles.chicagotribune.com/...alestinian-land-international-community-views

Yep, 100% sure.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

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Please don't totally distort my statement, I have no real problems with the 1948 borders of Israel ( other than the right to return is another side issue) where those 6 million Jews live, we are talking the disputed territories of Gaza, the West Bank, and East Jerusalem, where Israel has illegally built settlements for 500,000 Israelis and counting.

But I don't want the Palestinians to be subjected or exterminated either. While, for 44 years, Israel is compiling a really stinking human rights record in terms of subjecting and a pretty stinking human rights record in terms of extermination or imprisonment record too.

In terms of the latter point, how you can live with your own view Haybasusa, takes either extreme denial of the facts or it puts you on the same moral level of the average Nazi.

Of course you want them dead. You have likened them to Nazi's, aparthed, and for anyone knows the plagues of Egypt. You've expressed the opinion that they are at least as bad as the worst that the world has ever produced. Faced with such evil, you naturally want them dead. There can really be no other option for someone as moral as yourself.

 

[Oyeve]

Effect is the same. It gets taken to court.





http://articles.chicagotribune.com/...alestinian-land-international-community-views

Yep, 100% sure.

Yeah, throw us a little blip from a jewish owned media source, real reliable.

 

[kylebisme]

Effect is the same. It gets taken to court.

It doesn't get taken to court when Israel doesn't order the settlers off the territory, which is why the settler population in the West Bank has grown to nearly three quarters of a million between 1967 and now.

http://articles.chicagotribune.com/...alestinian-land-international-community-views

Yep, 100% sure.

See West Bank Settlements Often Use Private Palestinian Land, Study Says:

An Israeli advocacy group has found that 39 percent of the land used by Jewish settlements in the West Bank is private Palestinian property, which the organization contends is a violation of international and Israeli law guaranteeing property rights in the occupied territories.

In a report released here Tuesday, the Settlement Watch project of Peace Now also disclosed that much of the land that Israeli officials have said would remain part of the Jewish state under any final peace agreement is private Palestinian property.

That includes some of the large settlement blocs inside the barrier that Israel is building to separate Israelis from the Palestinian population in the West Bank. The report states that 86 percent of Maale Adumim on Jerusalem's eastern edge sits on private Palestinian land. A little more than 35 percent of the settlement of Ariel, which cuts deep into the northern West Bank, is also on private property.

And Israel Retroactively Legalizes 3 West Bank Settlements:

The Israeli government on Tuesday retroactively legalized three Jewish settlement outposts in the West Bank, and moved to delay the scheduled evacuation of a fourth, in a provocative move that some critics said marked the first establishment of new settlements in two decades.

What is your percentage of sureness now?

 

[Moonbeam]

EagleKeeper: No one has clear title to the land.

M: My point exactly. Why would They wnat to practice bombing on land they do not own and also never practice?

EK: There is no Palestinian state to be responsible for it.

M: Why does anybody need to be responsible for land nobody has clear title to? Land doesn't act irresponsibly. It's just land.

EK: Jordan which CONQUERED it lost it and does not ask for it back;
Israel which gained control of it from Jordan is the defacto steward until some other country obtains claim.

M: Hehehe, such use of language. De facto? Are you sure they didn't take control? And why again does it need a steward. Land is just land, unless of course, God intended you steward it, no? No, no steward is required for land that is just land.

EK: these people have known for 12+ years that the land was intended for other purposes.

M: Halarious again. Land has no intent. It is just land. People have intentions over land, however, and that means motivation. And as soon as we look at motivation we run smack into denial. Selfish motivations are always hidden.

EK: That waited around until the end and the end has come.

M: Your thinking is so bizarre. Israel decided to torture these people for 12 years. Now the real torture is going to begin.

One more thing. I saw the question about what kind of monsters would send their kids to a school in a bomb practice area. I want to know what kind of monster would bomb a school full of kids?

I don't give a fig who is better or worse when it comes to Palestinians and Jews. I know how better people should act. I find it unjust to use law to torture people. I see every evidence in the world that Israel does that and I get my information from Jews who do not like what the state of Israel does, just like the folk who published the link in the OP. It is Jews who condemn Israel for her behavior. I agree with these Jews on this point.

Mind you, I do not think the solution to this is to drive Israel into the sea. If you bring a Jewish and Palestinian baby to America and raise them in an American family and then they join the Marines, they will defend each other to the death.

EK: Now everyone wants to feel sorry.

M: I feel deep compassion and sorrow for both sides. It is such a waste.

 

[Jhhnn]

They have known about this for 12 years.

The implementation was placed on hold due to appeals.

No civilized country allows people to live in a Active Fire zone.
The Palestinians moved into one after it was declared.
And they need to be removed for their safety.

Or do you want them to become martyrs when a live shell hits.
Kill the children for a political statement.
Many Palestinian militants think that is OK; I thought some here were above such.

Your reading comprehension suffers when it comes to the sacred cause of Israel, apparently. Pals have been living there all along, before the area was declared a free fire zone 12 years ago.

It's just another way to force Pals out of areas that Israeli settlers want. After the Pals are gone, Israel will just change its mind, declare it isn't such a zone, after all, and since nobody lives there, settlers can move in. They haven't made a move to get the Israeli settlers out, either, making the exercise an obvious sham.

 

[cybrsage]

No move yet, but they will eventually. They have to finish the FIRST court case before they start the second one. Same reason why the Attornies General of many states are waiting for the SCOTUS ruling on the ObamaCare issue before challenging it themselves. It is stupid to start a court case identical to the one currently in court until you know the outcome of the first one. If Israel loses the case and the settlers win, they will not start one against the new violations. If Israel wins and the settlers lose, they will evict the new violators.

It really does follow that easy logic.

 

[Lemon law]

No move yet, but they will eventually. They have to finish the FIRST court case before they start the second one. Same reason why the Attornies General of many states are waiting for the SCOTUS ruling on the ObamaCare issue before challenging it themselves. It is stupid to start a court case identical to the one currently in court until you know the outcome of the first one. If Israel loses the case and the settlers win, they will not start one against the new violations. If Israel wins and the settlers lose, they will evict the new violators.

It really does follow that easy logic.

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And that why your narrative cybtsage, IMHO, is a perfect perfect poster child of the difference between your ideals about Israel and how THE PRESENT GOVERNMEMT OF ISRAEL actually behaves.

Even if we ignore the fact the present government of Israel owns no disputed land, and hence all Israeli settlement on disputed land is illegal, You cybrsage cited the behavior of Israeli courts as a effective agency for regulating illegal settlement. And oddly enough I agree with you.

But there is always a difference between an ideal behavior and how it works in practice. As Israeli courts have ruled as long as a decade ago that a large number of settlements are illegal, but the Israeli government never acts to see they are evacuated or torn down. But let a Palestinian lose his house and the Israeli courts agree, The Israeli government always acts immediately and by the day is done, that Palestinian family will be gone.

But it gets even worse cybrsage, one of the prime reasons for Israeli facing new elections was a demand by Israeli settler parties, to force the Israeli government over rule it own courts regarding a particular illegal Israeli settlement where even people all Israel admit was done with total fraud.

But the new Israeli coalition government prevented needing new Israeli elections, as for the future of the Israeli courts enforcing equal justice under even Israeli law, the can is only kicked a few months further down the road. Unlike the USA with a constitution that defines the power of its branches, Israel has no consitution and acts as its PM and inner circle pleases.

 

[cybrsage]

All I know is I have seen the Israeli government dismantle illegal Jewish settlements, dragging the settlers out kicking and screaming. This means they actually do it. You may claim they do not, but the videos show they do.

 

[Lemon law]

All I know is I have seen the Israeli government dismantle illegal Jewish settlements, dragging the settlers out kicking and screaming. This means they actually do it. You may claim they do not, but the videos show they do.

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Wrong again, the idea that the Israel Government only rarely demolish settlements is zero evidence that they do it consistently which is really the acid test.

And usually when it happens rarely, its only the Israeli government facing international condemnation if they don't.

And pardon me, cybrsage, and INMO, you seem to me as an inexhaustible well spring of bogus reasoning.

 

[JEDIYoda]

And pardon me, cybrsage, and INMO, you seem to me as an inexhaustible well spring of bogus reasoning.

sort of like your inexhaustible well spring of bogus predictions?