IDF closes Palestinian school to make way for West Bank training zone

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As OP on that other thread, that asked the question, will the new Unity government be any better, we maybe get our answer, the old Israeli government and the new are still one and the same and even more unified than before. As Israel now refuses to comply with their own courts.

Oh how I remember Richard Nixon reinventing himself as the New Nixon.

Silly Palestinians, why should they even deserve self education when the Israeli plan is to have them grow gills and simply swim away. And our now vilified Chief Justice Taney in the Dred Scott decision stated it clearly, a Palestinian has no human rights a Israeli should respect.

The USA now rejects that 175 year piece of bullshit and had to fight a civil war to prove it, but now Bozo Netanyuhu is Chief Justice Taney reincarnated.

Nothing new here, hypocrisy rides forever undeterred in Israel. And will continue to do so until an external force stops it.
 
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cybrsage

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Shows you that Israel is truely a free country and they have civil rights, etc. Their freedom of the Press is alive and well, and they are a flourishing democracy.

Unlike their neighbors...
 

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In 1999, the area was declared a live-fire exercise zone by the Israel Defense Forces, meaning people aren't allowed to live there. The residents were evicted but petitioned the High Court of Justice, which issued an interim injunction allowing them to return until it issues a final ruling. Ever since, the case has been stuck in court, with the state requesting and receiving continual postponements of the deadline for filing its response. Last month, the state promised to file its response within 30 days.

It is for their own safety the school is shut down. It would be terrible to have children going to school in a live fire exercise zone. Don't you both agree?

Of course, there is also the illegal expansion of settlements:

Dror Etkes, who has monitored West Bank settlement activity for years, told Haaretz that three settlement outposts had recently expanded into the live-fire zone: Avigail, Mitzpeh Yair and Havat Ma'on.

We would not want Israel to turn a blind eye to the illegal expansion of settlements, would we?
 

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Shows you that Israel is truely a free country and they have civil rights, etc. Their freedom of the Press is alive and well, and they are a flourishing democracy.

Unlike their neighbors...
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Israel is a functioning democracy? Who could have suspected it? Hard to say that when Israeli is a thugozy and does not even respect their own courts.

But yes, Israel so needed a training center for criminally incurable IDF thugs.

Earth to cybrsage, no nation can claim to be a democracy when they deny 30% of their population all human rights.
 

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So does that mean you DO want children going to school in a live fire excersize zone? Are you really that much of a monster?

Does that mean you DO want Israel to do nothing about illegally built settlements? You previously said you want all settlements destroyed, including the illegal ones. Now it seems you do not. Which is it?
 

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Please cybrsage don't try to put words in my mouth as you say, "So does that mean you DO want children going to school in a live fire excersize zone? Are you really that much of a monster? "

Point one, it was Israeli thugs and not Palestinians who made the area into a live fire zone, as I ask instead what kind of a monster you are for supporting an Israeli free fire zone anywhere? And against Palestinian children under age 10?

Cybrsage, how can you even live with yourself with such a set of morally twisted values? As for me, I stand for everyone having equal human rights, its just part of our American values.
 

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Clarify the questions then by answering them. I will repost them to make it easy for you.

1. Do you want children going to school in a live fire exersize zone?
2. Do you want Israel to do nothing about illegally built settlements?
 

cybrsage

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Point one, it was Israeli thugs and not Palestinians who made the area into a live fire zone...

As for me, I stand for everyone having equal human rights, its just part of our American values.

Umm...there are live fire exercise zones INSIDE the US. Every nation has them. I thought this was a well known thing, that the military needs to practice with real bullets and bombs.
 

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Cybrsage, how can you even live with yourself with such a set of morally twisted values? As for me, I stand for everyone having equal human rights, its just part of our American values.
cybrsage has his head further up his ass than anyone else in the world. He seems like a decent person other than that:)
 

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They have known about this for 12 years.

The implementation was placed on hold due to appeals.

No civilized country allows people to live in a Active Fire zone.
The Palestinians moved into one after it was declared.
And they need to be removed for their safety.

Or do you want them to become martyrs when a live shell hits.
Kill the children for a political statement. :colbert:
Many Palestinian militants think that is OK; I thought some here were above such.
 

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I thought all of the Gaza Strip was declared the official Active Fire zone for the IDF?
 

Atreus21

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Strange. A Palestinian school that doesn't have a rocket launcher on top of it. First of it's type I suppose.
 

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I thought all of the Gaza Strip was declared the official Active Fire zone for the IDF?

This is not Gaza.

It is the 5-10 miles inside Israel along the border of Gaza that is the Free Fire zone for Hamas.
 

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Shows you that Israel is truely a free country and they have civil rights, etc. Their freedom of the Press is alive and well, and they are a flourishing democracy.

Unlike their neighbors...

You mean unlike the American media.

Also, stealing land/closing schools is not a real sign of a 'flourishing democracy'.
 

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I agree that all militarizes need free fire zones to practice in.

I agree with EK that,"No civilized country allows people to live in a Active Fire zone."

The little problem with EK's stinking thinking, is that Israel has has no right to make land they don't own into free fire zones. If Israel wants to have free fire zones, Israel should use land they do own inside the 1948 borders of Israel.
 

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I agree that all militarizes need free fire zones to practice in.

I agree with EK that,"No civilized country allows people to live in a Active Fire zone."

The little problem with EK's stinking thinking, is that Israel has has no right to make land they don't own into free fire zones. If Israel wants to have free fire zones, Israel should use land they do own inside the 1948 borders of Israel.

Pigs should fly. They don't. Plan B?
 

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Pigs should fly. They don't. Plan B?

Before we move to plan B let us examine the assumption that pigs should fly. Suppose black people have to ride in the back of the bus in some country where all people are said to be equal. What would the logical next step be, that Blacks should not be, that Blacks can only drive cars with controls in the back seat? When you scrape away all the horse manure bigotry that surrounds the Palestinian Israeli issues, it a legitimate legal issue remains. Shouldn't a country do it's military training on land it owns and the ownership of which is legally settled?

Even if some colors of people are superior to others, practice democracy or go to church, have better government, are less hypocritical, etc, etc etc in all the often delusional superior ways the people tell themselves, does that give them the right to force inferior people to ride in the back of the bus? Don't you think that morally superior people are obliged to demonstrate it by acting toward the others as if they were just as superior? Otherwise, it would seem to me, that we are left always with the ends justify the means.

Twelve years? And we know that justice delayed is justice denied. Didn't Jesus come to tell the Jews they would not be saved by law alone?

The greatest force for good in the Jewish world is other Jews. They have a system of beliefs where some times in some places a sense of justice emerges which corresponds to our deepest humanity. It would be nice of plan B were to insure that the life experiences of Palestinians does the same.

There are no Jews and there are no Palestinians. We are all the same.

The mind that sees difference is a mind that divides. The mind that sees sameness is a mind that unites.
 

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I agree that all militarizes need free fire zones to practice in.

I agree with EK that,"No civilized country allows people to live in a Active Fire zone."

The little problem with EK's stinking thinking, is that Israel has has no right to make land they don't own into free fire zones. If Israel wants to have free fire zones, Israel should use land they do own inside the 1948 borders of Israel.
Then why do the Palestinians want to use Israel as a Free Fire Zone?

No problems with that?
 

EagleKeeper

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Before we move to plan B let us examine the assumption that pigs should fly. Suppose black people have to ride in the back of the bus in some country where all people are said to be equal. What would the logical next step be, that Blacks should not be, that Blacks can only drive cars with controls in the back seat? When you scrape away all the horse manure bigotry that surrounds the Palestinian Israeli issues, it a legitimate legal issue remains. Shouldn't a country do it's military training on land it owns and the ownership of which is legally settled?

Even if some colors of people are superior to others, practice democracy or go to church, have better government, are less hypocritical, etc, etc etc in all the often delusional superior ways the people tell themselves, does that give them the right to force inferior people to ride in the back of the bus? Don't you think that morally superior people are obliged to demonstrate it by acting toward the others as if they were just as superior? Otherwise, it would seem to me, that we are left always with the ends justify the means.

Twelve years? And we know that justice delayed is justice denied. Didn't Jesus come to tell the Jews they would not be saved by law alone?

The greatest force for good in the Jewish world is other Jews. They have a system of beliefs where some times in some places a sense of justice emerges which corresponds to our deepest humanity. It would be nice of plan B were to insure that the life experiences of Palestinians does the same.

There are no Jews and there are no Palestinians. We are all the same.

The mind that sees difference is a mind that divides. The mind that sees sameness is a mind that unites.

The West Bank is land under Israel control. Jordan did not want it when they illegally took it.

Until the Palestinians get control from Israel - safety of the occupants of that land is the responsibility of Israel.

There are no Jews and there are no Palestinians. We are all the same.
Tell that to the Arabs and Palestinians