Identify the speaker of this statement. Obama? Biden? Gore? Clinton? etc.

ProfJohn

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Check out this statement and tell me who spoke it and when.

And then tell me if it sounds much different than what Obama or Biden are running around saying.

Amazing how little things change over the years.

I deleted anything that might give historical context to the speech.
I believe that most Americans would agree on the problems that this country faces and that the next - and which the next administration must solve. They include the need once again for an economy that works. The economy today is in very, very bad shape -<deleted> raging inflation, with the latest uh - wholesale price indexes once again su- raising the specter of double-digit inflation. The purchasing power of the average American has slipped so much that it is now the equivalent of the purchasing power in <deleted>. It is not getting better. It is getting worse. All the leading indicators now point downward, and stock investors are now losing confidence and over <deleted> billion of value has disappeared from the stock market in less than a month. We need a government that works, and we need a government that cares, and once again we have to get back to work on education, on health, on housing, on the environment, on energy; and we need a foreign policy that once again reflects the values and the beliefs of the American people. This will take leadership, and we need leadership, too. The Republican administration, the Republican party has had <deleted> to solve these problems. All of them have gotten worse. The Republican ticket does not offer new plans for their solution but is engaged in a frantic effort to defend the past. This nation desperately needs new leadership. The <deleted> ticket would offer a new generation of leadership dedicated to solu- to solving the problems which I have listed, and that is the basis of our appeal.
 

ProfJohn

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Originally posted by: RightIsWrong
If it was true then and true now, does it matter who is stating the obvious?
It is just amazing that the Democrats are saying the same things today that they said 32 years ago!

Oh and BTW the Democrat won that election and things got WORSE.
 

Red Dawn

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Originally posted by: ProfJohn
Originally posted by: RightIsWrong
If it was true then and true now, does it matter who is stating the obvious?
It is just amazing that the Democrats are saying the same things today that they said 32 years ago!

Oh and BTW the Democrat won that election and things got WORSE.
So the Republicans won in 2000 and things really went down the tube.

 

Robor

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Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Originally posted by: ProfJohn
Originally posted by: RightIsWrong
If it was true then and true now, does it matter who is stating the obvious?
It is just amazing that the Democrats are saying the same things today that they said 32 years ago!

Oh and BTW the Democrat won that election and things got WORSE.
So the Republicans won in 2000 and things really went down the tube.

/thread considering there was no point in the first place.

 

Red Dawn

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Originally posted by: Robor
Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Originally posted by: ProfJohn
Originally posted by: RightIsWrong
If it was true then and true now, does it matter who is stating the obvious?
It is just amazing that the Democrats are saying the same things today that they said 32 years ago!

Oh and BTW the Democrat won that election and things got WORSE.
So the Republicans won in 2000 and things really went down the tube.

/thread considering there was no point in the first place.
You gotta cut ProJo some slack, look what he has to work with.
 

NeoV

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funny how your posts change, but the relevance to anyone other than yourself doesn't change
 

Balt

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Originally posted by: ProfJohn
Originally posted by: RightIsWrong
If it was true then and true now, does it matter who is stating the obvious?
It is just amazing that the Democrats are saying the same things today that they said 32 years ago!

Oh and BTW the Democrat won that election and things got WORSE.

You're really reaching these days, aren't you?
 

RichardE

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Originally posted by: ProfJohn
Originally posted by: RightIsWrong
If it was true then and true now, does it matter who is stating the obvious?
It is just amazing that the Democrats are saying the same things today that they said 32 years ago!

Oh and BTW the Democrat won that election and things got WORSE.

The republican message has changed?

Oh thats right, you guys are for big government, big spending, and nation building now :laugh: silly me.
 

jonks

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Who said it:

Because if we'd gone to Baghdad we would have been all alone. There wouldn't have been anybody else with us. There would have been a U.S. occupation of Iraq. None of the Arab forces that were willing to fight with us in Kuwait were willing to invade Iraq.

Once you got to Iraq and took it over, took down Saddam Hussein's government, then what are you going to put in its place? That's a very volatile part of the world, and if you take down the central government of Iraq, you could very easily end up seeing pieces of Iraq fly off: part of it, the Syrians would like to have to the west, part of it -- eastern Iraq -- the Iranians would like to claim, they fought over it for eight years. In the north you've got the Kurds, and if the Kurds spin loose and join with the Kurds in Turkey, then you threaten the territorial integrity of Turkey.

It's a quagmire if you go that far and try to take over Iraq.

The other thing was casualties. Everyone was impressed with the fact we were able to do our job with as few casualties as we had. But for the 146 Americans killed in action, and for their families -- it wasn't a cheap war. And the question for the president, in terms of whether or not we went on to Baghdad, took additional casualties in an effort to get Saddam Hussein, was how many additional dead Americans is Saddam worth?

Our judgment was, not very many, and I think we got it right.
 

jonks

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Originally posted by: ElFenix
Originally posted by: jonks
Who said it:
< snip >

i'm going with dick cheney

do i win a prize?

koreckt

how about a :cookie: in these tough economic times I can't afford to buy you :beer:

We also would have accepted His Divine Shadow, He Who Must Not Be Named, and Beelzebub
 

mooseracing

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Originally posted by: ProfJohn
Check out this statement and tell me who spoke it and when.

And then tell me if it sounds much different than what Obama or Biden are running around saying.

Amazing how little things change over the years.


All the Political parties try to feed us the same crap every election saying its new. Then when asked to give detail on their "new ideas" they just beat around the bush.


We need to get actual people running, and no parties. Then people would run on what they really brought to the table instead of all these morons not answering a question.
 

GroundedSailor

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Originally posted by: jonks
Who said it:

Because if we'd gone to Baghdad we would have been all alone. There wouldn't have been anybody else with us. There would have been a U.S. occupation of Iraq. None of the Arab forces that were willing to fight with us in Kuwait were willing to invade Iraq.

Once you got to Iraq and took it over, took down Saddam Hussein's government, then what are you going to put in its place? That's a very volatile part of the world, and if you take down the central government of Iraq, you could very easily end up seeing pieces of Iraq fly off: part of it, the Syrians would like to have to the west, part of it -- eastern Iraq -- the Iranians would like to claim, they fought over it for eight years. In the north you've got the Kurds, and if the Kurds spin loose and join with the Kurds in Turkey, then you threaten the territorial integrity of Turkey.

It's a quagmire if you go that far and try to take over Iraq.

The other thing was casualties. Everyone was impressed with the fact we were able to do our job with as few casualties as we had. But for the 146 Americans killed in action, and for their families -- it wasn't a cheap war. And the question for the president, in terms of whether or not we went on to Baghdad, took additional casualties in an effort to get Saddam Hussein, was how many additional dead Americans is Saddam worth?

Our judgment was, not very many, and I think we got it right.

George H W Bush (Bush Sr).


 

GroundedSailor

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Originally posted by: ProfJohn
Check out this statement and tell me who spoke it and when.

And then tell me if it sounds much different than what Obama or Biden are running around saying.

Amazing how little things change over the years.

I deleted anything that might give historical context to the speech.
I believe that most Americans would agree on the problems that this country faces and that the next - and which the next administration must solve. They include the need once again for an economy that works. The economy today is in very, very bad shape -<deleted> raging inflation, with the latest uh - wholesale price indexes once again su- raising the specter of double-digit inflation. The purchasing power of the average American has slipped so much that it is now the equivalent of the purchasing power in <deleted>. It is not getting better. It is getting worse. All the leading indicators now point downward, and stock investors are now losing confidence and over <deleted> billion of value has disappeared from the stock market in less than a month. We need a government that works, and we need a government that cares, and once again we have to get back to work on education, on health, on housing, on the environment, on energy; and we need a foreign policy that once again reflects the values and the beliefs of the American people. This will take leadership, and we need leadership, too. The Republican administration, the Republican party has had <deleted> to solve these problems. All of them have gotten worse. The Republican ticket does not offer new plans for their solution but is engaged in a frantic effort to defend the past. This nation desperately needs new leadership. The <deleted> ticket would offer a new generation of leadership dedicated to solu- to solving the problems which I have listed, and that is the basis of our appeal.

This comes verbatim from Rush Limbaugh:
http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/ho...nt/01125108.guest.html
See third paragraph.

Just identifying the source for inquisitive minds.


 

StageLeft

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This is one of my favorite republican arguments. Basically it goes like this "I won't bother arguing that my candidate is better because I know he's not; he sucks. However, yours is no better, it's a wash; whoever you vote for makes no difference. PS - please vote republican because I don't really believe what I'm telling you."
 

Bowfinger

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Originally posted by: ProfJohn
Originally posted by: RightIsWrong
If it was true then and true now, does it matter who is stating the obvious?
It is just amazing that the Democrats are saying the same things today that they said 32 years ago!
Umm, What is "NO", Alex?

WTF could you possibly find amazing about this? Are you denying the economy is in trouble now, denying it was in trouble then, do you somehow believe the United States can only have economic problems once in its history, or is it just that you and Limbaugh are spewing partisan crap randomly in the hope something, anything will stick and help revive McCain's flailing campaign? PJ, we get that you are a shameless RNC tool. You don't need to be quite so blatant about it.


Oh and BTW the Democrat won that election and things got WORSE.
Yeah, sorry about that. Carter wanted to flip the economy overnight, but his Easy button was out for repairs. He had to rely on old-fashioned means to try to influence the economy back in a healthy direction slowly, over time ... just like every President. Carter also wasn't willing to borrow our way to faux prosperity by adding trillions to our national debt, unlike Reagan. Stupid Democrats and their fiscal responsibility.


Another Epic Fail.