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cKGunslinger

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Originally posted by: dmcowen674
Originally posted by: Amplifier
As long as the teachers union exists very little will change.

Yeah, let's pay teachers the same as waiters and see what happens.

As long as we don't require much more out of them than we do waiters, they should be paid as such. At least waiters have an incentive to perform well (tips.) What incentive do most teacher's have?

No, I believe educators should be one of the most highly paid and respected professions in the country, but I also think they need to "earn" their pay and their respect. They are more important that doctors and more important than lawyers, yet each of those spend at least 3x as much time in school and training. We need at lot more rigorous requirements of the people with whom we are placing the future of our children and our very nation.
 

Mr Duck

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http://www.egusd.k12.ca.us/district/salary.htm


That is just a link to the pay schedule for the school district in which I live. I read from it that teachers make good money and a lot of days off from work that I do not get (yes I am a little jealous:) ). Even the beginning salary should be enough for anybody assuming thay have a working wife or husband. Thirty five - seventy five thousand a year with the benefits should be good enough for anyone and a hundred and twenty thousand a year for a principal of a school is money taken away from our kids. So all this means in my opinion is that lack of money to schools is not the problem,rather the system itself that needs to bwe fixed.
 

PatboyX

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Originally posted by: cKGunslinger
Originally posted by: dmcowen674
Originally posted by: Amplifier
As long as the teachers union exists very little will change.

Yeah, let's pay teachers the same as waiters and see what happens.

As long as we don't require much more out of them than we do waiters, they should be paid as such. At least waiters have an incentive to perform well (tips.) What incentive do most teacher's have?

No, I believe educators should be one of the most highly paid and respected professions in the country, but I also think they need to "earn" their pay and their respect. They are more important that doctors and more important than lawyers, yet each of those spend at least 3x as much time in school and training. We need at lot more rigorous requirements of the people with whom we are placing the future of our children and our very nation.

winnar!
some disctricts around here are trying the incentives and things are going very well.
im tired of hearing trash-talk about unions. unions are here. deal with it.
i think another avenue other than teaching incentives (i know some people think "hey, they get a lot of time off" but...good teachers dont actually get a lot of time off. they work many more hours than put in at the building) would be rewards for schools that are doing well. i am fully against this "teach the test" mentality but in the district where i work (not teaching, as you can probably tell) it is in the schools best interest to do poorly because then you are given more money.
and get nothing for good performance.



 

GTaudiophile

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01) National uniform standard. (Keep it cheap and simple.)
02) Segregation of schools by gender until junior year of high school.
03) Limit all sex/drug/alcohol/sensitivity/liberal education to one week of school during one grade.
04) Go to an all-year school schedule/no long summers.
05) Increase pay for teachers to a national average of $60K/year.
06) Reintroduce the "paddle" for elementary-aged school children.
07) Hang the 10 Commandments on all school walls.
08) If high school-aged kids refuse to learn or drop out, they are forced into the military.
09) Create a law that says that children from middle school on up can have no fewer than 4 hours of homework per night.
10) Create a more University-like school week: Math, Science, and English on MWF and Social Studies, PE, Art/Music, Home-Econ/Life Skills on TU and TH.
11) Make after-school sports conditional of academic performance.
12) Pass a law that prohibits high-school and college-aged students from being drafted into professional sports.
13) Aside from a typing class and Internet research class, de-emphasize technology from the classroom.
14) Increased screening of teachers, try to hire teachers who have had work experience outside of the classroom.
15) Eliminate teacher's union.
16) Introduce vouchers, forcing schools to improve or close.
17) Create an atmosphere in the country that praises academic achievement.
18) Make kids believe that their lives will be sh!t without a good education.
19) Increase competition amongst students: publicly embarrass students that fail.
20) Increase competition amongst students: promote those that succeed with scholarships, making others envious.
21) Students must be able to do two things before graduation in addition to other requirements: A) Balance a checkbook, B) Complete a 1040 form.
22) Increase the foreign language requirement to a minimum of 6 years.

I think that's all I can think of at this time.

Edit:

23) Identify "special needs" children earlier on and create special schools/classes for them only. No need for them to bring down a class of 30 to their level.
24) Reduce classroom sizes to 20 or so max.
25) Make English the official national language in the US classroom.
26) Elimate all the drugs: Prozac, Riddlin, etc. It's discipline kids need, not drugs.
 

cwjerome

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Actually education unions are illegal... they're "associations." I haven't seen major problems with them locally, but the NEA is pure horsesh*t.

One of the biggest macro problems is our traditionally deep-rooted notion on egalitarianism in education. It's old, unrealistic, and harmful. Every kid is an individual with likes, dislikes, talent, predisposition, and varying abilities. I hate the fact that we pretend they're all the same and try to squeeze them all through the same one-size-fits-all mold. This universal, college prep attitude hurts more kids than it helps. I think there should be more choices and options.

At the classroom level, I think the biggest problem in education is discipline (followed by bad teachers). The classes are dragged down in more ways than one by the couple knuckleheads who make things lousy for the teachers and students. They have a horrible effect on the academics and climate of the class... which often sends the fragile "bubble" students to the dark side. Some kids need a different structure... normal school is not for them, and they need a mofified environment to succeed (it's part of that one-size-fits-all thing again). Removing this 5% of the student population into another system would serve everyone better.

Just a few passing thoughts....
 

piasabird

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Are you talking about K-12 or are you talking about higher education?

I think in high crime areas some method of education based on a television or the Internet may be a good idea. Many people have multiple TV's and computers and what not. This might be a good idea for some grades where the student is a go getter and could be accomadated for a more flexible education system that stresses the ability to take a class when you want to.

When I went to college it was possible to take classes so they all fall on a Tuesday/Thursday or all on Mon/Wed/Fri and then you could free up half the week to do what you wanted to do like going shopping or laying about the house or doing homework or whatever you needed to do.

When my son was in high-school they used a class schedule similar to this so they could have longer classes, and take some subjects on Tue/thur and others on Mon/Wed/Fri. This works great for a math class when the homework takes longer to do and allows the instructor to go over tough areas that need a longer continuous block of instruction. I am not so sure how well it would be if it was a boring history lecture class, however if you had a Tues/Thur class you only had it 2 days a week. This had an additional advantage because you only needed to carry half the books to school at any given time.

It would be possible to actually share a school building for 2 schools with a plan like this and have half the kids come on one day and half coming the next day.
 

TWills

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Originally posted by: shrumpage
parental involment.

less tv at home.

no "zero tolerance" polcies - give administrators the ability to handle situations as they see fit.

a required personal finance class for highschoolers.

This looks good to me, parental involvement/actual parenting a must
 

piasabird

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Another Idea I was thinking about is forcing the school systems to finish up FALL before Christmas and starting Spring sem on the 3rd of January. The problem I see is the teachers unions want to force a bunch of training days which makes for a longer school year. They should have to go to training on Saturday or something like that. In college we have an In-training week in the fall when teachers come in and do training and have orientation and catch up on what is going on. There is no reason why you could not have like a week of training during the first and last week of the summer, to allow for required training.
 

piasabird

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In Korea they go half a day on Saturday. Of course they also go out and plant trees on Arbor Day. The Japanese and the korean war caused a lot of deforestation in Korea, so they plant trees all on the same day. In korea the students also have to clean the school. If you have to clean the school you tend to take better care of it.
 

cKGunslinger

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Originally posted by: GTaudiophile

01) National uniform standard. (Keep it cheap and simple.)
- Agreed. Uniforms would eliminate many of the social problems that plague some schools.

02) Segregation of schools by gender until junior year of high school.
- What is the basis for this? Gender plays little difference in students during their early years. What would you gain by separating them?

03) Limit all sex/drug/alcohol/sensitivity/liberal education to one week of school during one grade.
- *shrug*

04) Go to an all-year school schedule/no long summers.
- Yeah, I'm thinking this would be a good idea.

05) Increase pay for teachers to a national average of $60K/year.
- Only if we increase teacher performance evaluations and get rid of the non-performers.

06) Reintroduce the "paddle" for elementary-aged school children.
- Fine, as long as we screen the givers of the punishments, to make sure we don't have sadistic pricks getting off on beating kids

07) Hang the 10 Commandments on all school walls.
- *shrug*

08) If high school-aged kids refuse to learn or drop out, they are forced into the military.
- interesting..

09) Create a law that says that children from middle school on up can have no fewer than 4 hours of homework per night.
- No, 4 hours is probably too much and many teachers woulds have to struggle to fill this and would resort to usless "busy work." Having too much homework is just as useless as having too little.

10) Create a more University-like school week: Math, Science, and English on MWF and Social Studies, PE, Art/Music, Home-Econ/Life Skills on TU and TH.
- Nice idea. Sometimes the classes (especially HS) are broken up into such small segments, you never really gain anything because you are off in a different subject after a mere 50 minutes. And who wants to study Algebra 5 minutes after playing basketball for an hour?

11) Make after-school sports conditional of academic performance.
- I would hope it already is. I wish more "after-school" sports were actually *after* school. Athletes miss so much class time on wasteful things like pep-rallies, bus-rides, etc.

12) Pass a law that prohibits high-school and college-aged students from being drafted into professional sports.
- High-school, yes. College, no.

13) Aside from a typing class and Internet research class, de-emphasize technology from the classroom.
- *shrug*

14) Increased screening of teachers, try to hire teachers who have had work experience outside of the classroom.
- Good idea.

15) Eliminate teacher's union.
- *shrug*

16) Introduce vouchers, forcing schools to improve or close.
- *shrug*

17) Create an atmosphere in the country that praises academic achievement.
- A must, but a potentially impossible goal. How do you do this? You have to de-emphasize the popularity of celebrities, sports stars, etc.

18) Make kids believe that their lives will be sh!t without a good education.
- Again, hard to do when you have drops-outs making millions of $$ by singing, dancing, playing sports, etc and bragging about it constantly.

19) Increase competition amongst students: publicly embarrass students that fail.
20) Increase competition amongst students: promote those that succeed with scholarships, making others envious.
- We definitely nurture kids a bit too much.

21) Students must be able to do two things before graduation in addition to other requirements: A) Balance a checkbook, B) Complete a 1040 form.
- Not bad.

22) Increase the foreign language requirement to a minimum of 6 years.
- That may be a bit much, but yes, being multi-lingual is a *huge* advantage in today's world.

23) Identify "special needs" children earlier on and create special schools/classes for them only. No need for them to bring down a class of 30 to their level.
- Agreed.

24) Reduce classroom sizes to 20 or so max.
- Hard to do, but a must.

25) Make English the official national language in the US classroom.
- It should already be.

26) Elimate all the drugs: Prozac, Riddlin, etc. It's discipline kids need, not drugs.
- Not a school issue, IMO.
 

cKGunslinger

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Originally posted by: piasabird
In Korea they go half a day on Saturday. Of course they also go out and plant trees on Arbor Day. The Japanese and the korean war caused a lot of deforestation in Korea, so they plant trees all on the same day. In korea the students also have to clean the school. If you have to clean the school you tend to take better care of it.

Hmm. an interesting idea. Make a class like Home Economics (required) have a school-cleaning portion? Everyone could learn some cleaning skills and the humility of scrubbing toilets wouldn't be a bad thing, either.

I like it!
 

ciba

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Originally posted by: dmcowen674
Yeah, let's pay teachers the same as waiters and see what happens.

How is it that private schools provide better education with less $/student?

Once people start talking about this elephant, we might have a shot at educational reform.
 

gsaldivar

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Back to basics.

Until students master Reading, Writing, Arithmetic... our schools have NO BUSINESS teaching anything else.

:thumbsup::D
 

colincsl

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Infohawk and GTaudiophile how can you actually think these things?? How long has it been since you've been students. These things seem absurd. About you're list (GTaudiophile):

01) National uniform standard. (Keep it cheap and simple.)
--I don't think this would remove cliques. Plus It tries to make everyone the same - something that should be frowned upon

02) Segregation of schools by gender until junior year of high school.
--Why? There have been studies showing it is better to have genders together during these years.

03) Limit all sex/drug/alcohol/sensitivity/liberal education to one week of school during one grade.
--Why one week?

04) Go to an all-year school schedule/no long summers.
Despite a lot of you saying you like this idea, I don't. I have so much stress right now considering there aren't many days left of school (10 for me before Regents). I would die if I had to stay longer. Also, if we got like say two 1.5 month long breaks teachers would probably give out projects during at least one of them. Summer vacation is nice because there is nothing you have to worry about.

05) Increase pay for teachers to a national average of $60K/year.
--If you increase the quailty of a lot of teachers then maybe. My school system right now though is already pretty close to that AFAIK.

06) Reintroduce the "paddle" for elementary-aged school children.
--Why corporal punishment? Haven't there been studies showing it is better to reward than to punish?

07) Hang the 10 Commandments on all school walls.
--Not everyone is Christian Plus there is a seperation of church and state. I am atheist so I am definitely against it.

08) If high school-aged kids refuse to learn or drop out, they are forced into the military.
--This seems a little harsh. I think people would stay in and hate it (i.e. not learn to remember) instead of dropping out.

09) Create a law that says that children from middle school on up can have no fewer than 4 hours of homework per night.
--I don't think I could picture ever doing 4 hours of homework in one night while I was in 7th grade! Even now it is a lot time, although I often have a little over 3 hours. This takes away from time students can do other things. I for example have gotten into 3d animation and video editing. With a school you're proposing I couldn't venture into new areas.

10) Create a more University-like school week: Math, Science, and English on MWF and Social Studies, PE, Art/Music, Home-Econ/Life Skills on TU and TH.
--It could be a good idea. Although I'm not sure how much I would like it.

11) Make after-school sports conditional of academic performance.
--They already are, aren't they?

12) Pass a law that prohibits high-school and college-aged students from being drafted into professional sports.
--I don't think we need this to be a law. Actually I think there shoudl be a law saying you can't create laws like this. People will do what they want.

13) Aside from a typing class and Internet research class, de-emphasize technology from the classroom.
--Why de-emphasize it? You come to Anandtech and don't like technology??

14) Increased screening of teachers, try to hire teachers who have had work experience outside of the classroom.
--good idea

15) Eliminate teacher's union.
--I don't like the teachers association around here, so I wouldn't mind.

16) Introduce vouchers, forcing schools to improve or close.
What if it's the only school in the area? Would you make them travel an hour to another school? Also this would cause a severe cramping in schools. (Didn't you say you wnat low class sizes?

17) Create an atmosphere in the country that praises academic achievement.
--This is possible how? This seems like the whole country would have to be surrounded by "school is everything."

18) Make kids believe that their lives will be sh!t without a good education.
--The sun is a turqoise color. (if you don't get it, nevermind)

19) Increase competition amongst students: publicly embarrass students that fail.
--again, studies against this behavior

20) Increase competition amongst students: promote those that succeed with scholarships, making others envious.
--could be good, but could also be bad

21) Students must be able to do two things before graduation in addition to other requirements: A) Balance a checkbook, B) Complete a 1040 form.
--ok

22) Increase the foreign language requirement to a minimum of 6 years.
--In New York you have to take up to "French 3," which means 3/4 years depending if you take the honors class the first year or not.

23) Identify "special needs" children earlier on and create special schools/classes for them only. No need for them to bring down a class of 30 to their level.
--I think this could cause more people being diagnosed with special needs than actual people with special needs.

24) Reduce classroom sizes to 20 or so max.
--good idea

25) Make English the official national language in the US classroom.
--isn't it already?

26) Elimate all the drugs: Prozac, Riddlin, etc. It's discipline kids need, not drugs.
--So if there if something mentally wrong with someone we should use that against them? Great idea



Overall I really dislike your harsh style of school. Go back to school again and see what it's like

Oh yeah, and currently I am a sophmore in high school.
 

GTaudiophile

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09) Create a law that says that children from middle school on up can have no fewer than 4 hours of homework per night.
- No, 4 hours is probably too much and many teachers woulds have to struggle to fill this and would resort to usless "busy work." Having too much homework is just as useless as having too little.


BS! From 7th grade onwards, I had at least 3-4 hours of homework per night, if not more, and also on the weekends. (Private school.) Had I not had that much work, I would not have been prepared for GA Tech!

RAKE THEIR LITTLE BRAINS OVER THE COALS WITHOUT MERCI!

 

colincsl

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That's a pretty bad quote to put with what you said. Maybe if you had 1 hour of homework a night you could have been even more prepared
 

GTaudiophile

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01) National uniform standard. (Keep it cheap and simple.)
--I don't think this would remove cliques. Plus It tries to make everyone the same - something that should be frowned upon
Uniforms have a proven calming affect. Less competition amongst students about who looks better or has the most expensive clothing. It's just a distraction. Also prohibts girls from wearing provacative clothing.

02) Segregation of schools by gender until junior year of high school.
--Why? There have been studies showing it is better to have genders together during these years.
I have read the opposite. A few test schools here in the Atlanta area were set up that were single-sex. Test scores, self-esteem, and performance sky-rocketed!

03) Limit all sex/drug/alcohol/sensitivity/liberal education to one week of school during one grade.
--Why one week?
I would prefer nothing, but I was trying to throw the Libs a bone.

04) Go to an all-year school schedule/no long summers.
Despite a lot of you saying you like this idea, I don't. I have so much stress right now considering there aren't many days left of school (10 for me before Regents). I would die if I had to stay longer. Also, if we got like say two 1.5 month long breaks teachers would probably give out projects during at least one of them. Summer vacation is nice because there is nothing you have to worry about.
The Germans can do it, as well as most of Europe and the world. Why can't we? Summers would be shorter, students would forget less, but there would be longer Fall and Spring breaks. Two weeks instead of one for example.

05) Increase pay for teachers to a national average of $60K/year.
--If you increase the quailty of a lot of teachers then maybe. My school system right now though is already pretty close to that AFAIK.
That's why I said national average. I know teachers in Michigan who make $80K but here in GA it's closer to $40K I think. They need to be paid more but standards and expectations also need to rise with pay.

06) Reintroduce the "paddle" for elementary-aged school children.
--Why corporal punishment? Haven't there been studies showing it is better to reward than to punish?
My dad spanked me when necessary and it worked. These spoiled brats need some pain in their lives. The resulting humiliation from classmates would be good too.

07) Hang the 10 Commandments on all school walls.
--Not everyone is Christian Plus there is a seperation of church and state. I am atheist so I am definitely against it.
The 10 Commandments come out of the Old Testament. Christians, Jews, and Muslims refer to them in one way or another. IMO, people/kids need to know there is something greater than themselves, and that is what the 10 Commandments represent to me.

08) If high school-aged kids refuse to learn or drop out, they are forced into the military.
--This seems a little harsh. I think people would stay in and hate it (i.e. not learn to remember) instead of dropping out.
Well, when you turn 18 in Germany, you either go into the military or do community service for one year. If not the military, they need to be forced into some job or service where their feet will be held to the fire. Learn a trade of some sort.

09) Create a law that says that children from middle school on up can have no fewer than 4 hours of homework per night.
--I don't think I could picture ever doing 4 hours of homework in one night while I was in 7th grade! Even now it is a lot time, although I often have a little over 3 hours. This takes away from time students can do other things. I for example have gotten into 3d animation and video editing. With a school you're proposing I couldn't venture into new areas.
I did 4 hours of HW per night from 7th grade onward. In high school, it was more, and that work was done on top of debate team, computer team, German club, etc. I was up until midnight and woke up at 5:30 on most mornings to study. With that work load, kids wouldn't have time to fvck around. Again the key word is discipline!

10) Create a more University-like school week: Math, Science, and English on MWF and Social Studies, PE, Art/Music, Home-Econ/Life Skills on TU and TH.
--It could be a good idea. Although I'm not sure how much I would like it.

11) Make after-school sports conditional of academic performance.
--They already are, aren't they?
They say one thing and do another. Needs better enforcement. Ever see Coach Carter? No one should be able to say that sports participation is more important than academics!

12) Pass a law that prohibits high-school and college-aged students from being drafted into professional sports.
--I don't think we need this to be a law. Actually I think there shoudl be a law saying you can't create laws like this. People will do what they want.
Okay, so college is okay. High school, no. High-school kids/younger than 18 should be off limits from the NBA/NFL/MLB. Olympic sports are different.

13) Aside from a typing class and Internet research class, de-emphasize technology from the classroom.
--Why de-emphasize it? You come to Anandtech and don't like technology??
In too many school systems, they throw MILLIONS at new computers that sit idle instead of buying better chairs or paying teachers more. Having more computers in the classroom is not the answer. Besides, when my classes went to the computer lab, we screwed around more than learned anything.

14) Increased screening of teachers, try to hire teachers who have had work experience outside of the classroom.
--good idea

15) Eliminate teacher's union.
--I don't like the teachers association around here, so I wouldn't mind.

16) Introduce vouchers, forcing schools to improve or close.
What if it's the only school in the area? Would you make them travel an hour to another school? Also this would cause a severe cramping in schools. (Didn't you say you wnat low class sizes?
Product A is bad. People flee to product B. Company X produces product C, based on product B, balance is achieved between products B and C.

17) Create an atmosphere in the country that praises academic achievement.
--This is possible how? This seems like the whole country would have to be surrounded by "school is everything."
Why not? Instead of "Sex Sells" it should be "Brains Sell". Yes, it's daunting, but pop culture would have to be re-written. Again, if the Euros can do it, so can we.

18) Make kids believe that their lives will be sh!t without a good education.
--The sun is a turqoise color. (if you don't get it, nevermind)
I don't get it.

19) Increase competition amongst students: publicly embarrass students that fail.
--again, studies against this behavior
Again, worked for me! I don't give a sh!t about studies. I know what worked at my private school where, aside from family financial status, was pretty diverse.

20) Increase competition amongst students: promote those that succeed with scholarships, making others envious.
--could be good, but could also be bad

21) Students must be able to do two things before graduation in addition to other requirements: A) Balance a checkbook, B) Complete a 1040 form.
--ok

22) Increase the foreign language requirement to a minimum of 6 years.
--In New York you have to take up to "French 3," which means 3/4 years depending if you take the honors class the first year or not.
In Germany, most kids start learning a foreign language, usually English, in 5th grade. In 7th grade, they add a second foreign language, usually French or Russian. They stick with both, plus their German language studies, through the end of their 13th year (in the Gymnasium). Why can't Americans do that?

23) Identify "special needs" children earlier on and create special schools/classes for them only. No need for them to bring down a class of 30 to their level.
--I think this could cause more people being diagnosed with special needs than actual people with special needs.
I don't think kids would be jumping to get on the short bus, so-to-speak.

24) Reduce classroom sizes to 20 or so max.
--good idea

25) Make English the official national language in the US classroom.
--isn't it already?
Officially? I don't think so. What was that whole deal with allowing Eubonics in the classroom a few years ago?

26) Elimate all the drugs: Prozac, Riddlin, etc. It's discipline kids need, not drugs.
--So if there if something mentally wrong with someone we should use that against them? Great idea
No, I am saying, in this country where people demand instant gratification, parents and greedy doctors alike are eager to perscribe mind-altering drugs to 3-year-olds because mommy and daddy let Johny act like a wild ape at home, drinking Coke while playing his PS2 for hours on end. This of course transfers into the classroom. Kids need to be better evaulated before getting such drugs. It shouldn't be so easy. I bet 7 times out of 10, such drugs are perscribed in error. If there was real discipline at home, the drugs would be unnecessary. It would be far easier and inexpensive to limit the PS2 and Coke intake. If Johnny cries at this, whoop his ass!

BTW, I graduated from high school in 1998.
 

shrumpage

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de-emphize techonolgy!

As much as i like computers, internet, gadets, and technology - it needs to be cut back. Computers are great for typing and researching, but people try to shoehorn them into every single class. It teaches kids to be dependant on technology, instead of using it when its needed and to their advantage. Plus they are a big drain on a schools resources: initial high price, maintaince, training, policing, replacing.....

But my biggest pet peeve is: calculators!

Banned from grade and middle school- then limited for high school - reserved for the higher up classes: trig, geom, calc.
 

cKGunslinger

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Originally posted by: shrumpage
de-emphize techonolgy!

As much as i like computers, internet, gadets, and technology - it needs to be cut back. Computers are great for typing and researching, but people try to shoehorn them into every single class. It teaches kids to be dependant on technology, instead of using it when its needed and to their advantage. Plus they are a big drain on a schools resources: initial high price, maintaince, training, policing, replacing.....

But my biggest pet peeve is: calculators!

Banned from grade and middle school- then limited for high school - reserved for the higher up classes: trig, geom, calc.

Exactly..
 

sandorski

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Originally posted by: cKGunslinger
Originally posted by: shrumpage
de-emphize techonolgy!

As much as i like computers, internet, gadets, and technology - it needs to be cut back. Computers are great for typing and researching, but people try to shoehorn them into every single class. It teaches kids to be dependant on technology, instead of using it when its needed and to their advantage. Plus they are a big drain on a schools resources: initial high price, maintaince, training, policing, replacing.....

But my biggest pet peeve is: calculators!

Banned from grade and middle school- then limited for high school - reserved for the higher up classes: trig, geom, calc.

Exactly..

I'd also add: they increase Costs significantly as well.

 

0marTheZealot

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GTaudiophile, what exactly do you do for a living? Those standards are draconian at best. High school is basically sh!t. Few people need it. Hell I barely managed a 4.0 (outta 5) and now I'm getting a doctorate in bio engineering. College is where sh!t matters, imo.
 

GTaudiophile

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Originally posted by: 0marTheZealot
GTaudiophile, what exactly do you do for a living? Those standards are draconian at best. High school is basically sh!t. Few people need it. Hell I barely managed a 4.0 (outta 5) and now I'm getting a doctorate in bio engineering. College is where sh!t matters, imo.

How the fvck can you survive college if you can't handle the work load? I can't tell you how many "smart" kids I met at GA Tech who has 4.0 GPAs in HS, came to Tech, and were gone in a year because they couldn't handle the work load (several hours of homework per night, on weekends, etc.).

When it comes to education, there cannot be enough pressure, competition, hard work, etc. Kids and parents are letting their brains turn to mush these days. Boyfriends, girlfriends, sports, and entertainment are all-too-often more important than academics in too many families.


 

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Originally posted by: gsaldivar
Back to basics.

Until students master Reading, Writing, Arithmetic... our schools have NO BUSINESS teaching anything else.

:thumbsup::D