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Ideal Student?

Geniuses do exist. I know a guy who is REALLY good at math (at least the computation kind such as Calculus and diff eqs). This guy blows through textbooks like I've never seen.

Some people who are really smart lack creativity though. They can ace exams and understand perfectly material that is presented to them, but that does not necessarily mean they will ever make any great breakthroughs in the subject themselves.
 
Originally posted by: LordMorpheus
what a tool. I don't care how smart the kid is, he's a douche and a poor human being for making that list.
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Who cares? Let him bask in his own glory.
 
Originally posted by: Dissipate
Geniuses do exist. I know a guy who is REALLY good at math (at least the computation kind such as Calculus and diff eqs). This guy blows through textbooks like I've never seen.

Some people who are really smart lack creativity though. They can ace exams and understand perfectly material that is presented to them, but that does not necessarily mean they will ever make any great breakthroughs in the subject themselves.
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Yeah, but that's a pretty common myth (that really brilliant people can't think outside of the box). A lot of the time it is that we underlings can't really understand their thought process. They have to really dumb it down for us. A lot of people call it social ineptness, but I just think they are on a different plane. 😛

Anyone that is good at math is smart in my book. I've always struggled with it. I can make good grades if I really pay attention, but it bores me so much that I just hate every waking moment of it.
 
When I was a GSI (at that same school) I sometimes would say stuff like that to my students to humor them. There are some really bright kids there. On the other hand, when I took the undegrad senior level course (my first semester there) as a warm up, I pwned all of them!
 
Originally posted by: LordMorpheus
what a tool. I don't care how smart the kid is, he's a douche and a poor human being for making that list.
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Why? He's basking in what he accomplished. How many threads are there on AT that say "look at my new car" or "I just got a new job paying X" or "look at the house I just bought." Just because the guy has achieved much more in those areas than us doesn't mean he can't pat himself on the back. It may come natural to him or he may really bust his ass. I see no reason to denigrate him for being proud. He didn't exactly say he was better than anyone or that he's the sh!t. He just posted what others said and implied he was proud. I'd be proud too!
 
He has his own facebook group, I think. Or someone set it up for him. I've never met him though.

<-- also goes to Berkeley.
 
Originally posted by: Mill
Originally posted by: Dissipate
Geniuses do exist. I know a guy who is REALLY good at math (at least the computation kind such as Calculus and diff eqs). This guy blows through textbooks like I've never seen.

Some people who are really smart lack creativity though. They can ace exams and understand perfectly material that is presented to them, but that does not necessarily mean they will ever make any great breakthroughs in the subject themselves.
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Yeah, but that's a pretty common myth (that really brilliant people can't think outside of the box). A lot of the time it is that we underlings can't really understand their thought process. They have to really dumb it down for us. A lot of people call it social ineptness, but I just think they are on a different plane. 😛

Anyone that is good at math is smart in my book. I've always struggled with it. I can make good grades if I really pay attention, but it bores me so much that I just hate every waking moment of it.
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Math isn't my thing either. Unfortunately as a computer science major I have to muddle through it. Right now I am taking 3 upper division math classes and it's not fun times (i.e. I can't wait until this quarter is over).

I think sometimes people think they are bad at math when really they just get a bad teacher/professor. I don't know what it is but it seems like it is rare to find a really good math teacher.

Then there are the textbooks. I could rant all day long about some of those. Some math textbooks should have never been written.
 
Originally posted by: Dissipate
Originally posted by: Mill
Originally posted by: Dissipate
Geniuses do exist. I know a guy who is REALLY good at math (at least the computation kind such as Calculus and diff eqs). This guy blows through textbooks like I've never seen.

Some people who are really smart lack creativity though. They can ace exams and understand perfectly material that is presented to them, but that does not necessarily mean they will ever make any great breakthroughs in the subject themselves.
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Yeah, but that's a pretty common myth (that really brilliant people can't think outside of the box). A lot of the time it is that we underlings can't really understand their thought process. They have to really dumb it down for us. A lot of people call it social ineptness, but I just think they are on a different plane. 😛

Anyone that is good at math is smart in my book. I've always struggled with it. I can make good grades if I really pay attention, but it bores me so much that I just hate every waking moment of it.
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Math isn't my thing either. Unfortunately as a computer science major I have to muddle through it. Right now I am taking 3 upper division math classes and it's not fun times (i.e. I can't wait until this quarter is over).

I think sometimes people think they are bad at math when really they just get a bad teacher/professor. I don't know what it is but it seems like it is rare to find a really good math teacher.

Then there are the textbooks. I could rant all day long about some of those. Some math textbooks should have never been written.
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I had a Russian professor named Ivan one semester. It wasn't that he was a bad teacher, but simply was a teacher that can't understand why people can't follow his thought process. For someone that was gifted at math he'd be a great teacher. He was happy to explore everything and anything. Those of us that weren't gifted had a very hard time following him. He was inflexible, too. He scheduled a quiz in advance, and I told him advance that I had court that day and at the time we'd be taking it. He wouldn't allow me to take it earlier or after he'd given the quiz. He said I'd have to pick between "which one was more important." Heh. I understand his point -- and I don't think he was a total jackhole -- but I always seem to have an easier time in classes in which the professor is flexible and cares. I seem to then care more about the class...
 
Originally posted by: Mill
Originally posted by: Dissipate
Originally posted by: Mill
Originally posted by: Dissipate
Geniuses do exist. I know a guy who is REALLY good at math (at least the computation kind such as Calculus and diff eqs). This guy blows through textbooks like I've never seen.

Some people who are really smart lack creativity though. They can ace exams and understand perfectly material that is presented to them, but that does not necessarily mean they will ever make any great breakthroughs in the subject themselves.
Click to expand...

Yeah, but that's a pretty common myth (that really brilliant people can't think outside of the box). A lot of the time it is that we underlings can't really understand their thought process. They have to really dumb it down for us. A lot of people call it social ineptness, but I just think they are on a different plane. 😛

Anyone that is good at math is smart in my book. I've always struggled with it. I can make good grades if I really pay attention, but it bores me so much that I just hate every waking moment of it.
Click to expand...

Math isn't my thing either. Unfortunately as a computer science major I have to muddle through it. Right now I am taking 3 upper division math classes and it's not fun times (i.e. I can't wait until this quarter is over).

I think sometimes people think they are bad at math when really they just get a bad teacher/professor. I don't know what it is but it seems like it is rare to find a really good math teacher.

Then there are the textbooks. I could rant all day long about some of those. Some math textbooks should have never been written.
Click to expand...

I had a Russian professor named Ivan one semester. It wasn't that he was a bad teacher, but simply was a teacher that can't understand why people can't follow his thought process. For someone that was gifted at math he'd be a great teacher. He was happy to explore everything and anything. Those of us that weren't gifted had a very hard time following him. He was inflexible, too. He scheduled a quiz in advance, and I told him advance that I had court that day and at the time we'd be taking it. He wouldn't allow me to take it earlier or after he'd given the quiz. He said I'd have to pick between "which one was more important." Heh. I understand his point -- and I don't think he was a total jackhole -- but I always seem to have an easier time in classes in which the professor is flexible and cares. I seem to then care more about the class...
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That's ridiculous. You should have talked to the dean. What math class was it BTW?
 
Originally posted by: chuckywang
He ain't gonna get in grad school anywhere if his essays are as pompous as that.
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What makes you say that? Universities run on pomp as far as I can tell. It just goes unsaid (usually).
 
Originally posted by: Dissipate
Originally posted by: chuckywang
He ain't gonna get in grad school anywhere if his essays are as pompous as that.
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What makes you say that? Universities run on pomp as far as I can tell. It just goes unsaid (usually).
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I had a friend in high school who had amazing grades + 1600 SAT + 36 ACT + very good writing skills that got rejected from MIT, Harvard, and Yale. He went to Stanford.
 
Originally posted by: chuckywang
Originally posted by: Dissipate
Originally posted by: chuckywang
He ain't gonna get in grad school anywhere if his essays are as pompous as that.
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What makes you say that? Universities run on pomp as far as I can tell. It just goes unsaid (usually).
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I had a friend in high school who had amazing grades + 1600 SAT + 36 ACT + very good writing skills that got rejected from MIT, Harvard, and Yale. He went to Stanford.
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He was rejected because he was pompous? I don't get it.

BTW, MIT, Harvard and Yale look at more than just SAT scores and grades. In fact, I believe MIT has an interview process.
 
Originally posted by: Dissipate
Originally posted by: Mill
Originally posted by: Dissipate
Originally posted by: Mill
Originally posted by: Dissipate
Geniuses do exist. I know a guy who is REALLY good at math (at least the computation kind such as Calculus and diff eqs). This guy blows through textbooks like I've never seen.

Some people who are really smart lack creativity though. They can ace exams and understand perfectly material that is presented to them, but that does not necessarily mean they will ever make any great breakthroughs in the subject themselves.
Click to expand...

Yeah, but that's a pretty common myth (that really brilliant people can't think outside of the box). A lot of the time it is that we underlings can't really understand their thought process. They have to really dumb it down for us. A lot of people call it social ineptness, but I just think they are on a different plane. 😛

Anyone that is good at math is smart in my book. I've always struggled with it. I can make good grades if I really pay attention, but it bores me so much that I just hate every waking moment of it.
Click to expand...

Math isn't my thing either. Unfortunately as a computer science major I have to muddle through it. Right now I am taking 3 upper division math classes and it's not fun times (i.e. I can't wait until this quarter is over).

I think sometimes people think they are bad at math when really they just get a bad teacher/professor. I don't know what it is but it seems like it is rare to find a really good math teacher.

Then there are the textbooks. I could rant all day long about some of those. Some math textbooks should have never been written.
Click to expand...

I had a Russian professor named Ivan one semester. It wasn't that he was a bad teacher, but simply was a teacher that can't understand why people can't follow his thought process. For someone that was gifted at math he'd be a great teacher. He was happy to explore everything and anything. Those of us that weren't gifted had a very hard time following him. He was inflexible, too. He scheduled a quiz in advance, and I told him advance that I had court that day and at the time we'd be taking it. He wouldn't allow me to take it earlier or after he'd given the quiz. He said I'd have to pick between "which one was more important." Heh. I understand his point -- and I don't think he was a total jackhole -- but I always seem to have an easier time in classes in which the professor is flexible and cares. I seem to then care more about the class...
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That's ridiculous. You should have talked to the dean. What math class was it BTW?
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It was a lower-level math class. MA-106 I believe -- Geometry and Algebra. I thought about talking to the Dean -- I'm not a math major obviously -- but even then I didn't want to start trouble or burn any bridges. I tried a few times to talk it over with him again, and he even told me "go take it up with the Dean if you wish." Meh, I just didn't want to create a reason for him to mark down my exams, because lord knows math can be more subjective than objective if the professor wants it to be. He was a stickler for showing your work, too. I'm one of those people that can figure a lot of things out, but I don't always know how I did. It is really a difference in what you are talented at. Some people have no problem showing their work and just "get" math, whereas I don't at all...
 
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