Idea to solve heath-care problems

[Matthiasa]

The production of drugs costs next to nothing yes, however the development of modern drugs can take more then a decade... But I guess people doing the research and testing can just work for free right? For ever drug the passes as mentioned many more fail, those also had people working on them that need to get paid.
The machines, some of them require people using them to use expensive(due to how they are made) markers to make images more clear, or even just to be able to produce an image in the first place.
People will not work for free, they either get paid or move to another field to get paid.
And when doctors make less they move to fields where they make more. That is just how things work. If high level talent is required, the pay needs to be there to draw those people to it otherwise they will do something else.

 

[theeedude]

We will never have true single payer in this country. The best you can hope for is a quasi single payer system in which the rich people still get to pay for vastly better care.

I am fine with that. Single payer basic coverage, if you want bells and whistles, get supplemental insurance.

 

[PrinceofWands]

The production of drugs costs next to nothing yes, however the development of modern drugs can take more then a decade... But I guess people doing the research and testing can just work for free right? For ever drug the passes as mentioned many more fail, those also had people working on them that need to get paid.
The machines, some of them require people using them to use expensive(due to how they are made) markers to make images more clear, or even just to be able to produce an image in the first place.
People will not work for free, they either get paid or move to another field to get paid.
And when doctors make less they move to fields where they make more. That is just how things work. If high level talent is required, the pay needs to be there to draw those people to it otherwise they will do something else.

And yet somehow humanity rose from their ancestors, conquered the face of the planet, rode into space, has been steadily eradicating disease...even though for most of our history the type of earning structure capitalists embrace as essential to everything didn't even exist.

Like I said, innovation/creation is a necessary human act which is the province of genius or accident, and happens ENTIRELY separate from business and industry.

 

[ShawnD1]

If this is true, why doesn't someone go into the business and sell the drugs for less? (I'm seriously asking)

Companies do this. They are called "generic" drugs. You can get no name prozac, no name xanax, no name adderall, etc. I always buy no name tylenol because it's literally half the price.

 

[Matthiasa]

And yet somehow humanity rose from their ancestors, conquered the face of the planet, rode into space, has been steadily eradicating disease...even though for most of our history the type of earning structure capitalists embrace as essential to everything didn't even exist.

Like I said, innovation/creation is a necessary human act which is the province of genius or accident, and happens ENTIRELY separate from business and industry.

The easy diseases have been taken care of for the most part, whats left are "super bugs" which are mutating at a rate with we can barely if at all keep up with. Space also cost a lot of money as well. .

There is a reason why advancement has been accelerating. Not even ~3 centuries ago there was no mechanical travel. Millennia before that it was just foot, horse, or boat. Then in the past 2 centuries we've went from that to the outer reaches of our solar system. Average life span has also more then doubled since that time.

As much as people hate to admit it, money and business has made possible what we have today due to the simple drive for more money. As soon as the money stops innovation will as well.

 

[PrinceofWands]

The easy diseases have been taken care of for the most part, whats left are "super bugs" which are mutating at a rate with we can barely if at all keep up with. Space also cost a lot of money as well. .

There is a reason why advancement has been accelerating. Not even ~3 centuries ago there was no mechanical travel. Millennia before that it was just foot, horse, or boat. Then in the past 2 centuries we've went from that to the outer reaches of our solar system. Average life span has also more then doubled since that time.

As much as people hate to admit it, money and business has made possible what we have today due to the simple drive for more money. As soon as the money stops innovation will as well.

I do not agree, and in my opinion 5000 years of history bear me out. I realize your opinion differs, so I guess it's just an agree to disagree scenario.

 

[JS80]

Sorry I don't want to subsidize some fat fucks or chain smokers' medical costs.

 

[ShawnD1]

Sorry I don't want to subsidize some fat fucks or chain smokers' medical costs.

Studies in both UK and Canada showed that smokers were a net profit to the government because the taxes on cigarettes far surpased the cost of medical care for them.

 

[Dr. Zaus]

First, we do subsidize old people using up all the medicine right now. We would subsidize them a lot less if their estate were to stand good for what they take from society at the end of life.

A student loan like program would not allow for default. You can NOT default student loans and you would NOT be able to default these loans. A percentage would be taken out of your pay check if you chose not to pay your debts, but only for a limited time. This will lead to some people not paying, but many fewer than simply saying "shit, lets just pay for for everyone".

There may well be a race to the bottom; but with regulations that forced transparency, report-cards (from multiple independent sources) and open market information the consumer could make an informed decision regarding the cost/benefit ratio regarding the physician he or she chooses.