Idea on using a new SATA SSD on an older IDE system?

VirtualLarry

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I have this system, which was originally an AMD XP1800+ with 768MB (2x256MB) of DDR-333 RAM. It has a single 500GB HD, with multiple partitions, connected to a Promise Ultra100TX2 IDE controller card. It runs a triple-boot of Win98se, Win2000, and WinXP.

I upgraded to a C2D E4400, 2GB of DDR-400 HyperX. I had to do a repair install of both the Win2000 and WinXP installs to get them to boot on the new hardware.

I was running it that way (and Win98se didn't want to run, kept giving me out of memory errors, then again Win98se doesn't like more than about 768MB-1GB of RAM, it flakes out, even with the Vcache and MaxPhysPage tweaks in the system.ini), and then the mobo died, or something flaked out. It died while running, and refused to boot again.

The mobo was a Conroe865PE, i865P chipset, DDR, AGP 8x, and a C2D CPU. I replaced it with a Gigabyte mobo, that was also a C2D with 865G chipset.

Had some strange issues, since the boot drive was on the Promise controller, it defaulted the driver upon the first boot with the new mobo to an older in-box promise controller driver, the one for the ultra66, which was wierd, since normally, that driver doesn't install with the Ultra100TX2 or Ultra133TX2 cards. So I don't know how it went haywire. I somehow managed to get the right driver installed (I hope). But in the meantime, I munged the FAT somehow. (Oh yeah, all of the OS partitions are on FAT32 volumes.) Rebooting the rig and running a checkdisk revealed no further disk corruption, but I'm still going to pull my recent backups and do a full file-compare to make certain.

Well, I have several identical 500GB IDE HDs stockpiled to use for this system when the main HD dies.

But my concern about whether the low-level format will stay intact, over, say, 10-15 years worth of storage time, prompts me to consider replacing the IDE HD with an SSD.

Since they don't make desktop IDE SSDs, only in laptop SATA form-factor, I'll need to use an adaptor.

I picked up a stock of IDE-to-SATA/SATA-to-IDE (Bi-dir) adaptors at MeritLine.com recently to resell, and I was thinking of using one of those, to connect a SATA SSD to my Promise Ultra100TX2 controller. I realize that in this configuration, TRIM won't be supported, so I was thinking of getting a nice, fairly big, OCZ Vertex SSD, the one with the Indilinx Barefoot controller, that has the built-in garbage collection.

My motivation isn't so much speed, as it is durability. With my limited usage of this SSD, I'm hoping that it lasts for 10 years or more.

My question is, will using a SATA HD "overpower" the SATA-to-IDE adaptor? In the FW thread about this adaptor, here , there were some issues with it:
I received mine Monday, and it worked perfectly with PATA HDs and three different types of SATA ports (Nvidia, VIA, Silicon Image, and Initio USB-SATA bridge chips in WD USB drive enclosures), but every SATA HD I tried (WD, Samsung, Seagate) and connected to PATA ports by VIA, Nvidia, Intel, Promise, and Silicon Image would freeze when tested with HDAT2's surface scan, at anywhere from 1-5% of completion. OTOH slower diagnostics, like MHDD and Chkdsk ran fine. The SATA-PATA bridge chip was a SunPlusIT SATAlink SPIF223A-HL022. Some other SATA-PATA adapters are based on other chips.

Cannot boot if connected to PATA DVD or CD drives.
Meritline.com no longer even carries this adaptor, they seemed to have removed the product listing mere days after I ordered, which doesn't seem like a very good sign to me. They must have been getting a lot of returns. (This isn't even one of their stocked items, it drop-ships from HK.)

They do now sell a different adaptor, also bi-dir, that uses a Jmicron chipset. I'm wondering if that one works better. (Edit: I just checked, and the links in the FW thread to the "new" adaptor are bringing up a blank product page now too. What's the deal with that?)

My second question is, if I purchase a "larger" SSD, can I somehow tell the SSD to use more of the space for spare sectors? The way I currently have my OS partitions set up, they don't go beyond the 24-bit LBA boundary. (I have some NTFS partitions past that.)

If I move my work partition onto a secondary magnetic HD on the same controller (port 2), then can I resize my SSD to 128GB or so, and tell it to use the remaining GBs internally as a spare sector pool? Would the "SET LBA LIMIT" command do that, or would I need some sort of special SSD diagnostic program to do that (which may be unavailable to users).
 

VirtualLarry

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Try again, I want to keep the PATA interface card, because it supports Win98se as well as W2K/XP. The card you linked only says this: "the Koutech IO-PESA202 includes drivers for most Windows operating systems including Windows 2000/XP or Windows Server 2003."

Edit: My bad. I was going by the newegg product description. The actual specifications page does list Win98se.
 

M0RPH

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Why do you need to run Windows 98? :confused:

I'm really confused by your post... you're saying that your motherboard doesn't have any sata ports, right? And the reason you don't want to install a pci sata controller is because you can't find one that is supported in Win 98SE ?
 

ss284

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Originally posted by: VirtualLarry

Try again, I want to keep the PATA interface card, because it supports Win98se as well as W2K/XP. The card you linked only says this: "the Koutech IO-PESA202 includes drivers for most Windows operating systems including Windows 2000/XP or Windows Server 2003."

Under the specifications:

Operating Systems Supported Supports Windows 98SE/ME/2000/XP/Server 2003/Vista
 

Old Hippie

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I've tried 3 different IDE to SATA adaptors.

All were flakey in one way or another and I've never read a review where one worked in all circumstances.

Hopefully you can find one that works well in your particular situation.
 

VirtualLarry

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Well, perhaps im wrong. Maybe it would be a better idea to use a PCI SATA controller card. I just need to ensure Win98se and 48bit LBA compatibility.
 

ss284

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Originally posted by: VirtualLarry
Well, perhaps im wrong. Maybe it would be a better idea to use a PCI SATA controller card. I just need to ensure Win98se and 48bit LBA compatibility.

Either you are wrong, or newegg/koutech is wrong about their own product. Its only $11 and it is a better idea to use a known working controller instead of some finicky adapter that people have reported not to work.
 

VirtualLarry

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I think the reason that I didn't initially lean towards using the PCI SATA controller, is because I have a PCI SATA controller in the system already. It's a SI3114 card, Syba brand, 4-port SATA150 PCI card. It's flashed to the newest RAID BIOS, with four 500GB WD SATA HDs. When my mobo went out, I didn't transfer over the RAID card and the four 500GB HDs.

Anyways, they do have Win98se drivers, but only for the older BIOSes. I suppose I could re-flash to the "IDE BIOS" (no raid functionality), and install them that way, because they stopped supporting the Win98se drivers, when they added RAID5 support to the RAID BIOS. (So right now, I have RAID5 support in W2K/XP, and in the BIOS on the card, but the Win98se drivers for that card aren't even installed, because I have no idea if they will cause issues, since the Win98se driver doesn't support RAID5.)