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Lifer
Pretty much what I would expect from a fascist.
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Idaho Republican Senator that says he doesn't drink caught DUI
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Pretty much what I would expect from a fascist.
BladeVenom
Lifer
But if it had been a liberal, you'd be making excuses for him.
Ted Kennedy killed a woman, and liberals didn't care.
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As long as he apologize, it's OK with the people here in Idaho. We know he's still getting paid by the NRA, he's still anti-gay, he's still a Mormon, and most important of all, we all know he'll do what he can to make sure Obama will fail as the President. We still love the guy.
Too bad you can't hold your own worthless scum to the same standards. Defective brains always point to the other side.
It's called politics, it's only wrong when the guy across the aisle does the deed.
Engineer
Elite Member
Some of us don't give a shit if it were the pope, president, dem, rep. My statement above stands for ALL.
Lemon law
Lifer
Where does the assumption come from that ole Senator Crapo was drunk out of his mind when he ran a red light. Or that it was alcohol that the proximate cause of his running the red light? When many other sober drivers run Red lights too. Just one moment of inattention, especially on unfamiliar roads is all it takes.
Then when we talk about all the recent hysteria about drunk driving, most states used to define the limits of drunk driving at a blood alcohol level of 0.1 %, barely above what Crapo, blew in what amounts to a an inaccurate tests of a breartalizer. That does not accurately measure blood alcohol content. And even better yet many States are reducing that drunk driving standard from 0.1 to 0.08. Which is now so low that drinking one beer, one glass of wine, or one mixed drink with a meal is all it takes to blow .08. And woe be to that small man or woman that weighs 100 pounds, when some hefty man or woman that weights twice that or more could twice more alcohol and still have a blood alcohol level under 0.08. Then there are three more factors left at least. (1) If someone has full stomach when they take that drink with full meal , they can tolerate more than one beer, but if they drink on an empty stomach, watch out. (2) Lets take the fool that get pulled over for running a red light immediately after they take just one sip of alcohol, a breathalizer will peg its meter, while the gold standard test of blood alcohol content would register near zero. (3) There are many many many over the counter and prescription medications that contain substantial quantities of alcohol. The fine print may warn the user not to operate machinery, but no one reads the fine print.
After that I have three more things to say.
(A) That I lemon law, as a partisan democrat, should never be caught dead defending a Republirat. But sometimes the truth trumps partisan politics.
(B) Or that I Lemon law have a long history of drinking while driving. And my rant is based solely on all my zero arrests for drunk driving. As I never never drink before driving.
(3) As my rant is based on my experiences. When I was rear ended by a drunk driver. If my wife had been been a few milliseconds slower when she turned left off a State highway for a left turn she signaled, I could not post this rant, because I would be pushing up daisies in some graveyard in 1998. But when a drunk driver moved to the left lane and passed a long line of cars behind us, his two ton panel van was going at least 80 MPH. And just chipped my wife's bumper. The rear windshield was powered, her Trunk was pushed up all the way to where the back seat was, as we spun around more than once, but we still walked away with minor bruises. As for the drunk driver, he would have kept driving except the impact blew his radiator, and in so doing disabled his Van. As he too emerged uninjured.
As our drunk driver walked back to the scene of the accident to face the music and await the cops and the wreckers. Wasn't he cute, five foot zero, and skinny as a rail. And when the cops showed up, he knew the drill, as a county mounty interviewed my wife, and a Indiana state cop interviewed the drunk driver. Within moments the state cop had the drunk driver in handcuffs and the kindly Indiana Boone county drove my wife and I home along with the few possessions we could salvage from my wife's ruptured trunk.
Maybe shit happens, and we could thank out lucky stars we survived. But But no, that was only the start of our law enforcement hypocrisy.
When we soon found out our drunk driver was a HTV which is habitual traffic criminal who had already lost his drivers license for life seven years before , that our real nightmare began.
As step, our HTV declined to take a breathalizer test or a blood alcohol test on the night of his arrest. As the consequences were zero, because failing to do so could only result in the loss of his drivers license he lost for life seven years ago. As our perp made bond next morning, even if the criminal charges did not go away. But then the fix was in in Boone County, Indiana. Turns out our drunk driver was suffering from Hepatitis, and if Boone County Indian arrested our drunk driver and refused him bond, then Boone County Indiana tax payers could become responsible for paying for his medical care if he was tried and convicted, and sent to jail. Than you Jeffery Edens, then a deputy prosecutor for helping our drunk driver to obtaining at least seven contentiousness that lasted over a year. As for our insurance company Geico, they happily paid for our car damages minus our deductible because we had uninsured motorists. But when we asked Geico to step up to the late, and make sure drunk drivers are kept off the road, Geico was missing in action. Same thing when I wrote Mothers against drunk drivers, and they did nothing either. I went to my local newspaper too, and when the judge in question first denied issuing all those contentiousness, initially, later checked his record and confessed that it was true, As all we could ask is that our drunk driver at least paid our deductible, but the judges promises proved hollow in the end. As Boone county later dismissed all charges, against the drunk driver. And we never saw a dime of compensation as our drunk driver skated away. And our drunk driver kept driving for years and years, until finally one Indiana County stepped up to plate and finally sent him jail. Kinda lost track of our drunk driver after that.
But lesson learned, if the cops catch some poor smuck blowing a few points above O.08, and the smuck has a few dimes to rub together, they will hang that miscreat upside down and keep skaking until every nickle the fellow has goes to attorneys and every fraudulent Charlton alcohol counselor in what amounts to a giant shakedown fraud. But if the same smuck the cops arrest, does not have two nickles to rub together, they skate off scott free. As there are two standards of justice here, why act in the public interests when there is no profit to be had.
But when they catch some marginal drunk, everyone wins, local attorney's, county prosecutors offices get their cut, and even better yet, Insurance companies can charge higher rates to the miscreant, and even better yet, you and I have to pay higher rates for uninsured motorist's coverage. Because the Insurance companies just love uninsured drunk drivers.
Then when we talk about all the recent hysteria about drunk driving, most states used to define the limits of drunk driving at a blood alcohol level of 0.1 %, barely above what Crapo, blew in what amounts to a an inaccurate tests of a breartalizer. That does not accurately measure blood alcohol content. And even better yet many States are reducing that drunk driving standard from 0.1 to 0.08. Which is now so low that drinking one beer, one glass of wine, or one mixed drink with a meal is all it takes to blow .08. And woe be to that small man or woman that weighs 100 pounds, when some hefty man or woman that weights twice that or more could twice more alcohol and still have a blood alcohol level under 0.08. Then there are three more factors left at least. (1) If someone has full stomach when they take that drink with full meal , they can tolerate more than one beer, but if they drink on an empty stomach, watch out. (2) Lets take the fool that get pulled over for running a red light immediately after they take just one sip of alcohol, a breathalizer will peg its meter, while the gold standard test of blood alcohol content would register near zero. (3) There are many many many over the counter and prescription medications that contain substantial quantities of alcohol. The fine print may warn the user not to operate machinery, but no one reads the fine print.
After that I have three more things to say.
(A) That I lemon law, as a partisan democrat, should never be caught dead defending a Republirat. But sometimes the truth trumps partisan politics.
(B) Or that I Lemon law have a long history of drinking while driving. And my rant is based solely on all my zero arrests for drunk driving. As I never never drink before driving.
(3) As my rant is based on my experiences. When I was rear ended by a drunk driver. If my wife had been been a few milliseconds slower when she turned left off a State highway for a left turn she signaled, I could not post this rant, because I would be pushing up daisies in some graveyard in 1998. But when a drunk driver moved to the left lane and passed a long line of cars behind us, his two ton panel van was going at least 80 MPH. And just chipped my wife's bumper. The rear windshield was powered, her Trunk was pushed up all the way to where the back seat was, as we spun around more than once, but we still walked away with minor bruises. As for the drunk driver, he would have kept driving except the impact blew his radiator, and in so doing disabled his Van. As he too emerged uninjured.
As our drunk driver walked back to the scene of the accident to face the music and await the cops and the wreckers. Wasn't he cute, five foot zero, and skinny as a rail. And when the cops showed up, he knew the drill, as a county mounty interviewed my wife, and a Indiana state cop interviewed the drunk driver. Within moments the state cop had the drunk driver in handcuffs and the kindly Indiana Boone county drove my wife and I home along with the few possessions we could salvage from my wife's ruptured trunk.
Maybe shit happens, and we could thank out lucky stars we survived. But But no, that was only the start of our law enforcement hypocrisy.
When we soon found out our drunk driver was a HTV which is habitual traffic criminal who had already lost his drivers license for life seven years before , that our real nightmare began.
As step, our HTV declined to take a breathalizer test or a blood alcohol test on the night of his arrest. As the consequences were zero, because failing to do so could only result in the loss of his drivers license he lost for life seven years ago. As our perp made bond next morning, even if the criminal charges did not go away. But then the fix was in in Boone County, Indiana. Turns out our drunk driver was suffering from Hepatitis, and if Boone County Indian arrested our drunk driver and refused him bond, then Boone County Indiana tax payers could become responsible for paying for his medical care if he was tried and convicted, and sent to jail. Than you Jeffery Edens, then a deputy prosecutor for helping our drunk driver to obtaining at least seven contentiousness that lasted over a year. As for our insurance company Geico, they happily paid for our car damages minus our deductible because we had uninsured motorists. But when we asked Geico to step up to the late, and make sure drunk drivers are kept off the road, Geico was missing in action. Same thing when I wrote Mothers against drunk drivers, and they did nothing either. I went to my local newspaper too, and when the judge in question first denied issuing all those contentiousness, initially, later checked his record and confessed that it was true, As all we could ask is that our drunk driver at least paid our deductible, but the judges promises proved hollow in the end. As Boone county later dismissed all charges, against the drunk driver. And we never saw a dime of compensation as our drunk driver skated away. And our drunk driver kept driving for years and years, until finally one Indiana County stepped up to plate and finally sent him jail. Kinda lost track of our drunk driver after that.
But lesson learned, if the cops catch some poor smuck blowing a few points above O.08, and the smuck has a few dimes to rub together, they will hang that miscreat upside down and keep skaking until every nickle the fellow has goes to attorneys and every fraudulent Charlton alcohol counselor in what amounts to a giant shakedown fraud. But if the same smuck the cops arrest, does not have two nickles to rub together, they skate off scott free. As there are two standards of justice here, why act in the public interests when there is no profit to be had.
But when they catch some marginal drunk, everyone wins, local attorney's, county prosecutors offices get their cut, and even better yet, Insurance companies can charge higher rates to the miscreant, and even better yet, you and I have to pay higher rates for uninsured motorist's coverage. Because the Insurance companies just love uninsured drunk drivers.
shortylickens
No Lifer
Actually, I dont think theres any liberals apologizing for Teddy any more.
Don't be so quick to speak for all of us, based on your username I only live about 15 miles away from you. I can honestly say I don't agree with anything you just posted.
I think Crapo is a hypocrite who speaks out of one side of his mouth and does something different when not being watched. Larry Craig was exactly the same. To say you are fine with this as long as he opposes Obama speaks volumes about your character.
Btw, Bannock county was about 60% repub / 40% democrat in the last election, doesn't exactly support your statement.
http://www.bannockcounty.us/elections/bc_2012_gen/
edit: almost forgot, happy holidays
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http://www.crapo.senate.gov/about_mike/AwardsFamily.cfm
He sure touts them as accomplishments. Such a great outstanding citizen ()🙂
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Perhaps I should had put my statement in [sarcasm] [/sarcasm]?
Color me unsurprised, conservatives KNOW their laws are BS, thats why they chose not to follow them.
Thanks for clarifying. My sarcasm detector is obviously broken. For a bit you sounded like Spidey.
Pr0d1gy
Diamond Member
Psychotic much? I'll take Nazi Punishment Measures for $500, Alex.
Engineer
Elite Member
Tough shit. As far as I'm concerned, it's attempted manslaughter/murder. No different than taking a gun out and spinning in a circle and shooting wildly, but I guess that would be OK as long as you don't hit anyone, eh?
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werepossum
Elite Member
Ah, yet another victim of alcohol enemas.
😀 Kind of like the difference between Baptists and Methodists - a Methodist will speak to you in the liquor store.
I don't necessarily disagree with your point, but to prevent intoxicated and dangerous drivers one must set a limit, preferably a limit at which everyone remains safe to drive. (Or at least as safe as they are sober.) The only way to not punish marginal but safe drunks (and running a red light argues against Crapo meeting this definition) is to accept marginally unsafe drunks, and if Crapo is telling the truth about not being a regular drinker, he might well be very dangerous at 0.11%. For instance, I've not been drunk or even tipsy in over thirty years; I suspect I would be significantly more impaired at 0.11% than would a regular heavy drinker. Given that, Crapo deserves the full punishment of the law - assuming his blood alcohol test verifies his Breathalyzer test. And if he refused to take a blood test then he should suffer the prescribed penalty - probably losing his license for a year - even if he beats the criminal rap. One can always call a cab or a friend, especially given his wealth. No breaks for those who choose to compromise others' safety for their own convenience.
And yes, penalties are far too lenient on the very worst offenders. I know a lawyer who pleaded one client not guilty to second offence DUI - but offered to plead guilty to first offense DUI. His plea was accepted, making his eleventh conviction on first offense DUI. You don't get much more egregious violations of the law's intent than that, and if/when he kills someone, the judges and the lawyer morally will be partially responsible for their parts in subverting the law.
Engineer
Elite Member
Exactly why there should be no 2nd chance on DUI.
werepossum
Elite Member
I can accept a second chance on DUI - anyone can make a mistake - but I think it should end there. Second offense should be mandatory five years imprisonment and lifetime vehicle starting sobriety testing. Third offense should be mandatory life imprisonment without possibility of parole. And no one should be able to plead to one level more than once. Here in Chattanooga we had a dentist who was arrested for DUI (many such previous arrests and I think a few convictions) who was pulled over only a day or two later, again driving drunk. The judge took his car, and only a day or two later he was arrested trying to rent a car. People who show such reckless disregard for others' safety should not be free.
If you've ever driven drunk, you owe it to society to take steps to ensure it never happens again. There is zero excuse for making that mistake twice. I cannot imagine how someone lives with himself after killing an innocent while driving intoxicated - or distracted, for that matter. Cars are more lethal than guns and deserve an appropriate amount of respect in operation.
Engineer
Elite Member
That's why there should be no second chance. If a member of your family were killed by someone on DUI on their first chance, it's just an accident, right? Only if they get killed on the 2nd or 3rd or... DUI would it not be an accident? Sorry, if you take the chance on my life or anyone else by DUI, you should get a harsh ass punishment and no chance to get out of that punishment.
BladeVenom
Lifer
🙄 I'm not saying he shouldn't be charged. I'm all for politicians and reporters being held to at least the same standard as the rest of us.
However when a liberal reporter commits a crime, you are the first one to defend him. You are the hypocrite who doesn't think David Gregory should be charged.
buckshot24
Diamond Member
If I was a drug user and I told people that doing drugs is wrong and it hurts your health, whats wrong with that?
If somebody "preaches" against certain vices that doesn't mean they are perfect human beings that won't make any mistakes.
Pr0d1gy
Diamond Member
People make mistakes, Hitler. In America, we try to accept that there is at least some marginal risk in living your life. Of course, Fear Nazis like you would throw everyone in jail who farted in public if given the chance. Carry on, but don't expect that there isn't an entire generation of Americans being raised to laugh at your fear-mongering.
Engineer
Elite Member
Comparing my stance on DUI to Hitler is laughable at best. Just remember if someone in your family was killed by a DUI, it was simply a mistake. My brother made that mistake and fortunately, it was his life and not some other's that was taken.
I'm sure that the tens of thousands of victims and families that get killed because of DUI think of themselves as "marginal".
People that DUI and put my life, my wife's life, my kid's life and everyone else who is out there at risk just because they got drunk and "made a mistake" should be punished severely for that mistake. No excuses because they damn well know better before doing it. If you don't like my stance, tough shit. I sure the fuck don't like yours.
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