I'd like to give Linux a try.

[R3MF]

SUSE 10.2 on the 7th Dec if you can wait that long

 

[DasFox]

Originally posted by: Hyperblaze

Originally posted by: Robor
From what I've read I think Gentoo would be a nightmare for a beginning Linux user. It's a big enough change going from Windows to an 'easy' distro like Ubuntu (my preference) or Fedora Core.

I recommend Ubuntu. It's very popular and hence has a large user base and excellent community support.

It's really not THAT bad. Gentoo is an ideal distro if you really want to LEARN about the system. Again, it all depends on your focus.

It's a big enough change from going from Windows to Ubuntu?

Are you afraid of the command line by any chance?

This is not correct at all. If you want to learn about the system, which is Linux, then you use Slackware to learn about Linux.

I'm not saying this either as a Slackware fan boy, these are the facts. Slackware is the purest form of Linux, and the most Unix like.

Anyone who has been around the Linux OS knows this. This is not hear say, this again is a fact within the Linux community regarding how different distros relate to one another.

When you want to really learn Linux, then that is the distro you use.

ALOHA

 

[Hyperblaze]

Originally posted by: DasFox

Originally posted by: Hyperblaze

Originally posted by: Robor
From what I've read I think Gentoo would be a nightmare for a beginning Linux user. It's a big enough change going from Windows to an 'easy' distro like Ubuntu (my preference) or Fedora Core.

I recommend Ubuntu. It's very popular and hence has a large user base and excellent community support.

It's really not THAT bad. Gentoo is an ideal distro if you really want to LEARN about the system. Again, it all depends on your focus.

It's a big enough change from going from Windows to Ubuntu?

Are you afraid of the command line by any chance?

This is not correct at all. If you want to learn about the system, which is Linux, then you use Slackware to learn about Linux.

I'm not saying this either as a Slackware fan boy, these are the facts. Slackware is the purest form of Linux, and the most Unix like.

Anyone who has been around the Linux OS knows this. This is not hear say, this again is a fact within the Linux community regarding how different distros relate to one another.

When you want to really learn Linux, then that is the distro you use.

ALOHA

apparantly your reading comprehension needs some work.

I can guarantee that you will LEARN more about Linux and how it works using Gentoo then any other distro.

I grew up on Slackware, FYI. I know how it is as a distro. I've also used Gentoo, and know how it works. I've stated my opinion based on my experience. For you to say I'm wrong in my freaking opinion makes me wonder how old you are.

 

[bongsteen]

try one of these http://distrowatch.com/ , you might find which one you like.

 

[nweaver]

I am going to agree with the statement that Gentoo is a good distro to teach about the guts of linux. A stage one install, while a waste of time for someone who knows/doesn't care, is great to learn about lots of different things. I don't use gentoo at all anymore, but I learned alot while I did, that I don't think I would have learned using RedHat or Debian.

 

[Brazen]

Originally posted by: Hyperblaze

Originally posted by: DasFox

Originally posted by: Hyperblaze

Originally posted by: Robor
From what I've read I think Gentoo would be a nightmare for a beginning Linux user. It's a big enough change going from Windows to an 'easy' distro like Ubuntu (my preference) or Fedora Core.

I recommend Ubuntu. It's very popular and hence has a large user base and excellent community support.

It's really not THAT bad. Gentoo is an ideal distro if you really want to LEARN about the system. Again, it all depends on your focus.

It's a big enough change from going from Windows to Ubuntu?

Are you afraid of the command line by any chance?

This is not correct at all. If you want to learn about the system, which is Linux, then you use Slackware to learn about Linux.

I'm not saying this either as a Slackware fan boy, these are the facts. Slackware is the purest form of Linux, and the most Unix like.

Anyone who has been around the Linux OS knows this. This is not hear say, this again is a fact within the Linux community regarding how different distros relate to one another.

When you want to really learn Linux, then that is the distro you use.

ALOHA

apparantly your reading comprehension needs some work.

I can guarantee that you will LEARN more about Linux and how it works using Gentoo then any other distro.

I grew up on Slackware, FYI. I know how it is as a distro. I've also used Gentoo, and know how it works. I've stated my opinion based on my experience. For you to say I'm wrong in my freaking opinion makes me wonder how old you are.

You're both wrong. You will learn more with LFS. Any argument against this would be an exersice in futility.

 

[Brazen]

dp

 

[nweaver]

no, because gentoo has some package management, which every good distro must have. Does LFS have that?


Not to mention, have you done a stage 1? I have, on a P2 450 with 256 MB ram....that left more then a few minutes to read up on documentation....

 

[Hyperblaze]

Originally posted by: Brazen

Originally posted by: Hyperblaze

Originally posted by: DasFox

Originally posted by: Hyperblaze

Originally posted by: Robor
From what I've read I think Gentoo would be a nightmare for a beginning Linux user. It's a big enough change going from Windows to an 'easy' distro like Ubuntu (my preference) or Fedora Core.

I recommend Ubuntu. It's very popular and hence has a large user base and excellent community support.

It's really not THAT bad. Gentoo is an ideal distro if you really want to LEARN about the system. Again, it all depends on your focus.

It's a big enough change from going from Windows to Ubuntu?

Are you afraid of the command line by any chance?

This is not correct at all. If you want to learn about the system, which is Linux, then you use Slackware to learn about Linux.

I'm not saying this either as a Slackware fan boy, these are the facts. Slackware is the purest form of Linux, and the most Unix like.

Anyone who has been around the Linux OS knows this. This is not hear say, this again is a fact within the Linux community regarding how different distros relate to one another.

When you want to really learn Linux, then that is the distro you use.

ALOHA

apparantly your reading comprehension needs some work.

I can guarantee that you will LEARN more about Linux and how it works using Gentoo then any other distro.

I grew up on Slackware, FYI. I know how it is as a distro. I've also used Gentoo, and know how it works. I've stated my opinion based on my experience. For you to say I'm wrong in my freaking opinion makes me wonder how old you are.

You're both wrong. You learn more using LFS. Any argument against this would be an exercise in futility.

err....technically you are correct

that being said, keep in mind this is someone NEW to linux

Let's not overwhelm someone TOO much

 

[Hyperblaze]

Originally posted by: nweaver
no, because gentoo has some package management, which every good distro must have. Does LFS have that?


Not to mention, have you done a stage 1? I have, on a P2 450 with 256 MB ram....that left more then a few minutes to read up on documentation....

that was his point.

Gentoo has a good package management (ie, emerge). I've never tried LFS myself, but from reading about it, I don't think it does.

Hense his point, you really REALLY get to know and understand linux by installing it from scratch. No automation.

 

[imported_LoKe]

You can compile in any distro, Gentoo will just let you watch scrolling text.

I'll pass.

 

[Brazen]

Originally posted by: Hyperblaze

that was his point.

Gentoo has a good package management (ie, emerge). I've never tried LFS myself, but from reading about it, I don't think it does.

Hense his point, you really REALLY get to know and understand linux by installing it from scratch. No automation.

You took the words right out of my mouth

 

[Brazen]

Originally posted by: Hyperblaze

You're both wrong. You learn more using LFS. Any argument against this would be an exercise in futility.

err....technically you are correct

that being said, keep in mind this is someone NEW to linux

Let's not overwhelm someone TOO much [/quote]

I agree, but the same could be said about recommending Gentoo or Slackware. Which is why I recommnend Ubuntu, or in 2nd place, Fedora.

 

[Hyperblaze]

Originally posted by: Brazen

Originally posted by: Hyperblaze

You're both wrong. You learn more using LFS. Any argument against this would be an exercise in futility.

err....technically you are correct

that being said, keep in mind this is someone NEW to linux

Let's not overwhelm someone TOO much

I agree, but the same could be said about recommending Gentoo or Slackware. Which is why I recommnend Ubuntu, or in 2nd place, Fedora.[/quote]

You'll never see me recommending Ubuntu. Fedora maybe

I only recommended Gentoo if his focus was to learn about the operating system really.

If he just wants something that works so he can work with it, then Fedora Core it is

 

[Nothinman]

Hense his point, you really REALLY get to know and understand linux by installing it from scratch. No automation.

Actually the main thing it'll teach you is how to figure out what depends on what and how to do './configure && make && make install'.

 

[imported_LoKe]

Originally posted by: Nothinman

Hense his point, you really REALLY get to know and understand linux by installing it from scratch. No automation.

Actually the main thing it'll teach you is how to figure out what depends on what and how to do './configure && make && make install'.

Don't have to use Gentoo to compile things. You can do that in any distro.

 

[Nothinman]

Don't have to use Gentoo to compile things. You can do that in any distro.

No, but with LFS you have no choice and you have to figure out the correct order to build everything in to get the base system going. Well actually I'm sure the order is documented, but you still have to do it exactly right for it to work.

 

[Brazen]

Originally posted by: Nothinman

Hense his point, you really REALLY get to know and understand linux by installing it from scratch. No automation.

Actually the main thing it'll teach you is how to figure out what depends on what and how to do './configure && make && make install'.

And knowing it half the battle.

 

[Brazen]

Originally posted by: Hyperblaze

You'll never see me recommending Ubuntu.

Why not?

 

[Hyperblaze]

Originally posted by: Brazen

Originally posted by: Hyperblaze

You'll never see me recommending Ubuntu.

Why not?

I don't like the file archiecture and package manager.

It just rubs me the wrong way.

It's a personal thing between debian and I.

If I had to use it professionally, I would. Never let personal opinions affect you professionally.

 

[Brazen]

Originally posted by: Hyperblaze

It's a personal thing between debian and I.

Ha, you make is sound so "deep."

I don't like the file archiecture and package manager.

It just rubs me the wrong way.

I actually agree on those points. I _like_ Redhat's aborted version of the linux file structure (something a lot of linux diehards used to complain about). And I like the command line "yum" WAY better than the command line "apt-get" BUT I like Synaptic MUCH better than Yumex (and Yumex much better than those two default tools - Pup and whatever). Granted I have not used the yum gui tools in at least a good couple of months and Yumex at least at one time was being rapidly developed. (I do however use Yum regularly as I admin a couple CentOS servers, my home laptop though is Ubuntu.)

My reasons for liking Debian/Ubuntu over Redhat/Fedora are more political and philosophical than technical. I do prefer Synaptic though, and I like that Ubuntu has fast user switching. I also think Ubuntu's community is a little better organized. I use Ubuntu but I do still follow Fedora to see if it comes up with anything compellingly innovative.

 

[Hyperblaze]

Originally posted by: Brazen

Originally posted by: Hyperblaze

It's a personal thing between debian and I.

Ha, you make is sound so "deep."

I don't like the file archiecture and package manager.

It just rubs me the wrong way.

I actually agree on those points. I _like_ Redhat's aborted version of the linux file structure (something a lot of linux diehards used to complain about). And I like the command line "yum" WAY better than the command line "apt-get" BUT I like Synaptic MUCH better than Yumex (and Yumex much better than those two default tools - Pup and whatever). Granted I have not used the yum gui tools in at least a good couple of months and Yumex at least at one time was being rapidly developed. (I do however use Yum regularly as I admin a couple CentOS servers, my home laptop though is Ubuntu.)

My reasons for liking Debian/Ubuntu over Redhat/Fedora are more political and philosophical than technical. I do prefer Synaptic though, and I like that Ubuntu has fast user switching. I also think Ubuntu's community is a little better organized. I use Ubuntu but I do still follow Fedora to see if it comes up with anything compellingly innovative.

I might be called a herectis for this, but I really don't give a damn about the political or philosophical backings of the various distribution. I use the operating system and tool that gets the job done.

I'll use Linux to do certain things, I'll use FreeBSD to do certain things, and I'll use Windows to do certain things. Some folks hate FreeBSD because of the licensing (saying it's too open), well damn, I love that license. It's the perfect license to create embedded systems. Actually, I think any BSD license will do that for you

As far as you liking Ubuntu, if it works for you, then great. Things like fast user switching, I personally will never miss since 99 percent of the time I'm in console mode.

 

[Nothinman]

And knowing it half the battle.

True, but in most cases knowing what depends on what isn't necessary since the package maintainers for your distro should take care of that for you. If you're stuck on some distro or unix box without a decent package manager then you have my condolences.

And I like the command line "yum" WAY better than the command line "apt-get" BUT I like Synaptic MUCH better than Yumex (and Yumex much better than those two default tools - Pup and whatever)

Which makes no sense because yum is terribly slow and has to be told not to hit the network for simple things like package searches. And the search results are way too verbose to be able to sort through easily. The only thing yum has over apt is the localinstall command and I can't even see that being useful very often.

 

[n0cmonkey]

Originally posted by: Nothinman
True, but in most cases knowing what depends on what isn't necessary since the package maintainers for your distro should take care of that for you. If you're stuck on some distro or unix box without a decent package manager then you have my condolences.

Knowing how to find out what is dependant on what is important, IMO at least. Especially since so many projects have crappy documentation when it comes to that.

But again, that should be easy with a decent package manager.

Which makes no sense because yum is terribly slow and has to be told not to hit the network for simple things like package searches. And the search results are way too verbose to be able to sort through easily. The only thing yum has over apt is the localinstall command and I can't even see that being useful very often.

I don't think Yum is particularly slow, and it appears (I haven't looked into this more than casual observation being almost interested in the subject) that if you have recent package lists it'll avoid the network to look stuff up. Not positive though.

<-Not arguing about anything, just hadn't posted anything in a couple of minutes and I was starting to shake.

 

[Nothinman]

Knowing how to find out what is dependant on what is important, IMO at least. Especially since so many projects have crappy documentation when it comes to that.

But again, that should be easy with a decent package manager.

Yea, I haven't had to worry about dependencies in years but since I started on Linux a while ago I do already know how to do it if necessary.

I don't think Yum is particularly slow, and it appears (I haven't looked into this more than casual observation being almost interested in the subject) that if you have recent package lists it'll avoid the network to look stuff up. Not positive though.

The last time I looked at yum it took many magnitudes longer to do things than apt does and I doubt it'll ever compare since it's done in Python and maybe the defaults have changed, but the -C (not sure if it was capital or not) was needed to make it use the local package cache.