ICE: Nearly 600 detained in Mississippi plant raid

[Vette73]

Originally posted by: ayabe

Originally posted by: Rio Rebel

Serious question. How do they pay taxes and contribute to SS with no SS number?

Good question, and an important point. There is an assumption by many that illegal workers don't pay taxes, and freeload off the system. In reality, many (if not most) illegal workers DO pay taxes, because they provide false social security numbers. When their taxes are withheld, they have no way to file, so they actually pay MORE taxes than the rest of us because they can't get anything back that is withheld.

Obviously, this is not 100% of the cases. But it is true in most cases where the illegal worker is getting paid by a legitimate company but under a false SS#, which is very frequent.

Ahh but another route is to use a fake #ssn but to also claim tons of dependents.

or like I said above, they just check off the exempt box and pay nothing. Then years later IRS sees that you did not pay taxs on your chicken processing plant job you had that is 5 states away from where you live and then they come after you...

 

[JeepinEd]

Originally posted by: Rio Rebel

Serious question. How do they pay taxes and contribute to SS with no SS number?

Good question, and an important point. There is an assumption by many that illegal workers don't pay taxes, and freeload off the system. In reality, many (if not most) illegal workers DO pay taxes, because they provide false social security numbers. When their taxes are withheld, they have no way to file, so they actually pay MORE taxes than the rest of us because they can't get anything back that is withheld.

Obviously, this is not 100% of the cases. But it is true in most cases where the illegal worker is getting paid by a legitimate company but under a false SS#, which is very frequent.

They use stolen SS# numbers and claim 9 dependents in order to minimize the amount withheld. They know they can't file at the end of the year, so no sense in letting the government keep any money.
It took my mother 2 years and thousands of dollars to clear her name & credit because her social had been stolen and used by several illegal aliens to apply for work. One had even tried to change the name associated with her social secuirty #. It's no fun when the IRS puts a lien on your house for unpaid taxes that you know nothing about.
Yeah, these people are trying to get a better life for themselves and their family, but they are doing it at the expense of everyone else.

 

[Triumph]

Originally posted by: Robor
ICE: Nearly 600 detained in Mississippi plant raid

Link to story on Yahoo

By HOLBROOK MOHR, Associated Press Writer 26 minutes ago
"We have kids without dads and pregnant mothers who got their husbands taken away," said Velez's son, Robert, youth pastor at the church. "It was like a horror story. They got handled like they were criminals."

😕 But you ARE a criminal...

 

[ayabe]

Originally posted by: Triumph

Originally posted by: Robor
ICE: Nearly 600 detained in Mississippi plant raid

Link to story on Yahoo

By HOLBROOK MOHR, Associated Press Writer 26 minutes ago
"We have kids without dads and pregnant mothers who got their husbands taken away," said Velez's son, Robert, youth pastor at the church. "It was like a horror story. They got handled like they were criminals."

😕 But you ARE a criminal...

Right but when we have an Attorney General who doesn't believe that every violation of the law is a crime, then well, this is what we end up with.

 

[Jaskalas]

Originally posted by: CrazyHelloDeli

Originally posted by: Sawyer
Deport the illegal crimmigrants and arrest the criminal management staff/owners

:thumbsup:

:thumbsup:

 

[PokerGuy]

Originally posted by: Triumph

Originally posted by: Robor
ICE: Nearly 600 detained in Mississippi plant raid

Link to story on Yahoo

By HOLBROOK MOHR, Associated Press Writer 26 minutes ago
"We have kids without dads and pregnant mothers who got their husbands taken away," said Velez's son, Robert, youth pastor at the church. "It was like a horror story. They got handled like they were criminals."

😕 But you ARE a criminal...

No, no, no, you need to go back to political correcness labor training camp comrade. Someone is only a criminal if they violate laws that the politically correct crowd think are worth enforcing.

 

[Jaskalas]

Originally posted by: Blackjack200
Wow, what horrible fucking assholes. Coming here to work and try to raise a family. It is obviously their fault that they were not born here.

100 million people flooding us every 30-40 years this century isn't going to be allowed. You're right, they weren't born here, and that is exactly where they should stay. They need to build up their nation, not tear down ours.

 

[deathstorm78]

http://www.bizjournals.com/pho...007/12/17/daily19.html

http://www.cis.org/articles/2007/welfarerelease.html

From last year.

I found this article from 2004 as well.
http://www.frostywooldridge.co...es/art_2004jul09b.html

Basically here is how it works. Illegals have babies here, know as anchor babies, and they are *bing* that's right US CITIZENS!

Because these children are US Citizens they qualify the family for assistance.

I happen to know that Supplemental Security Income administered by Social Security allows for low birth weight, premature, mentally deficient, cerebral palsy, as some of the more severe disabilities for children to get State funded Medicaid and SSI benefits not to exceed $637/month as of 2008.

Also, certain learning disabilities and even ADHD fall under this category. This pretty much opens a gateway to Government and State funded welfare for these "anchor babies."

Trust me, it's a lot of money!

 

[blackangst1]

Originally posted by: lupi
Lol, ethnic cleansing, xenophobes. Is there anything else you hacks want to lead with. Have you checked openborders or the mexican consulate for more prepared talking points yet. Oh woe is me, I comitted an illegal act and got busted on it, oh woe is me.

Yeah but it SHOULDNT be against the law! Neither should <insert random law here> therefore I should be OK!!!

/sarcasm

 

[brandonb]

I work for a bill collection company. We do all sorts of bill collections from credit cards to medical.

I can honestly say that illegal immigration is hurting hospitals in the area. Nearly 20% of all the accounts coming to our office (from Minnesota hospitals) is from mexican names with no social security #. That way they are not traceable, you cannot give them bad credit, you cannot sue them, and they will NEVER pay! I run all the files through the system, I can run reports on the accounts which paid that have no SS#. I have all the evidence I need.

Repeated: 20% of collections is illegal immigrants not paying their hospital bills that will never be collected on.

Who pays those bills? Tax payers because hospital chaulks it up as a loss and people who have to pay an arm and a leg for health care. Did I mention illegal immigrants in that sentence? No, I did not.

Just for reference sakes, typical collections is about 10% recovered. So if clients send us a $1 million collection file, we can typically collect $100,000. However, none of it comes from blank SSN's.

 

[Rio Rebel]

Originally posted by: JeepinEd

Originally posted by: Rio Rebel

Serious question. How do they pay taxes and contribute to SS with no SS number?

Good question, and an important point. There is an assumption by many that illegal workers don't pay taxes, and freeload off the system. In reality, many (if not most) illegal workers DO pay taxes, because they provide false social security numbers. When their taxes are withheld, they have no way to file, so they actually pay MORE taxes than the rest of us because they can't get anything back that is withheld.

Obviously, this is not 100% of the cases. But it is true in most cases where the illegal worker is getting paid by a legitimate company but under a false SS#, which is very frequent.

They use stolen SS# numbers and claim 9 dependents in order to minimize the amount withheld. They know they can't file at the end of the year, so no sense in letting the government keep any money.
It took my mother 2 years and thousands of dollars to clear her name & credit because her social had been stolen and used by several illegal aliens to apply for work. One had even tried to change the name associated with her social secuirty #. It's no fun when the IRS puts a lien on your house for unpaid taxes that you know nothing about.
Yeah, these people are trying to get a better life for themselves and their family, but they are doing it at the expense of everyone else.

I don't have numbers, but I have know a few illegal aliens, and none of them would ever check large numbers of dependents or claim to be exempt. It draws attention to their situation, and that's the last thing they want.

 

[JeepinEd]

Originally posted by: Rio Rebel

Originally posted by: JeepinEd

Originally posted by: Rio Rebel

Serious question. How do they pay taxes and contribute to SS with no SS number?

Good question, and an important point. There is an assumption by many that illegal workers don't pay taxes, and freeload off the system. In reality, many (if not most) illegal workers DO pay taxes, because they provide false social security numbers. When their taxes are withheld, they have no way to file, so they actually pay MORE taxes than the rest of us because they can't get anything back that is withheld.

Obviously, this is not 100% of the cases. But it is true in most cases where the illegal worker is getting paid by a legitimate company but under a false SS#, which is very frequent.

They use stolen SS# numbers and claim 9 dependents in order to minimize the amount withheld. They know they can't file at the end of the year, so no sense in letting the government keep any money.
It took my mother 2 years and thousands of dollars to clear her name & credit because her social had been stolen and used by several illegal aliens to apply for work. One had even tried to change the name associated with her social secuirty #. It's no fun when the IRS puts a lien on your house for unpaid taxes that you know nothing about.
Yeah, these people are trying to get a better life for themselves and their family, but they are doing it at the expense of everyone else.

I don't have numbers, but I have know a few illegal aliens, and none of them would ever check large numbers of dependents or claim to be exempt. It draws attention to their situation, and that's the last thing they want.

Nine deductions will not draw any attention, it's simply the max number of deductions you can enter to minimize the amount deducted from your check. I too know and have known several illegal aliens. I learned quite a bit about their methodologies directly from them.
Whether or not they claim large numbers of deductions is inconsequential in the scheme of things. Innocent peoples lives are turned upside down due to their identity being stolen by illegal immigrants.

 

[CADsortaGUY]

Originally posted by: jpeyton
Good luck finding people to fill those positions.

American's love their WalMart bargains as long as we don't know who makes those low prices possible.

:roll: After the huge raid here in Iowa, the plant found enough people to stay in operation. Sheesh. I swear you illegal immigrant apologists have no freaking clue about reality. Aren't you some of the same people who are whining about there being no jobs?

 

[Buck Armstrong]

You know, these raids might be better than nothing, but basic logic has eluded us. When you wake up in the middle of the night and find your basement flooding, what do you do first?

A. Start trying to clean up all the water before stopping the leak?

B. Try to stop the leak and then figure out how to clean up all the water?

That's right, you stop the fucking leak first and ASAP, otherwise it is simply impossible to clean up the water! So let's cut the bullshit, build a giant wall along the entire length of our border with Mexico, and then we can worry about who gets amnesty, who gets deported, and all the corresponding intricacies involving children, parents, families, employers, potential voters, etc. But until the leak is plugged, we will never solve this problem.

 

[shira]

Originally posted by: jackschmittusa
shira

"basically honest Latinos" whose first act in this country was a flagrant violation of the law. Then false statements and papers. How am I supposed to understand that they have any respect for our laws?

When the unemployment rate is 0% for Americans, maybe resentment against illegals will be less. Meanwhile, any qualified Americans not hired by this company are the ones I have sympathy for. They and their families.

Don't like the laws? Then change them. But in the meantime, don't defend lawbreakers because they whine when caught. What if everybody only followed the laws they liked?

Please explain how the government does not have a vested interest in overseeing and regulating immigration into this country.

These people are here for one reason only: because they want the best for their families. They come from countries with horrible economies, where a living wage is not available. They come here because they see the opportunity to live a better life. By hard work, not by stealing. The only reason they're "illegal" is that the U.S. won't let them in. If you or I were given the same choice, we'd probably do the same thing.

That's why I used the term, "basically honest." There's a big difference between true criminals (con artists, rapists, thieves, drug dealers, embezzlers, burglars - you name it) and illegal aliens who often work for sub-minimum wage and are happy to get it.

As to the argument that illegals don't pay SS, don't you believe it:

They pay, but they don't collect

"Our assumption is that about three-quarters of other-than-legal immigrants pay payroll taxes," said Stephen C. Goss, Social Security's chief actuary, using the agency's term for illegal immigration.

 

[shira]

You know, I suspect all the reasons that people oppose "illegals" are phony. I suspect that if objective research were done, it would be determined that illegals represent a huge PLUS to the U.S. economy. But everyone needs someone to hate; someone to blame for the erosion - real or perceived - of the standard of living in America. And illegals are an easy target.

I suspect that if one by one, all the reasons to oppose illegals were shot down convincingly, the reactionary right would STILL despise illegals. Why? Because they're "illegal." And they're different. And they're poor. And many of them don't speak English.

Kick the bastards out! Those who hire them? Hang 'em high! Feels good to be kicking butt again for a change.

Jingoist, ignorant fools.

 

[Druidx]

Originally posted by: Rio Rebel

Serious question. How do they pay taxes and contribute to SS with no SS number?

Good question, and an important point. There is an assumption by many that illegal workers don't pay taxes, and freeload off the system. In reality, many (if not most) illegal workers DO pay taxes, because they provide false social security numbers. When their taxes are withheld, they have no way to file, so they actually pay MORE taxes than the rest of us because they can't get anything back that is withheld.

Obviously, this is not 100% of the cases. But it is true in most cases where the illegal worker is getting paid by a legitimate company but under a false SS#, which is very frequent.

Speaking from an admitted limited experience, how much income tax does someone pay if they claim 9 dependents on their w4 with someone else's SS#? I would expect very little. Then you have the seperate nightmare for whoevers SS# the illegals were using when the IRS comes calling to collect the missing taxes.

 

[deathstorm78]

Originally posted by: shira

Originally posted by: jackschmittusa
shira

"basically honest Latinos" whose first act in this country was a flagrant violation of the law. Then false statements and papers. How am I supposed to understand that they have any respect for our laws?

When the unemployment rate is 0% for Americans, maybe resentment against illegals will be less. Meanwhile, any qualified Americans not hired by this company are the ones I have sympathy for. They and their families.

Don't like the laws? Then change them. But in the meantime, don't defend lawbreakers because they whine when caught. What if everybody only followed the laws they liked?

Please explain how the government does not have a vested interest in overseeing and regulating immigration into this country.

These people are here for one reason only: because they want the best for their families. They come from countries with horrible economies, where a living wage is not available. They come here because they see the opportunity to live a better life. By hard work, not by stealing. The only reason they're "illegal" is that the U.S. won't let them in. If you or I were given the same choice, we'd probably do the same thing.

That's why I used the term, "basically honest." There's a big difference between true criminals (con artists, rapists, thieves, drug dealers, embezzlers, burglars - you name it) and illegal aliens who often work for sub-minimum wage and are happy to get it.

As to the argument that illegals don't pay SS, don't you believe it:

They pay, but they don't collect

"Our assumption is that about three-quarters of other-than-legal immigrants pay payroll taxes," said Stephen C. Goss, Social Security's chief actuary, using the agency's term for illegal immigration.

http://www.bizjournals.com/pho...007/12/17/daily19.html

http://www.cis.org/articles/2007/welfarerelease.html

From last year.

I found this article from 2004 as well.
http://www.frostywooldridge.co...es/art_2004jul09b.html


I posted these earlier, but I guess some people missed it. It talks exactly about how they pay taxes, but on the contrary how many illegal immigrants receive welfare. It also talks about the average wage Illegal immigrants are paid and how much they actually pay in taxes.

It's so easy for them to get welfare once they get here. All they need to do is have a baby.

 

[shira]

Originally posted by: deathstorm78

Originally posted by: shira

Originally posted by: jackschmittusa
shira

"basically honest Latinos" whose first act in this country was a flagrant violation of the law. Then false statements and papers. How am I supposed to understand that they have any respect for our laws?

When the unemployment rate is 0% for Americans, maybe resentment against illegals will be less. Meanwhile, any qualified Americans not hired by this company are the ones I have sympathy for. They and their families.

Don't like the laws? Then change them. But in the meantime, don't defend lawbreakers because they whine when caught. What if everybody only followed the laws they liked?

Please explain how the government does not have a vested interest in overseeing and regulating immigration into this country.

These people are here for one reason only: because they want the best for their families. They come from countries with horrible economies, where a living wage is not available. They come here because they see the opportunity to live a better life. By hard work, not by stealing. The only reason they're "illegal" is that the U.S. won't let them in. If you or I were given the same choice, we'd probably do the same thing.

That's why I used the term, "basically honest." There's a big difference between true criminals (con artists, rapists, thieves, drug dealers, embezzlers, burglars - you name it) and illegal aliens who often work for sub-minimum wage and are happy to get it.

As to the argument that illegals don't pay SS, don't you believe it:

They pay, but they don't collect

"Our assumption is that about three-quarters of other-than-legal immigrants pay payroll taxes," said Stephen C. Goss, Social Security's chief actuary, using the agency's term for illegal immigration.

http://www.bizjournals.com/pho...007/12/17/daily19.html

http://www.cis.org/articles/2007/welfarerelease.html

From last year.

I found this article from 2004 as well.
http://www.frostywooldridge.co...es/art_2004jul09b.html


I posted these earlier, but I guess some people missed it. It talks exactly about how they pay taxes, but on the contrary how many illegal immigrants receive welfare. It also talks about the average wage Illegal immigrants are paid and how much they actually pay in taxes.

It's so easy for them to get welfare once they get here. All they need to do is have a baby.

Just to respond to one of your links, by the Center for Immigration Studies:

wiki

CIS is one of several anti-immigration groups exposed in a Wall Street Journal article [7], ?In fact, CIS, FAIR, NumbersUSA, Project-USA and more than a half-dozen similar groups that Republicans have become disturbingly comfy with, were founded or funded (or both) by John Tanton, a retired doctor in Michigan. In addition to trying to stop immigration to the U.S., appropriate population-control measures for Dr. Tanton and his network include promoting China?s one-child policy, sterilizing Third World women and wider use of RU-486.?

So I think I'll pass on giving that CIS-provided info any credibility at all. Please provide links to truly non-bigoted . . ., er, objective studies.

The other two links don't work for me.

 

[deathstorm78]

Originally posted by: shira

Originally posted by: deathstorm78

Originally posted by: shira

Originally posted by: jackschmittusa
shira

"basically honest Latinos" whose first act in this country was a flagrant violation of the law. Then false statements and papers. How am I supposed to understand that they have any respect for our laws?

When the unemployment rate is 0% for Americans, maybe resentment against illegals will be less. Meanwhile, any qualified Americans not hired by this company are the ones I have sympathy for. They and their families.

Don't like the laws? Then change them. But in the meantime, don't defend lawbreakers because they whine when caught. What if everybody only followed the laws they liked?

Please explain how the government does not have a vested interest in overseeing and regulating immigration into this country.

These people are here for one reason only: because they want the best for their families. They come from countries with horrible economies, where a living wage is not available. They come here because they see the opportunity to live a better life. By hard work, not by stealing. The only reason they're "illegal" is that the U.S. won't let them in. If you or I were given the same choice, we'd probably do the same thing.

That's why I used the term, "basically honest." There's a big difference between true criminals (con artists, rapists, thieves, drug dealers, embezzlers, burglars - you name it) and illegal aliens who often work for sub-minimum wage and are happy to get it.

As to the argument that illegals don't pay SS, don't you believe it:

They pay, but they don't collect

"Our assumption is that about three-quarters of other-than-legal immigrants pay payroll taxes," said Stephen C. Goss, Social Security's chief actuary, using the agency's term for illegal immigration.

http://www.bizjournals.com/pho...007/12/17/daily19.html

http://www.cis.org/articles/2007/welfarerelease.html

From last year.

I found this article from 2004 as well.
http://www.frostywooldridge.co...es/art_2004jul09b.html


I posted these earlier, but I guess some people missed it. It talks exactly about how they pay taxes, but on the contrary how many illegal immigrants receive welfare. It also talks about the average wage Illegal immigrants are paid and how much they actually pay in taxes.

It's so easy for them to get welfare once they get here. All they need to do is have a baby.

Just to respond to one of your links, by the Center for Immigration Studies:

wiki

CIS is one of several anti-immigration groups exposed in a Wall Street Journal article [7], ?In fact, CIS, FAIR, NumbersUSA, Project-USA and more than a half-dozen similar groups that Republicans have become disturbingly comfy with, were founded or funded (or both) by John Tanton, a retired doctor in Michigan. In addition to trying to stop immigration to the U.S., appropriate population-control measures for Dr. Tanton and his network include promoting China?s one-child policy, sterilizing Third World women and wider use of RU-486.?

So I think I'll pass on giving that CIS-provided info any credibility at all. Please provide links to truly non-bigoted . . ., er, objective studies.

The other two links don't work for me.

sucks! the other links were regarding the same thing. I didn't know CIS was as you say. I'll try to find other info.

I can only say from first hand experience, that it's not necessarily the illegal immigrants that put a strain on our resources, but their children that they have here.

 

[racolvin]

Originally posted by: shira
You know, I suspect all the reasons that people oppose "illegals" are phony. I suspect that if objective research were done, it would be determined that illegals represent a huge PLUS to the U.S. economy. But everyone needs someone to hate; someone to blame for the erosion - real or perceived - of the standard of living in America. And illegals are an easy target.

I suspect that if one by one, all the reasons to oppose illegals were shot down convincingly, the reactionary right would STILL despise illegals. Why? Because they're "illegal." And they're different. And they're poor. And many of them don't speak English.

Kick the bastards out! Those who hire them? Hang 'em high! Feels good to be kicking butt again for a change.

Jingoist, ignorant fools.

What a steaming pile of bleeding-heart liberal poo ...

*I* personally oppose them for the following reasons:

1) They're here illegally. They flaunt the laws of the very country they're trying to get in to and then expect the laws of that same country to help and protect them.
2) Yes, they don't speak English. Citizenship standards require a basic command of reading and writing in English, so why should they be exempt?
3) Identity theft by illegals. As has already been mentioned in this very thread, stolen SS#'s are used to get the job and yes they pay taxes into the system via that method but the cost to the individual whose SS#'s was used isn't calculated.
4) They diminish they accomplishment and efforts of those who DID do things the legal way and became citizens.

I could go on but what's the point? All you'll do is cry about how horrible it is to treat them like criminal despite the fact that they ARE criminals...

What would I do to change things?

1) Children will no longer automatically be citizens if they're born on US soil if both parents are here illegally. Automatic citizenship will only be bestowed on a child if at least one of the parents is a LEGAL CITIZEN, not just a resident.
2) Local law enforcement can detain and states can deport on their own, as long as ICE is notified at every step along the way
3) Employers found hiring and paying illegal workers will be fined $1,000 per day per illegal worker with no limit to how high the fine can go, even if that means bankrupting and shuttering the employer. Does that mean some pain? Yes it does but employers will dump those illegal workers fast and with no work and no automatic citizenship for their babies (see #1 above) the incentive to come to America illegally will fade FAST.
4) Step up enforcement of #2 and #3

 

[Druidx]

Originally posted by: racolvin
*I* personally oppose them for the following reasons:

1) They're here illegally. They flaunt the laws of the very country they're trying to get in to and then expect the laws of that same country to help and protect them.
2) Yes, they don't speak English. Citizenship standards require a basic command of reading and writing in English, so why should they be exempt?
3) Identity theft by illegals. As has already been mentioned in this very thread, stolen SS#'s are used to get the job and yes they pay taxes into the system via that method but the cost to the individual whose SS#'s was used isn't calculated.
4) They diminish the accomplishment and efforts of those who DID do things the legal way and became citizens.

I could go on but what's the point? All you'll do is cry about how horrible it is to treat them like criminal despite the fact that they ARE criminals...

What would I do to change things?

1) Children will no longer automatically be citizens if they're born on US soil if both parents are here illegally. Automatic citizenship will only be bestowed on a child if at least one of the parents is a LEGAL CITIZEN, not just a resident.
2) Local law enforcement can detain and states can deport on their own, as long as ICE is notified at every step along the way
3) Employers found hiring and paying illegal workers will be fined $1,000 per day per illegal worker with no limit to how high the fine can go, even if that means bankrupting and shuttering the employer. Does that mean some pain? Yes it does but employers will dump those illegal workers fast and with no work and no automatic citizenship for their babies (see #1 above) the incentive to come to America illegally will fade FAST.
4) Step up enforcement of #2 and #3

:thumbsup:

 

[BoomerD]

Originally posted by: racolvin

Originally posted by: shira
You know, I suspect all the reasons that people oppose "illegals" are phony. I suspect that if objective research were done, it would be determined that illegals represent a huge PLUS to the U.S. economy. But everyone needs someone to hate; someone to blame for the erosion - real or perceived - of the standard of living in America. And illegals are an easy target.

I suspect that if one by one, all the reasons to oppose illegals were shot down convincingly, the reactionary right would STILL despise illegals. Why? Because they're "illegal." And they're different. And they're poor. And many of them don't speak English.

Kick the bastards out! Those who hire them? Hang 'em high! Feels good to be kicking butt again for a change.

Jingoist, ignorant fools.

What a steaming pile of bleeding-heart liberal poo ...

*I* personally oppose them for the following reasons:

1) They're here illegally. They flaunt the laws of the very country they're trying to get in to and then expect the laws of that same country to help and protect them.
2) Yes, they don't speak English. Citizenship standards require a basic command of reading and writing in English, so why should they be exempt?
3) Identity theft by illegals. As has already been mentioned in this very thread, stolen SS#'s are used to get the job and yes they pay taxes into the system via that method but the cost to the individual whose SS#'s was used isn't calculated.
4) They diminish they accomplishment and efforts of those who DID do things the legal way and became citizens.

I could go on but what's the point? All you'll do is cry about how horrible it is to treat them like criminal despite the fact that they ARE criminals...

What would I do to change things?

1) Children will no longer automatically be citizens if they're born on US soil if both parents are here illegally. Automatic citizenship will only be bestowed on a child if at least one of the parents is a LEGAL CITIZEN, not just a resident.
2) Local law enforcement can detain and states can deport on their own, as long as ICE is notified at every step along the way
3) Employers found hiring and paying illegal workers will be fined $1,000 per day per illegal worker with no limit to how high the fine can go, even if that means bankrupting and shuttering the employer. Does that mean some pain? Yes it does but employers will dump those illegal workers fast and with no work and no automatic citizenship for their babies (see #1 above) the incentive to come to America illegally will fade FAST.
4) Step up enforcement of #2 and #3

Can I subscribe to your newsletter?


Too many people act like this is just anti-Mexican, when it's anti ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION. The Mexicans just happen to be the largest group of violators of our laws.

AFAIC, ANYONE who is here illegally should be IMMEDIATELY deported.
Overstay your tourist, student, or work visa? <whoosh, you're gone!>
Sneak across the border from Canada? <whoosh, you're gone!>
Cross the southern border with illegally? <whoosh, you're gone!>
Come to this country, hidden in a cargo container? <whoosh, you're gone!>
Are you here illegally but have an "anchor baby?" <whoosh, you're gone!>

ANY assets an illegal immigrant has when he/she is caught should be forfeited to the government to help defray the costs of deportation.
They come here with nothing...they go home with nothing.

 

[JeepinEd]

According to Shira, my family and I are racists and jingoists.
Aside from the fact that I was born in Central America and my wife is Vietnamese, 70% of my employees are minorities, including LEGAL immigrants.

What is it about me wanting legal, orderly and controlled immigration that makes me a racist?
My family and I went through all the legal channels in order to come here and become citizens. Why shouldn't I expect everyone else to do the same?

 

[racolvin]

Originally posted by: JeepinEd
According to Shira, my family and I are racists and jingoists.
Aside from the fact that I was born in Central America and my wife is Vietnamese, 70% of my employees are minorities, including LEGAL immigrants.

What is it about me wanting legal, orderly and controlled immigration that makes me a racist?
My family and I went through all the legal channels in order to come here and become citizens. Why shouldn't I expect everyone else to do the same?

Exactly! You went through the procedure, did what you were asked to do, and it worked for you. I'm not saying the system is perfect because I'm sure it probably took longer than you would have liked but you stuck with it and it all worked out.

THIS I support 110%! Absolutely, positively glad to have you here sir 🙂