Oh they are although something like 2/3 still have plans to offer some level of in person education which may avoid much of the issue. Also lots of talk about how to skirt this issue on technicalities. But to throw something like this that hits already shakey finances and saddles already stressed employees with additional issues is a cheap punch to the balls of higher ed.
Not only that but this will hurt US citizens in the near future. International students subsidize a LOT of the education of American students including technology, curriculum and financial aid
Probably even more than you think. Something like 90% of our 'pay through' students are foreign. Most of our US students are getting a ride from something.
Maybe not. I've seen detailed financial reports for more than 1 major institution
Who did? I've been saying this shit since Turmp was on office. And I wasn't the first one. Try to hide it? They were gloating about concentration camps 2 years ago while crying when people called them what they are.
They want to strip the citizenship of lots of people. Granted most of that is bluster and this is something actionable right now, but don't think for a second that the next step isn't lumping certain groups in with the "others". Literally this is Nazi shit. Almost play by fucking play.
Remember when the country blamed foreigners for all their problems, and focused on a specific subgroup of residents, decided they were going to be the scapegoat for all possible blames, deported, imprisoned, forced them into concentration camps, and encouraged citizens to report and/or act on any others?
Yeah that happened in nazi germany too.
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And nobody see an issue with catering to foreign students that can pay higher tuition fees? I guess we need to keep importing H-1Bs in so the Liberal tech companies can feed off their indentured servants as well?
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Universities rely on those higher tuition fees. They build infrastructure they can’t otherwise afford due to their expectation the numbers of higher paying foreign students will grow over time. They also help to keep costs down for U.S. students by paying those higher fees.
i don’t think this is about immigration at all. The admin knows the financial impact to the schools if they find a way to shut out foreign students. This isn’t about keeping those students out. This is about forcing schools to open in the fall so the orange shitgibbon doesn’t “look bad”
Meanwhile, there’s always a tweet.
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The fees fill US tax dollar coffers. Also many of these courses that foreigners are taking would not be exist if all the foreigners left. For example, if a graduate class that should have 10 students only has 3 students because 7 foreigners didn't sign up that class gets cancelled. When classes get cancelled, grad assistants and teachers get re-assigned or let go and the downstream economic impacts are seriously felt.
The reality of the situation is that there are far more US college and grad school spots across all disciplines than there are US college or grad school applicants and someone has to fill those spots or money will be lost. Talk less the fact that these students either stay here and use their education for our benefit (through a number of US programs that encourage people to do either undesirable or altruistic jobs [ie teaching in or practicing their craft in areas of the country where recruiting is difficult] or take their education to troublespots in the world and potentially make their country better so we don't have to spend tax dollars doing so. Its not in any sense catering to foreigners but rather a necessary service. What will probably happen is that the UK and Canada will probably just absorb most of these students who are looking for premier universities and get those benefits as opposed to the US.
On another note, I think what you'll start seeing are sham in person classes. Meaning classes that have all the content videotaped and all testing and homework done online without an expectation that the student has to be there but technically have one person who comes to class to teach. Even before COVID, many classes are videotaped and some students came in and some stayed home (I remember i tended to just stay home and watch the vids and do the work) but I suspect if this rule really goes through, universities will basically create technically in-person classes that are in practice entirely online.
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I watched this yesterday. It is interesting how smug he is. Not sure they thought this through. This seems to be the administration’s go to action.
www.cnn.com
Keilar pushes Trump official: Sounds like you're okay with economic hit | CNN
CNN's Brianna Keilar pushes Acting Deputy Secretary of Homeland Security Ken Cuccinelli on the Trump administration's latest push for international students to leave the US if their colleges or universities institute online-only learning measures.
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Canada and England must be thrilled. More students coming their way now. The economic and R&D benefits that usually occur later from those students won't happen here now either. Yeah, pretty huge FU to all the online only schools now, I bet they're suing.
I can see not wanting Chinese nationals, due to the risk associated with state directed espionage, but telling kids from other allied countries to get fucked is so wrong. This is the kind of thing that can poison relationships long term - it affects peoples kids! But then, that's Trump's goal here after all, to create as much chaos and resentment for the US as possible. Can't disappoint Daddy Putin.
I can see not wanting Chinese nationals, due to the risk associated with state directed espionage, but telling kids from other allied countries to get fucked is so wrong. This is the kind of thing that can poison relationships long term - it affects peoples kids! But then, that's Trump's goal here after all, to create as much chaos and resentment for the US as possible. Can't disappoint Daddy Putin.
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Yep, got an email this morning that our uni is joining the amicus brief in support, whatever that means.
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And the government is rescinding the rule as it was increasingly likely to get blocked in court.
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Heard this on NPR. Genuinely surprised, but thrilled to hear. Make no mistake, this was a dodged bullet.
It's still a PR win for Trump with the very fine people among his base. Keep 'em riled up. Fucking Harvard Libtards. For the rest of us, it's just expected bad behavior.
These people gotta go. We have plenty of problems w/o them creating new ones. In no way would this be constructive. It's like the attempted fucking of the Dreamers.
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