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Wreckem

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I love how people speak of war.. and some sort of trials. Still pretending the rules based order will have a role to play. As oppose to how it'll actually be, where both sides kill on sight.
That’s why I said if the country survives the next three years.

It’s getting to the point where lack of accountability of the Trump admin is most likely going to lead to actual attacks on Trumps goons. Which will be met with extreme escalatation and everything will spiral out of control like you said with bothe sides killing on site and may people getting caught in the cross fire.

Honestly I’m not sure the country is going to survive till midterms at this point. Our best chance is the world telling us to fuck off and destroying our economy.
 
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sandorski

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I love how people speak of war.. and some sort of trials. Still pretending the rules based order will have a role to play. As opposed to how it'll actually be, where both sides kill on sight.
Our victory in WW2 taught you the wrong lessons. The world isn't pretty and nice unless we make it so. That niceness is the exact thing we have lost. All that remains is jungle.
If some people can ignore the Law, others can adhere to the Law. The icons still exist, they still have power.
 

MrSquished

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Nba stars can use their words to say with their eyes and ears are able to observe, this was straight up murder. Are there enough Democratic establishment politicians with the same ability? Stay tuned because they only have a few days left to do it.

 

Jaskalas

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If some people can ignore the Law, others can adhere to the Law. The icons still exist, they still have power.
I suspect that would require a rebellion large enough, and organized enough, to be lead by a State Governor.
Anything less would be too scrappy and to chaotic to attempt anything of the sort. And certainly lack the resources to hold and process prisoners.
Law and Order is a luxury of power. And since Jan 20th, 2025, the power in the USA has been used to undermine Law and Order. Thus far, no competing power exists.

And if any Gov actually steps out of line, Delta Force will Maduro them. The sheer scale and weight of our conflict suggests a course of action you scarcely imagine.
 

burninatortech4

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What's much worse is how the GOP is handling these killings. Everyone knew this is who Trump was. But seeing the entire GOP become a murderous blood and soil nazi party and throw away the republic so funding daddy can get another tax cut? Fucking hell.
It's a race to the bottom when morals go out the window. We just hit bottom a bit quicker than I anticipated.
 

trenchfoot

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If some people can ignore the Law, others can adhere to the Law. The icons still exist, they still have power.

The line seems to be drawn between the Democrats and Republicans. The Republicans pretty much haven't been doing a damn thing to put a check on Trump so it looks like the Democrat party is a logical place where like-minded people who want the nation as a whole to adhere to the laws of the land can gather up in unity. The party already has a well organized national structure that independents and other non-party members can on a temporary basis easily integrate with and of course would be more than welcome to stand side by side with in the effort to bring The Constitution back to front and center as the guiding light it once was.

The Republican party is stuck on stupid and in fear of Trump. They won't dare stand up to Trump and his ruthlessness, cowards as they are. Besides, there's millions of MAGAts that for some heinous anti-American reasons like Trump just the way he is. The party is no longer the entity that represents the values they once touted with so much overt pride. Many moderates in the party simply go along for the ride fearing resistance to Trump's myopic campaign to seize the reins of gov't and claim it for himself will get them branded as traitors that actually puts their lives in danger.

Strange to say such things yet Trump already has a security force numbering in the thousands that will do anything he orders them to, up to and including keeping his own party members from bolting/revolting against him. I wonder what will happen to them the moment Trump is deposed.
 

NWRMidnight

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Pitiful word salad. Protests and general strikes are not breaking the law.
You would be right if we where talking about protesting and joining a genereal strike, but that isn't what we are talking about. Mayber you should go back and read the discussion from the start and what it pertains to. the reason it appears to be a word salad, is because you didn't pay attention to the whole dicussion, so you are missing context. It has to do with the democrats and MrSquished wanting them to organize protests and general strikes (those in office and such). It is 100% illegal for democrates or rather anyone holding office, or working for the government to ORGANIZE protests or general strikes. It is a violation of the Hatch act at minimum as I said in the previous posts.
 
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NWRMidnight

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Imagine still looking yourself in the mirror and saying the Democrats having a press conference, speaking plainly, calling things out straight up, calling out the media, and calling for totally peaceful protest, is asking them too much, and asking them to do so is bad and illegal, and thinking that is ok. You are the greatest kind of coward. You have given zero examples of standing up to Hitler failing because the morons back then did the same thing your cult leader Dem establishment did, enable him into winning, as the Dems have done, by not taking him seriously, being a pathetic and enabling opposition party, giving us a shit opposition, see Biden and a lot more, and totally given an assist for Trump 2.0, and then playing by bullshit rules that don't exist, letting him take more and more rope. And you WANT TO CONTINUE THIS BEHAVIOR! Your insanity is quite impressive. Only MAGA are more nuts than you. The time to stand up is now, not repeat the exact same mistakes, capitulating like cowards until inevitably, it is too late to even have a shot anymore. It may not work right now but this is the only chance we have left. You want to continue to appease and let them take more and more illegal power and just giving it to them without a fight.

You are ignorant of history. A blind and deaf student of it.

When calling for direct and peaceful but assertive protest from your opposition party is too much for you, you need to have your head examined. You are a joke. A shadow and ghost of a person. You are an enabler.

You are what every Trump wanna be in the world needs. Pure patheticness wrapped in absolute stupid 'lofty self-rigtheous logic' of some la la land ideals you think you are being true to - it's just a delusion of being the purity warrior you think you are.

You are a key ingredient to every authoritarian government happening over history time and time again. The history books tell us so.
You stupid lying, manipulative mother#%@#. you are lying agaIn. You are talking about something that has NOTHING to do with what you and I where discussing. No where have I been talking about not standing up, not fight back against this administration, and nothing about your claim here with the democrates holding a press conferance and such.

This started with you saying the democrates need to start organizing protests and general strikes.. Which is where I entered and told you why it was illegal and the fact that this administration would throw them in jail for it. With the current events, possibly even worse (have them killed, just like Hitler did). Not the shit you keep trying to bring up and argue, manipulate, and flat out lie. Claiming I said things, I did not say, or was even remotelty talking about. You are dishonest. You just rage, lie, and manipulate.

You claim I didn't give an example of what Hitler did to his opposition, you either can't fucking read, have comprehension problems, or you are lying once again. I fucking told you straight up what he did.. He fucking killed them, (pretty sure I mentioned it twice, before this reply). We aren't talking about the people, we are talking about those in government, even though many regular German people where also killed. It was the loss of the war to the allies, with indirect help of the German people.
Not Hitler's opposition in government that ended Hitler's rein, as those people where dead. He committed suicide in a bunker after being deafed to avoid capture.

What you claimed you want the democrats to do (be leaders: organize protest, general stikes, ect), is not learning from history, it's repeating it. You want the deomcrates to do it, even though it's illegal, which will get them jailed at minimum, or worse killed, just as it did with Hitler. It's what Trump is waiting for, for them to give him a reason. (Trump and his administration are already supporting his gestapo injuring and killing protestors, supporting them doing it, as they lie and manipulate the truth so they can continue).

Leaders will rise and be created from us, the people. Not the majority of democrates or anyone else holding office. Yet that is where you are looking for them to be. They already failed you and everyone else.

You have twisted this conversation to the point that you think I am saying we should't stand up and fight back, we shouldn't do anything, which is far from the truth. It's not even what the conversation is about. It's nothing more than manipulation on your part to try and skew away from the original topic. Now, do you want to start being honest about what we are talking about? Or do you want to continue manipulating and lying?
 
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mikeymikec

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If some people can ignore the Law, others can adhere to the Law. The icons still exist, they still have power.

Please elaborate?

As I see it, on one side you've got a fascist regime that is willing to ignore / change / weaponise the law as it sees fit, and on the other side you've got a bunch of (I assume from your argument) principled people still following the rules that are being effectively made up as the fascists go along.

The whole point in having law-abiding principles is that they're meant to be a solid base to build consistent behaviour on, but in this situation the base is not solid.

I'll be amazed if the US can get out of this fascist mess without widespread bloodshed. It is possible, but it would require some very fancy footwork and a lot of luck. The simpler but horrifying option is "if you want peace, go to war", because fascists don't understand any other approach to meaningful change. They don't want civilisation, they want order based on their rules, which shift with their purposes at every turn.
 

outriding

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It's not amateur hour. It's fascist hour. Chain of evidence? In what? This is state sanctioned murder and Trump's nazi army is of course not going to investigate itself.

Well it is still a crime scene and with the murder of Good they wanted to or did start an investigation into her and or her spouse

Either way it has to be properly secured
 

ivwshane

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May 15, 2000
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The line seems to be drawn between the Democrats and Republicans. The Republicans pretty much haven't been doing a damn thing to put a check on Trump so it looks like the Democrat party is a logical place where like-minded people who want the nation as a whole to adhere to the laws of the land can gather up in unity. The party already has a well organized national structure that independents and other non-party members can on a temporary basis easily integrate with and of course would be more than welcome to stand side by side with in the effort to bring The Constitution back to front and center as the guiding light it once was.

The Republican party is stuck on stupid and in fear of Trump. They won't dare stand up to Trump and his ruthlessness, cowards as they are. Besides, there's millions of MAGAts that for some heinous anti-American reasons like Trump just the way he is. The party is no longer the entity that represents the values they once touted with so much overt pride. Many moderates in the party simply go along for the ride fearing resistance to Trump's myopic campaign to seize the reins of gov't and claim it for himself will get them branded as traitors that actually puts their lives in danger.

Strange to say such things yet Trump already has a security force numbering in the thousands that will do anything he orders them to, up to and including keeping his own party members from bolting/revolting against him. I wonder what will happen to them the moment Trump is deposed.

They don’t fear Trump, they support him and are complicit in his actions. The top republicans will not do anything because he benefits them in some way or other and their base either remains completely ignorant or misinformed of what’s happening or what’s at stake. So unless people like greenman or pcgeek wake up, things will only get worse and no accountability will had.
 
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WelshBloke

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feralkid

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feralkid

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New Chief Goon is on the way.

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nOOky

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It's an amazing thing if you think about it. Liberals are literally protesting the infringements on civil liberties of citizens and anyone covered under the Constitution i.e. anyone in America. The violations of the 4th amendment rights and due process etc. while righties cheer them on like fucking sheep to a slaughter. Yet conservatives are defending ICE's ability to perform all of these illegal searches and seizures and of course the murder of civilians willing to stand up for the Constitution and our rights. Then conservatives abandon the 2nd amendment because a citizen legally possesses a firearm and they blame it on that, when in literally every other situation such as a church or a school classroom they would be all for it. Fucking bizarro world I tell ya.