ICE fires first shot.

[SteveGrabowski]

yeah look at this shit

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it's ice and cbp whio are the real victims here....

I'll take Things That Never Happened for 400, Alex

 

[gothuevos]

Just got back from enjoying some nice walking through the snow here and was immediately confronted with this:

https://twitter.com/x/status/2015525476169547893

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86% of Republicans are either in support of a cold blooded murder or aren’t sure.
This number man, this number. I’m absolutely disgusted. I didn’t think the “Not Justified” crowd would be 13%. Cooked.

The United States is going to fail. I don’t think we last before a reckoning happens in the next few years. At this point it seems nothing less than inevitable. Not when you have that many people bootlicking.

Balkanization probably. Hopefully with non-aggression treaties.

 

[brycejones]

Balkanization probably. Hopefully with non-aggression treaties.

Fuck off quiter

 

[trenchfoot]

Well this whole debacle started way back in the day when Trump's adulterous perverted criminal personality disorders and dismal business record was excused, ignored, dismissed and downplayed in order to send a pathologically lying narcissistic con man to the White House.

His first victory may have been him fooling enough people to back him because it was their first time experiencing Trump and his ability to turn outright lies into truthies and facts into fiction. But these folks were forewarned having lived through 4 years of Trump's dangerously inept handling of the nation's affairs.

And now, there's absolutely no excuse that can be had for sending him back to the White House with folks already knowing what they needed to know about his total unfitness for the job. But they did it again despite and/or in spite of the facts. And after his first year of typically sacrificing the security and needs of the people he's supposed to serve in order to satisfy his addiction for wealth, power and immunity from prosecution, he still has a following of millions of what must be ignoramuses that he can rely on to keep him right where he is.

I swear if I were stuck in a roomful of them, I'd be the weirdo guy in the corner flexing his common sense at them every time I hear them talk about what a muscle-brained genius Trump is.

 

[SteveGrabowski]

Legal Eagle had a great take on this: that this occupation of Minneapolis is stochastic terrorism from Trump, knowing that if he sends thousands of psychopaths with weapons into a pissed off city he will get the murder of Americans he so desperately desires.

Only thing I don't agree with is him commending protesters for not fighting back.

 

[SteveGrabowski]

Well this whole debacle started way back in the day when Trump's adulterous perverted criminal personality disorders and dismal business record was excused, ignored, dismissed and downplayed in order to send a pathologically lying narcissistic con man to the White House.

His first victory may have been him fooling enough people to back him because it was their first time experiencing Trump and his ability to turn outright lies into truthies and facts into fiction. But these folks were forewarned having lived through 4 years of Trump's dangerously inept handling of the nation's affairs.

And now, there's absolutely no excuse that can be had for sending him back to the White House with folks already knowing what they needed to know about his total unfitness for the job. But they did it again despite and/or in spite of the facts. And after his first year of typically sacrificing the security and needs of the people he's supposed to serve in order to satisfy his addiction for wealth, power and immunity from prosecution, he still has a following of millions of what must be ignoramuses that he can rely on to keep him right where he is.

I swear if I were stuck in a roomful of them, I'd be the weirdo guy in the corner flexing his common sense at them every time I hear them talk about what a muscle-brained genius Trump is.

Trump voters want him murdering us just like he did Alex Pretti and Renee Good. Trump is exactly who right wing media has been manufacturing angry boomers to want for the last 30 years.

 

[Paratus]

Legal Eagle had a great take on this: that this occupation of Minneapolis is stochastic terrorism from Trump, knowing that if he sends thousands of psychopaths with weapons into a pissed off city he will get the murder of Americans he so desperately desires.

Only thing I don't agree with is him commending protesters for not fighting back.

It’s something to see him torn up about this. He normally (like most attorneys) presents as so professional.

 

[outriding]

It’s something to see him torn up about this. He normally (like most attorneys) presents as so professional.

The trump Bible stunt where Trump cleared the park got him emotional at that incident also

 

[outriding]

I had YouTube on in the back ground while I was adulting today

I thought I heard the Feds are not allowing the fbi to investigate

DHS is not equipped to handle such a task

I remember Trump post the pic of the gun on what looks like a car seat. Yea. They already fucked up with that. You have a chain of evidence issue and it should have been bagged and tagged

This is complete amateur hour

 

[SteveGrabowski]

I remember Trump post the pic of the gun on what looks like a car seat. Yea. They already fucked up with that. You have a chain of evidence issue and it should have been bagged and tagged

This is complete amateur hour

It's not amateur hour. It's fascist hour. Chain of evidence? In what? This is state sanctioned murder and Trump's nazi army is of course not going to investigate itself.

 

[NWRMidnight]

This is why you are so stupid. What is happening right now in this country has not happened before but it has in history. My entire point. And you refuse to learn from it.

Again, you are lying. I acknowledged that you are not against peaceful protest, I am calling you out for absolving the sole opposition party from taking leadership actions. Fuck you and your disgusting rules that these 'legalities must be respected' even when it comes to peaceful protest against pure fascism. The exact thing that the Democrats did by enabling Trump 2.0 is playing by the old rules, and you want to encourage them to do the same. You rebuke them taking the mantle of leadership, which they already literally own, to inspire peaceful protest. That is simply, and frankly, obscene. You are gross. You are an enabler. You encourage the fascists to do what they are doing. You are complicit. You have blood on your hands.

It took me a long time to ever block anyone on here, but I eventually did for the lost like Greenman and PCGeek, but you are about to be next.

You are puke inducing. Literally.

If you knew anything about History, you would know that it doesn't support your position. I already asked you what happened to the opposition to Hilter. You ignored that question, didn't answer, and just continued to manipulate and lie. I even told you what happened to them, and you continue to ignore it. History actually supports everything I have said, including leaders and where they come from. It's you who refuses to learn from history. If you did, you would actually understand everything I have said, and you wouldn't be here raging, calling me and others names, and making yourself look like nothing more than a loud, psychotic, lunatic. You have not countered anything with any legitimacy.. All you have doen is come back raging, ignoring everything I have said.

You are continueing to lie and manipulate, something I told you to stop doing, or don't responde. Specially with manipulating, twisting and lying about what I have said. You are not calling anyone out.. you are doing nothing but showing your ignorance, by raging, lying, manipulating, twisting the subject of what we are actually talking about, and making false claims. Why? Probably because you are to small of man to actually be honest with yourself, and the rest of us. You think you know history, or think you have learned anything from history, but you don't and haven't. You have it in your head that the democrats in office, are the ones who will pull us out of this, not understanding that history itself, shows us why that is not true. Including recent history. The leaders you are looking for, are walking among us, not the democrates in office right now. But you want to rage, lie, and manipulate to me, and about me. You don't even fucking understand who those leaders are, who will pull us out of this..

Please block me. So you can continue to live in your blood filled rage filled, dripping of your own ignorace, without me. Because if you lie one more time about me, and repond in the same rage filled bullshit you have been doing, I will have no choice but to report you. In hopes that they give you time to get the help you desperately need so you can stop raging and seeing blood.

 

[trenchfoot]

It's not amateur hour. It's fascist hour. Chain of evidence? In what? This is state sanctioned murder and Trump's nazi army is of course not going to investigate itself.

What's worse still is how Trump himself is handling these killings. In his mind every execution committed by his command in the past, present and future are justified for the one despicable reason he so cherishes: the projection of ultimate unquestioning unregulated power is paramount. Ergo, there's no need to justify his actions to anyone, himself included. He has this compelling urge to eliminate any source of resistance, any threat to his life. And like the many dictators before him, around him and the ones to come, it doesn't matter how many people need to die and/or be silenced by his hands because that's what it takes to alleviate his fears of being a victim of his own imperialist terrorism. He makes enemies on a daily basis whether real or imagined just from being his own majestic pompous self and they need to be taken care of no matter what it takes to get it done.

 

[SteveGrabowski]

What's worse still is how Trump himself is handling these killings. In his mind every execution committed by his command in the past, present and future are justified for the one despicable reason he so cherishes: the projection of ultimate unquestioning unregulated power is paramount. Ergo, there's no need to justify his actions to anyone, himself included. He has this compelling urge to eliminate any source of resistance, any threat to his life. And like the many dictators before him, around him and the ones to come, it doesn't matter how many people need to die and/or be silenced by his hands because that's what it takes to alleviate his fears of being a victim of his own imperialist terrorism. He makes enemies on a daily basis whether real or imagined just from being his own majestic pompous self and they need to be taken care of no matter what it takes to get it done.

What's much worse is how the GOP is handling these killings. Everyone knew this is who Trump was. But seeing the entire GOP become a murderous blood and soil nazi party and throw away the republic so funding daddy can get another tax cut? Fucking hell.

 

[kage69]

Guy came to a woman's aid and got executed for it. That video got me like a kick to the nuts. I had to take a web break.

We're going to start seeing ICE fascists get shot, aren't we?

 

[SteveGrabowski]

We're going to start seeing ICE fascists get shot, aren't we?

When they go terrorize Philly next I expect so after hearing that member of the Black Panthers there whose interview was posted earlier.

 

[Artorias]

He's absolutely right. We're not mad enough.

I don't normally post here but please hear me out.

The right has, for my entire life, been screaming that the big bad government was going to take our guns and our rights. The government is now doing that very thing and MAGA people I know are cheering it. Fuck them btw, I've cut them out of my life.

I'm done with MAGA's alternative facts, lying, bullshit.

Yesterday, a white, 37 year old, male, VA ICU nurse, was filming ICE in his city (which he has a right to be upset about) from the side walk. Another protester was pushed into him by ICE while he was filming. He was tackled to the ground, ICE discovered a lawful concealed carry, he did not brandish, he was disarmed, and then mag dumped and murdered by 2-3 ICE goons.

Imagine if a MAGA supporter was protesting Biden's FBI outside of a J6'ers house. The J6'er is being arrested for participation in J6. The MAGA supporter is filming and is pushed over by FBI. He has a concealed carry permit. He is disarmed and then murdered.

I proposed this very same hypothetical to my last MAGA acquaintance yesterday and he just blinked at me. I... just can't anymore.

When facts, logic, and morals are so twisted and fucked for these people - I can't see how it ends in any other way than more violence leading towards civil war.

This is a result of many decades of indoctrination and concerted efforts to dumb down the population.

Make complex issues into a simple left-right or capitalist/socialist( or communist) argument.

Someone made a post about how when you're wrong about something, you either have the intelligence(social intelligence) to admit your wrong, show some growth, or you can double down because that's all you know, you know the other side is "just" bad because that's been you're whole life, your whole identity and you cant admit you've been conned.

An educated society is a threat to those in power, left or right, however in the past decades you can clearly see which side is using who for not the greater good.

I'm going to say it again, you need a third party. Party of the new whatever that is for the people, those remaining republicans in the minority who stand for the constitution, and for the democrats not compromised with some actual balls.

The two party system, and the current union of states cannot coexist. There are core fundamental issues that cannot be reconciled, racism, xenophobia etc. The breakup of the union is probably the best way forward.

 

[kage69]

Black Panthers, hell the entire city, should now appropriate the Gadsen flag. Shame the Trump cult while standing up to it.

While I don't want to see Trump and ICE given more excuses to be fascist pricks, seriously part of me would cheer if some of these ICE bastards found themselves in triangulated fire ambushes. Welcome to urban warfare/CQB. Pretti Good shit you got yourselves into here, Meal Team Six.

 

[SteveGrabowski]

This is a result of many decades of indoctrination and concerted efforts to dumb down the population.

Make complex issues into a simple left-right or capitalist/socialist( or communist) argument.

Someone made a post about how when you're wrong about something, you either have the intelligence(social intelligence) to admit your wrong, show some growth, or you can double down because that's all you know, you know the other side is "just" bad because that's been you're whole life, your whole identity and you cant admit you've been conned.

An educated society is a threat to those in power, left or right, however in the past decades you can clearly see which side is using who for not the greater good.

I'm going to say it again, you need a third party. Party of the new whatever that is for the people, those remaining republicans in the minority who stand for the constitution, and for the democrats not compromised with some actual balls.

The two party system, and the current union of states cannot coexist. There are core fundamental issues that cannot be reconciled, racism, xenophobia etc. The breakup of the union is probably the best way forward.

Our constitution effectively forbade third parties because of how the president was elected, making the two party state the only stable equilibrium. Not that it matters any more as there is no constitution now.

 

[Muse]

If the democrates do what @MrSquished suggest (setup protests, general strikes, etc - breaking the law). Trump's administration, would very quickly go after them for breaking those laws, and do everything in their power, to put them behind bars, removing the opposition to this administration, which would only help this administration reach their goals.

Pitiful word salad. Protests and general strikes are not breaking the law.

 

[Muse]

The media needs to play the video and report on exactly what happened, the chain of events. That a citizen, white male nurse who served veterans was attacked and murdered while protecting a woman from an assault.
They need to report on the Trump regime reponse to the facts and the contrast between the truth and the lie.

They should report the facts all weekend and continue to follow the story throughout the week.

They should create follow up stories capture every thing.

https://www.reddit.com/r/law/comments/1qm3dpf/alex_pretti_who_dhs_labeled_a_domestic_terrorist

That was the man they murdered and the man being dishonored and vilified by this ignoble administration. Shame! NEVER VOTE FOR A REPUBLICAN!

 

[MrSquished]

If you knew anything about History, you would know that it doesn't support your position. I already asked you what happened to the opposition to Hilter. You ignored that question, didn't answer, and just continued to manipulate and lie. I even told you what happened to them, and you continue to ignore it. History actually supports everything I have said, including leaders and where they come from. It's you who refuses to learn from history. If you did, you would actually understand everything I have said, and you wouldn't be here raging, calling me and others names, and making yourself look like nothing more than a loud, psychotic, lunatic. You have not countered anything with any legitimacy.. All you have doen is come back raging, ignoring everything I have said.

You are continueing to lie and manipulate, something I told you to stop doing, or don't responde. Specially with manipulating, twisting and lying about what I have said. You are not calling anyone out.. you are doing nothing but showing your ignorance, by raging, lying, manipulating, twisting the subject of what we are actually talking about, and making false claims. Why? Probably because you are to small of man to actually be honest with yourself, and the rest of us. You think you know history, or think you have learned anything from history, but you don't and haven't. You have it in your head that the democrats in office, are the ones who will pull us out of this, not understanding that history itself, shows us why that is not true. Including recent history. The leaders you are looking for, are walking among us, not the democrates in office right now. But you want to rage, lie, and manipulate to me, and about me. You don't even fucking understand who those leaders are, who will pull us out of this..

Please block me. So you can continue to live in your blood filled rage filled, dripping of your own ignorace, without me. Because if you lie one more time about me, and repond in the same rage filled bullshit you have been doing, I will have no choice but to report you. In hopes that they give you time to get the help you desperately need so you can stop raging and seeing blood.

Imagine still looking yourself in the mirror and saying the Democrats having a press conference, speaking plainly, calling things out straight up, calling out the media, and calling for totally peaceful protest, is asking them too much, and asking them to do so is bad and illegal, and thinking that is ok. You are the greatest kind of coward. You have given zero examples of standing up to Hitler failing because the morons back then did the same thing your cult leader Dem establishment did, enable him into winning, as the Dems have done, by not taking him seriously, being a pathetic and enabling opposition party, giving us a shit opposition, see Biden and a lot more, and totally given an assist for Trump 2.0, and then playing by bullshit rules that don't exist, letting him take more and more rope. And you WANT TO CONTINUE THIS BEHAVIOR! Your insanity is quite impressive. Only MAGA are more nuts than you. The time to stand up is now, not repeat the exact same mistakes, capitulating like cowards until inevitably, it is too late to even have a shot anymore. It may not work right now but this is the only chance we have left. You want to continue to appease and let them take more and more illegal power and just giving it to them without a fight.

You are ignorant of history. A blind and deaf student of it.

When calling for direct and peaceful but assertive protest from your opposition party is too much for you, you need to have your head examined. You are a joke. A shadow and ghost of a person. You are an enabler.

You are what every Trump wanna be in the world needs. Pure patheticness wrapped in absolute stupid 'lofty self-rigtheous logic' of some la la land ideals you think you are being true to - it's just a delusion of being the purity warrior you think you are.

You are a key ingredient to every authoritarian government happening over history time and time again. The history books tell us so.

 

[Muse]

Surely Trump will pardon all of ICE and the DoJ before he leaves office?

Pardoning power is putrid. This wave a hand and pretend it never happened shit is disgusting.

 

[Jaskalas]

Balkanization probably. Hopefully with non-aggression treaties.

That worked real well for Europe, cria 1930s.

Why do you suggest such a failed concept?
Nazi America is ALREADY threatening every single country within the same hemisphere.
But yeah, we can totally be neighbors with them.

If you think peace was ever an option. You do not comprehend Nazism.

 

[Wreckem]

Pardoning power is putrid. This wave a hand and pretend it never happened shit is disgusting.

Pardoning won’t really work for military tribunals for designated enemy combatants. If Trump and his admin keeps going down the road of kidnapping and killing Americans, military tribunals will be necessary. That’s if the country survives his attempts to subvert elections and/or trying to start a civil war so he can remain the Mad King.

 

[Jaskalas]

I love how people speak of war.. and some sort of trials. Still pretending the rules based order will have a role to play. As opposed to how it'll actually be, where both sides kill on sight.
Our victory in WW2 taught you the wrong lessons. The world isn't pretty and nice unless we make it so. That niceness is the exact thing we have lost. All that remains is jungle.