ICE fires first shot.

[WelshBloke]

Hope this works

An account of a German survivor after WWII from "They Thought They Were Free: The Germans, 1933-45":


> Each act, each occasion, is worse than the last, but only a little worse. You wait for the next and the next. You wait for one great shocking occasion, thinking that others, when such a shock comes, will join with you in resisting somehow. You don’t want to act, or even talk alone; you don’t want to “go out of your way to make trouble.” Why not?—Well, you are not in the habit of doing it. And it is not just fear, fear of standing alone, that restrains you; it is also genuine uncertainty.


> Uncertainty is a very important factor, and, instead of decreasing as time goes on, it grows. Outside, in the streets, in the general community, “everyone” is happy. One hears no protest, and certainly sees none. You speak privately to your colleagues, some of whom certainly feel as you do; but **what do they say? They say, “It’s not so bad” or “You’re seeing things” or “You’re an alarmist.”**


> And you are an alarmist. You are saying that this must lead to this, and you can’t prove it. These are the beginnings, yes; but how do you know for sure when you don’t know the end, and how do you know, or even surmise, the end? On the one hand, your enemies, the law, the regime, the Party, intimidate you. On the other, your colleagues pooh-pooh you as pessimistic or even neurotic. You are left with your close friends, who are, naturally, people who have always thought as you have.


> But your friends are fewer now. Some have drifted off somewhere or submerged themselves in their work. You no longer see as many as you did at meetings or gatherings. Now, in small gatherings of your oldest friends, you feel that you are talking to yourselves, that you are isolated from the reality of things. This weakens your confidence still further and serves as a further deterrent to—to what? It is clearer all the time that, if you are going to do anything, you must make an occasion to do it, and then are obviously a troublemaker. So you wait, and you wait.


> But the one great shocking occasion, when tens or hundreds of thousands will join with you, never comes. That’s the difficulty. If the last and worst act of the whole regime had come immediately after the first and smallest, thousands, yes, millions, would have been sufficiently shocked—if, let us say, the gassing of the Jews in ’43 had come immediately after the “German Firm” stickers on the windows of non-Jewish shops in ’33. But of course this isn’t the way it happens. In between come all of the hundreds of little steps, some of them imperceptible, each of them preparing you not to be shocked by the next. Step C is not so much worse than Step B, and, if you did not make a stand at Step B, why should you at Step C? And so on to Step D.


> And one day, too late, your principles, if you were ever sensible of them, all rush in upon you. The burden of self-deception has grown too heavy, and some minor incident, in my case my little boy, hardly more than a baby, saying “Jewish swine,” collapses it all at once, and you see that everything has changed and changed completely under your nose. The world you live in—your nation, your people—is not the world you were born in at all.** The forms are all there, all untouched, all reassuring, the houses, the shops, the jobs, the mealtimes, the visits, the concerts, the cinema, the holidays. But the spirit, which you never noticed because you made the lifelong mistake of identifying it with the forms, is changed. Now you live in a world of hate and fear, and the people who hate and fear do not even know it themselves; when everyone is transformed, no one is transformed. Now you live in a system which rules without responsibility even to God. The system itself could not have intended this in the beginning, but in order to sustain itself it was compelled to go all the way.


> Suddenly it all comes down, all at once. You see what you are, what you have done, or, more accurately, what you haven’t done (for that was all that was required of most of us: that we do nothing). You remember those early morning meetings of your department when, if one had stood, others would have stood, perhaps, but no one stood. A small matter, a matter of hiring this man or that, and you hired this one rather than that. You remember everything now, and your heart breaks. Too late. You are compromised beyond repair.

 

[HomerJS]

From his perspective

https://www.reddit.com/r/law/comments/1q8fzbo/pov_from_the_ice_officer_who_shot_renee

Removed because it was a repeat. Here is a working link

https://www.reddit.com/r/PublicFreakout/comments/1q8fe2i/ice_shooting_pov_from_agent

 

[Brainonska511]

Removed because it was a repeat. Here is a working link

https://www.reddit.com/r/PublicFreakout/comments/1q8fe2i/ice_shooting_pov_from_agent

https://bsky.app/profile/gravitysra1nbow.bsky.social%2Fpost%2F3mbzez7ag6s26

 

[HomerJS]

https://bsky.app/profile/gravitysra1nbow.bsky.social%2Fpost%2F3mbzez7ag6s26

Shoots her, immediately calls her a bitch and refuses to render first aid.

This is going to go over very well.

 

[Brainonska511]

Shoots her, immediately calls her a bitch and refuses to render first aid.

This is going to go over very well.

That's because they're weirdo freaks, and that's why we're going to win in the end. It's not going to be easy, and nothing is guaranteed, but I refuse to throw up my hands and doom about the future.

 

[SteveGrabowski]

Don't get me wrong, we have little choice to but rely on that slim hope. Going solo will not help anyone. Any actual rebellion needs organization. It needs a Governor who commands armed forces. Not sure any of them are built for that. We need a General holding office. A man of integrity and strength with the balls of steel needed to say no to tyranny. We need people we can stand with to protect our rights as they used to exist under the Constitution. And make no mistake, after saying no, holding the line, and protecting the people, it'll take mere days for Delta Force to come for them just like Maduro.

I don't agree on the one great man hypothesis. Revolutions are won by overwhelming numbers of ordinary people, not by saviors from above.

 

[HomerJS]

Liberty dies

 

[ivwshane]

According to Trump, Renee was a high level agitator. I guess his team showed him another AI created video of an alternative reality.

Her wife on the other hand, was not helpful but the outcome definitely wasn’t warranted.

As someone already mentioned; recording with your cellphone and claiming you feared for your life while walking back and forth in front of the car while your partner was telling her to leave is certainly something.

 

[BonzaiDuck]

We need more of THIS!
And it needs to reach the State level ASAP!

Philadelphia Sheriff Rochelle Bilal said she would arrest ICE agents who commit crimes in the city, calling them “fake law enforcement” and warning, “You don’t want this smoke.” ​

https://www.reddit.com/r/ProgressiveHQ/comments/1q8h92e/philadelphia_sheriff_rochelle_bilal_said_she

That caught my eye -- "fake law enforcement".

I think through an osmotic process of reading the news this last year, we all know or assume that the Trump administration has forced a crash program to staff up ICE with as many willing applicants as it can find, and that a lot of these people lean heavily to the Right and probably own their own assault weapons.

What we are finding out here is that they haven't been well-trained.

And what does the public think of them? They're considered invaders by the urban populations that endure their raids. Ordinarily, somebody like me or you or Renee Good would stop their car and follow orders from local or state police. Why wouldn't we?

Now it's also true -- as facts have emerged -- that Good volunteered to be "ICE Watch". Citizens have a right to observe and record actions of the police, the National Guard, and most certainly -- ICE. But the Trump administration considers anyone mildly hostile to ICE presence in their community to be a member of the "Radical Left".

Under ordinary circumstances, Good might probably have stopped her car and opened the window, but no local or state policeman would grab the door handle and attempt to open the door of a vehicle they had detained. Yet, this is what the ICE agent did.

Who would have done anything different than Good? We don't consider ICE agents to be either local or state police. We have rights. Why would we allow one of them to open our vehicle door?

The rest of this is straightforward. Good did not attempt to run over anybody. She turned her vehicle to the right so she could get the hell out of there. By whose authority was she in the process of being detained? She wasn't an illegal immigrant. She had not done anything wrong. And probably, in her own head, she knew these amateurs of ICE were not following police procedure. As her mother or her wife had said -- she was probably scared witless.

I call this murder or manslaughter. Minnesota Bureau of Criminal Apprehension should pursue its own investigation with or without FBI cooperation, but for the fact that FBI possesses Good's vehicle. They should charge the ICE agent according to state law, and VP JD Vance can suck eggs.

We're going to be on the edge of our chairs to see how this plays out.

And how much longer are we to endure the illegitimate administration of a Sociopath, a Criminal and Rapist? "Won fair and square" doesn't cut it with me. Emotionally, I'm ready for civil war. Realistically, I'm not capable of doing more than running an underground railroad for fugitive rebels. I'm too f***in' old for much else.

 

[K1052]

CBP tactical officer clogs toilet, calls maintenance, maintenance shows up to clear toilet, officer almost caps him. Incident is from 2020 but shows the level of people we are dealing with here and why the agency should no longer exist.

https://bsky.app/profile/oregonian.com%2Fpost%2F3mbzzfdlubu2c

 

[KMFJD]

I saw someone make an interesting observation that both the way ICE acts and the way the government justifies it sounds awfully familiar to the IDF and their spokespeople, probably nothing though

 

[zinfamous]

Shoots her, immediately calls her a bitch and refuses to render first aid.

This is going to go over very well.

Those gestapo in the video that refused to let the physician tend to her should also be charged with first degree murder.

 

[Muse]

Hope this works

An account of a German survivor after WWII from "They Thought They Were Free: The Germans, 1933-45":

> Each act, each occasion, is worse than the last, but only a little worse. You wait for the next and the next. You wait for one great shocking occasion, thinking that others, when such a shock comes, will join with you in resisting somehow. You don’t want to act, or even talk alone; you don’t want to “go out of your way to make trouble.” Why not?—Well, you are not in the habit of doing it. And it is not just fear, fear of standing alone, that restrains you; it is also genuine uncertainty.

> Uncertainty is a very important factor, and, instead of decreasing as time goes on, it grows. Outside, in the streets, in the general community, “everyone” is happy. One hears no protest, and certainly sees none. You speak privately to your colleagues, some of whom certainly feel as you do; but **what do they say? They say, “It’s not so bad” or “You’re seeing things” or “You’re an alarmist.”**

> And you are an alarmist. You are saying that this must lead to this, and you can’t prove it. These are the beginnings, yes; but how do you know for sure when you don’t know the end, and how do you know, or even surmise, the end? On the one hand, your enemies, the law, the regime, the Party, intimidate you. On the other, your colleagues pooh-pooh you as pessimistic or even neurotic. You are left with your close friends, who are, naturally, people who have always thought as you have.

> But your friends are fewer now. Some have drifted off somewhere or submerged themselves in their work. You no longer see as many as you did at meetings or gatherings. Now, in small gatherings of your oldest friends, you feel that you are talking to yourselves, that you are isolated from the reality of things. This weakens your confidence still further and serves as a further deterrent to—to what? It is clearer all the time that, if you are going to do anything, you must make an occasion to do it, and then are obviously a troublemaker. So you wait, and you wait.

> But the one great shocking occasion, when tens or hundreds of thousands will join with you, never comes. That’s the difficulty. If the last and worst act of the whole regime had come immediately after the first and smallest, thousands, yes, millions, would have been sufficiently shocked—if, let us say, the gassing of the Jews in ’43 had come immediately after the “German Firm” stickers on the windows of non-Jewish shops in ’33. But of course this isn’t the way it happens. In between come all of the hundreds of little steps, some of them imperceptible, each of them preparing you not to be shocked by the next. Step C is not so much worse than Step B, and, if you did not make a stand at Step B, why should you at Step C? And so on to Step D.

> And one day, too late, your principles, if you were ever sensible of them, all rush in upon you. The burden of self-deception has grown too heavy, and some minor incident, in my case my little boy, hardly more than a baby, saying “Jewish swine,” collapses it all at once, and you see that everything has changed and changed completely under your nose. The world you live in—your nation, your people—is not the world you were born in at all.** The forms are all there, all untouched, all reassuring, the houses, the shops, the jobs, the mealtimes, the visits, the concerts, the cinema, the holidays. But the spirit, which you never noticed because you made the lifelong mistake of identifying it with the forms, is changed. Now you live in a world of hate and fear, and the people who hate and fear do not even know it themselves; when everyone is transformed, no one is transformed. Now you live in a system which rules without responsibility even to God. The system itself could not have intended this in the beginning, but in order to sustain itself it was compelled to go all the way.

> Suddenly it all comes down, all at once. You see what you are, what you have done, or, more accurately, what you haven’t done (for that was all that was required of most of us: that we do nothing). You remember those early morning meetings of your department when, if one had stood, others would have stood, perhaps, but no one stood. A small matter, a matter of hiring this man or that, and you hired this one rather than that. You remember everything now, and your heart breaks. Too late. You are compromised beyond repair.

I watched a movie which is relevant to this recently. Terrence Malick's "A Hidden Life." It's about an Austrian family man, farmer (real life person, but this is an enactment) who refused to swear allegiance to Hitler, resisted conscription, was imprisoned, and eventually executed by the Nazis.

Terrence Malick's "A Hidden Life" (2019) is a visually stunning, spiritual epic based on the true story of Austrian peasant farmer Franz Jägerstätter (August Diehl), a conscientious objector who refused to swear allegiance to Hitler during WWII, choosing faith and conscience over collaboration and life, resulting in his execution and eventual beatification as a martyr. The film explores profound themes of faith, goodness, and resistance against evil through Malick's signature poetic style, contrasting sublime Alpine beauty with stark realities of war and totalitarianism, and is considered a powerful meditation on finding meaning in suffering and doing good in a darkened world, according to sources, Reddit users, and America Magazine.

A Hidden Life (2019 film) - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[trenchfoot]

If he was dragged by a car 100 yards last year he's the last guy who should have been hired by ICE. The people who hired him get a lot of the blame.

Agreed. Ross could have let go as soon as the vehicle started driving away. It was his personal choice to hang on and suffer the injuries he incurred. He is responsible for his own actions, just as he is now responsible for murdering an American citizen by his own questionable resolve.

These ICE agents behave as if they are above the law and I'm sure a lot of it has to do with the idea that Trump will absolutely pardon them up to and including his goons committing the capital crime of murdering their fellow Americans. The indiscriminate Jan.6 pardons that Trump blessed his convicted followers with pretty much seals the deal on that possibility.

 

[KMFJD]

Those gestapo in the video that refused to let the physician tend to her should also be charged with first degree murder.

that's standard op, that along with shouting contradicting orders

 

[MrSquished]

I've been calling maga mid-stage Nazis for some time now. I think with this they've graduated that phase. They are past the midway point and are well on their way to being full fledged.

 

[Jaskalas]

I've been calling maga mid-stage Nazis for some time now. I think with this they've graduated that phase. They are past the midway point and are well on their way to being full fledged.

What, the whole Nazi admin, media, and foot soldiers circling the wagons and rallying behind them killing an America?
The part where they celebrated it, cheered it on, and demand more of it?

It is no small thing that they lie about it. But that should be expected after the 2015-2016 "fake news" saga rapidly morphed into the 2020 "fake election" and attempted coup on Jan 6th. This shit storm has been cooking for a long time now. MAGA is a rabid dog and needs to be put down. With Dear Leader drafting plans to attack NATO, the time of mass graves will soon be upon us.