IBM Introduces Fastest Hard Drive, Oh Baby Here We Go Again Scsi Baby ;)

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International Business Machines Corp. on Thursday unveiled the fastest hard disk drive for use in powerful business computers known as servers, signaling a recovery in the business for the world's largest computer maker after a year of production problems.

IBM's new server hard disk drive, the Ultrastar 36Z15, matches the 15,000 revolutions per minute speed of the one already made by market leader Seagate Technology Inc.

But, based on the speed with which the drive moves to retrieve a requested file, known as seek time, IBM's is the fastest hard disk drive now on the market, analysts said, surpassing the speed of Seagate's drive.

``IBM's would be the fastest disk drive out there,'' said Jim Porter, an analyst at Disk-Trend. ``Seagate did the first move to 15,000. IBM is definitely rivaling Seagate on server drives.''

Seagate spokesman Woody Monroy said that: ``IBM is a year late,'' and that Seagate would soon offer a product that would surpass the performance of IBM's offering.

``By the time that IBM actually steps into the ring and starts shipping these drives, we'll have introduced our next-generation product, and we'll be back on top in terms of the specs they've quoted,'' he said.

Armonk, N.Y.-based IBM is shipping the new drive in this quarter. Monroy said Seagate would introduce its next product during that time frame, but gave no further details.

Seagate had a 44 percent share of the market for server drives, while IBM had about 25 percent in 2000, according to market research firm International Data Corp.

IBM SUFFERED DELAY IN 2000

IBM had about a 35 percent market share in 1999, before having to delay the release of 10,000 RPM drives last year.

The computer maker's hard disk drive business showed sales declines in the first three quarters of the year, and was cited by executives as a drag on overall results.

Large quantity shipping did not start until the third quarter, and the business returned to revenue growth in the fourth quarter.

Analysts said the IBM hard drive troubles may be getting worked out just in time for a projected pickup in demand for server hard drives after flat growth last year.

For 2000, server hard disk drives were a $22 million market, about flat with the 1999 total of $21.9 million, according to IDC.

``It was sort of a Year 2000 hangover,'' said Dave Reinsel, analyst with IDC, referring to the slowdown in computer system buying after corporations spent heavily the year before to make their systems ready for the Year 2000 changeover. ``There an increased build in 1999, and a slowdown in 2000.''

He added that in 2001, server hard disk drives are forecast to have growth in the 15 percent to 17 percent range.

Bill Healy, vice president of IBM's storage technology division, said that he has seen indications of strong demand for the new IBM product.

``We are seeing very strong demand from our key OEM customers,'' referring to original equipment manufacturers, or computer vendors for which IBM makes the drives. ``We've sent samples out to larger customers, who are qualifying the drives.''

FINALLY A 15000 RPM SCSI DISK FROM IBM :Q
 

goldboyd

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i dont know about you, but the part in that article that i found the most exciting is a second gen 15k rpm drive from seagate :)
 

Whitedog

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<<In two years there may not be IDE drives.>>

Uhmmmm, Sure... If you say so. ;)

Uh, IDE will be a part of the PC as long as there is a PC. Nothing indicates otherwise.
 

Soccerman

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wasn't this posted before??

ahh well, this is great news for speed freaks.. if it posts access times to beat the Cheetah X15 that'd be sweet.. of course transfer rates are guaranteed to be awesome, with the platter densities that IBM can have..

I hope though that they made the platters extremely thin though, so that access times would be better (which is what happened with the Cheetah, though it didn't quite have the access times that it COULD have had), however that sacrifices transfer rate somewhat (the outer tracks don't have as much data on thin platter drives then IDE ones).
 

DerProfi

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Golly, I want to hear more about these &quot;powerful business computers known as servers.&quot; Ser-vers? ;)
 

jjsimas

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> Uh, IDE will be a part of the PC as long as there is a PC. Nothing indicates otherwise.

Uh, nor does much indicate *wise.

Jason
 

Rand

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I was underhelmed by Seagate's X15 drive, it didnt perform as well as I esxpected at all. Hopefully IBM's 15,000 RPM drive will impress me somewhat more.

As for IDE being dead within 2 years.... dream on.
 

Soccerman

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guys there's no reason to make all of these comments..

first of all, IDE will be succeded by Serial ATA, which is a good thing (for both SCSI and IDE if you ask me).

Serial ATA will bring yet one more SCSI feature to the IDE camp, which is the capability to run more then 2 devices per channel..

SCSI won't disappear, it's drives are for pure speed. sure if I upgraded to a Quantum LM or IBM 75GXP I would see a large speed increase, but if I went SCSI with a Quantum Atlas 10K II, I'd see more of a speed increase.

my point is this, if you think you have the fastest computer on the block yet still have IDE, you are incorrect, however it's not like IDE drives are killing you..

except for the fact that hard drives are so slow compared to CPU's (I'm pretty sure you've seen my long rants about how incredibly slow they are), that is..

the computer has so many buffers and so much cache to make up for this defficiency that you don't see the speed increase as much when you upgrade your RAM or you hard drive, because things have been programmed to accept and get around these limitations.

however, if you didn't have to do that, (get around the limitations) then the computer as we know it would be alot faster. you double click on an icon, and the program will be run instantly (like running something that is still in memory), even if it's Quake 3, or UT, the program will be sitting and waiting for your input faster then you can blink.

so you see, because the CPU has to wait an eternity for the hard drive to retrieve data, you have to impliment cache, if you increase the speed of the hard drive, you don't quite see the speed increase as something that is linear to the actual performance increase of the drive, but the computer does respond to everything quicker (it takes less time for data to get to the CPU after it is requested).

but that isn't the end, then you have to take into account costs..

many of you are about to blow all of your hard earned cash on the NV20, why? so you'll be able to run games at higher resolution, and be capable of running games that will come out in a year or two that actually require the T&amp;L power and fillrate of an NV20.

that doesn't make it necessary though.

I'm sitting here with a Voodoo 3 as my 3D accelerator, and I'm pretty happy with it.

sure it'd be nice to have something with more fillrate so I could run Homeworld at 1600X1200X32, but I don't have enough money to even buy another video card right now.

I run most games ok (my standards for fillrate are lower then most of yours, becuase I've had to live with them for so long) though a faster CPU would certainly help my framerates in Homeworld quite a bit (it's more CPU intensive then video card intensive).

what am I getting at? I'd certainly love a SCSI upgrade, probably about as much as I'd love a video card upgrade or more RAM.

doesn't mean SCSI is evil, nor does it mean that 3D accelerators are evil. maybe you should all wake up and view the whole picture.
 

JackBurton

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Uhhh, you know that is all great and all but I NEED MORE FREAKIN' SPACE! When the hell is Maxtor and IBM going to come out will 40GB platter with 4 platters! Damn, I NEED some 160GB drives! :)
 

*kjm

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My gosh.....160gig? What do you do? As for me with my business I am into speed and the faster the SCSI the better for me:) Soccerman I am running the same video as you. Like I said I run a business and the main game I play is Diablo2 and the Voodoo cards are still the best at that. So to each person out there take this as a lesson, everyone?s dream setup can be much different from your own. We can love our setup but don?t have to tell everyone that it is the best for them??.

P.S. what is the seek time?
 

Pariah

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Though it is nice to see some competition in the 15k SCSI drive sector, it looks like the competition is going to be pretty one sided. Considering IBM's drive is about 8 months after Seagate, the stats are not that impressive at all. The seek time for the 36GB version is slower than the X15. Seagate's next generation X15 will probably significantly outperform IBM's offering.
 

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JackBurton

160 gigs?? dang, that must be a lot of pr0n. ;) heh, j/k. this is awesome though, because competition means that x15's may come down to prices we mortals can afford.
 

JackBurton

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<< 160 gigs?? dang, that must be a lot of pr0n. heh, j/k. this is awesome though, because competition means that x15's may come down to prices we mortals can afford. >>


No NOT porn, DVDs...well, maybe porn on DVDs. :D j/k I NEED ALOT of space because I'd like to rip ALL my DVDs to the HD and not have to convert them to DivX. :| DivX is fine but I'd MUCH rather have the DVD quality with AC-3/DTS sound. No more stereo MP3s! :p 160GB sounds like ALOT but look at it this way...let's say ONE DVD is ~7GB. Well, that means you'd only have room for ~22 DVDs. You can see that you'll run out of room REAL quick! I'd like to have about 4 160GB drives in my server, stream it out to a PC near my HomeTheatre system, output the audio to my AC-3/DTS receiver and the video to my 35&quot; TV! What is cool about it is that you wouldn't need to get up off the couch and find your DVD movie. All you'd have to do it double click the movie (via your wireless mouse) and BAM, you're watching your movie! The other cool thing is that you can put another box in your bed room and pick from the same selection as the setup in the living room since everything is coming from the server. I'm streaming DVD videos right now but like I said, I NEED MORE FREAKIN' SPACE! So see, I'm not that crazy after all! :D
 

JackBurton

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That is some AWESOME news! But here is the bad part...

<< Single evaluation unit Suggested Retail Pricing (SRP) for the Barracuda 180 is $2195. >>

OUCH!!! Man, I'd MUCH rather have an EIDE for mass storage as the SCSI drives are VERY expensive! Oh well, it looks like this is a BIG step in the right direction. Thanks for the link man! :)