IBM 60GB Deskstar $99.00 @ Accesmicro.

[CKDragon]

<< Rumor has it (I've seen one other post from someone about this) that in some replacement drives they only used half of the platter, which is pretty silly if you ask me, but one 20 gig platter and one side of another 20 gig plater would be 30 gigs. I have no first hand experiance on if this is the case, just something someone mentioned in another thread. I understand that a number of people who send in 75gxps are getting 60gxps back, so perhaps thats why. >>



That seems like it would be more work than it's worth, but I'm sure weirder things have happened. I wonder if anyone could prove/disprove this? Thanks for the info, I learned something new

CK

 

[Whitneymuse]

 

[ChefJoe]

[edit] argh, I've lived my life misinformed about platters... I must die now

 

[Dreadogg]

<< Heheheh, apparently you haven't read the 60gxp specs, or the 120gxp specs. Page 50, under reliability, says you should run drive no more than 333 power on hours a month (comes out to about 11 hours a day), and that you will get 5 years life at that rate. Do the math, thats 20,000 hours of total life for the drive, barely 2 years at 24/7 usage. For more details and links to the OFFICIAL specs direct from IBM, I put a long post here: >>

apparently you have not been keeping up with the latest news!

 

[Dreadogg]

HERE!

 

[Devistater]

<<

<< Heheheh, apparently you haven't read the 60gxp specs, or the 120gxp specs. Page 50, under reliability, says you should run drive no more than 333 power on hours a month (comes out to about 11 hours a day), and that you will get 5 years life at that rate. Do the math, thats 20,000 hours of total life for the drive, barely 2 years at 24/7 usage. For more details and links to the OFFICIAL specs direct from IBM, I put a long post here: >>

apparently you have not been keeping up with the latest news! >>



Let me quote directly from IBM's specs, since apparently you didn't bother to read my long response on the other thread where I mention IBM's response.


<< 6.6.3 Life
Expected product life is 5 years under typical desktop PC usage conditions:
333 Power-On Hours (POH) per month.
Seeking/writing/reading operations to be 20% of POH at 40 degrees C or lower enviromental temperature" >>
>>



Thats a DIRECT quote from page 50 under section reliability of the OFFICIAL IBM specs for 120gxp drives (also on page 50 of 60gxp specs, I'll put the link to the 120gxp here, the other and more info is in the long post I referred to above)
http://www-3.ibm.com/storage/hdd/tech/techlib.nsf/techdocs/89A712F4E70A87C487256AFF00595B6B/$file/D120GXP_sp30.pdf

Let me quote the official IBM response to storage review (i.e. the one that the inquirer talks about
"Our "power-on hour" specification represents typical desktop PC usage. It is not an indication of the maximum number of power-on hours. Our customers have clearly used the drive in 24x7 operations successfully. Furthermore, ibm stands by the Deskstar 120GXP's 3-year warranty irrespective of power-on usage."

They claim that is not the max power on hours, perhaps the 333 hours is not the max, but they are skirting the real issue. Like it says in the specs, the "EXPECTED PRODUCT LIFE" of these hard drives are 5 years at 333 hours a month. Do the math, thats 20,000 hours expected life on the drive, about two years if you run it 24/7 and since only 20% of that is activly using the drive with reading/writing/seeking, if you use it 24/7 in a server enviroment that constantly uses the drive 24/7 then you get less than 6 months life (4,000 hours)

 

[Devistater]

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<< Rumor has it (I've seen one other post from someone about this) that in some replacement drives they only used half of the platter, which is pretty silly if you ask me, but one 20 gig platter and one side of another 20 gig plater would be 30 gigs. I have no first hand experiance on if this is the case, just something someone mentioned in another thread. I understand that a number of people who send in 75gxps are getting 60gxps back, so perhaps thats why. >>



That seems like it would be more work than it's worth, but I'm sure weirder things have happened. I wonder if anyone could prove/disprove this? Thanks for the info, I learned something new

CK >>



Actually, are you sure that's not what you mean by the 60 Gig 60GXPs ? each side of a platter is 20 gigs (they typically just say number of platters which is 2 per physical disk of glass), and so they use only part of that 2nd platter of glass. Doesn't make that much sense to me, but if that's a good compromise for someone about to buy a HD, fine with me. >>



20 gigs per platter is both sides of platter. So the 60gxp drives have 20gigs per platter, thats a total of 3 platters on the 60 gig version. As far as I know, if that weird thing about only using half a platter is true, its not very popular in retail configs. Anyway, if you look at the 60gxp specs, they list a 10 gig, 20gig, 30 gig, 40 gig, and 60 gig versions.

 

[Solokron]

How ironic. We go from IBM being one of the most reliable brands in hard drives to one of the worst in less than five years with Maxtor, known to not have an entirely stable product line, to one that is chosen often lately. You gotta love it.

 

[clarkmo]

IBM rulez. You guys don't know what you're talking about. Get a life. Good night. This wasn't a hot deal anyway. But newegg's prices on all the 60 giggers is.

 

[Devistater]

<< IBM rulez. You guys don't know what you're talking about. Get a life. Good night. This wasn't a hot deal anyway. But newegg's prices on all the 60 giggers is. >>




<< 6.6.3 Life
Expected product life is 5 years under typical desktop PC usage conditions:
333 Power-On Hours (POH) per month.
Seeking/writing/reading operations to be 20% of POH at 40 degrees C or lower enviromental temperature >>



This is what I'm talking about. The absurdly low (<20,000 hours) lifetime of the drive. Go read the OFFICIAL specs and see for yourself. When I buy a drive, I expect it to last longer than two years. So, no more IBM for me. I've bought IBM in the past, and have been satisfied so far, but since IBM put this incredably stupid spec in the documentation for the drive, I'm not going to buy any more of them. That and the ancedotal evidence of thier high failure rate. I really wish IBM would announce an official failure rate to see how bad the problem really is (or if its not a problem), but they never will.

 

[Tung]

too many problems with IBM harddrives

 

[Red Dawn]

<< IBM rulez. You guys don't know what you're talking about. Get a life. Good night. >>

Idiot Decoder= Don't tell me what I don't want to hear because I'm an IBM Fanboy.

BTW, all you IBM Fanboys that have been saying we are full of crap.. read it and weep Anandtech Hit by IBM Failure

Kyle over at Hard OCP has also reported having multiple Deathstars crap out on him!

 

[ChefJoe]

<<

<< IBM rulez. You guys don't know what you're talking about. Get a life. Good night. >>

Idiot Decoder= Don't tell me what I don't want to hear because I'm an IBM Fanboy.

BTW, all you IBM Fanboys that have been saying we are full of crap.. read it and weep Anandtech Hit by IBM Failure

Kyle over at Hard OCP has also reported having multiple Deathstars crap out on him! >>

''

I guess you're referring to all you "IBM Fanboys who are anandtech subscribers"?

 

[GoatHerderEd]

my bro got a IBM hdd, no clue what version. It was suposed to be really fast, but its kinda slow to me.

just some randome info.

 

[Devistater]

<<

<< IBM rulez. You guys don't know what you're talking about. Get a life. Good night. >>

Idiot Decoder= Don't tell me what I don't want to hear because I'm an IBM Fanboy.

BTW, all you IBM Fanboys that have been saying we are full of crap.. read it and weep Anandtech Hit by IBM Failure

Kyle over at Hard OCP has also reported having multiple Deathstars crap out on him! >>



Jeez, the 5th harddrive to fail that was keeping our forums going? I'm glad that the anandtech webmaster is changing to something else, 5th IBM drive to fail... that's pretty sad.

 

[clarkmo]

It's easy to confuse me with a fanboy but I'm not, really. I just wanna sleep at night. I just got a nice price on a 120gxp and I'm hearing I may have bought an Edsel. I don't wanna hear that. If I wanted to hear that I would go to the General Hardware forum.

"You want to hear the truth? You can't handle the truth!"

That's right. Now lay off. I'm gonna go take a nap.

 

[Devistater]

<< It's easy to confuse me with a fanboy but I'm not, really. I just wanna sleep at night. I just got a nice price on a 120gxp and I'm hearing I may have bought an Edsel. I don't wanna hear that. If I wanted to hear that I would go to the General Hardware forum. >>



Well, just make SURE to keep backups all the time. Do NOT put anything on it that you can't afford to lose. Personally I use CDR disks for my backups, but I need to do some more actually I have 2 ibm drives, but they are in a mirror raid setup so I'm not too worried, as long as they dont both fail at once I'm ok. IBM should honor the warranty as long as it's branded IBM (i.e. some of the drives from DELL were rebadged dell, and IBM doesn't handle those), but that won't help if you lose data, so backup

 

[Dreadogg]

hmmmmm I take back my words to support IBM after this weekend and seeing all these damn post about bad IBM drives ! There Happy?

 

[sonar]

Not if they were free.

 

[Devistater]

<< hmmmmm I take back my words to support IBM after this weekend and seeing all these damn post about bad IBM drives ! There Happy? >>



Yes... until I see another person who needs to be convinced j/k I felt like you did, until I saw the nasty stuff they had in the official specs. Even though I have 2 ibm drives, I'm darn glad I have them in a mirror raid setup right now.

 

[palidor]

i'm using a 40gb 60gxp in this computer, its been on 24/7 for 6 months with no problems

built computers for 2 friends with the same drive, they have no problems.. and hell, tomorrow i am building a system for someone with 2 of these drives in it

all of them have hard drive coolers.

 

[TranceNation]

looks like IBM is ditching their hard drive business.

 

[Zontor]

I'd also read the IBM is selling off its HDD portion of the business - Hitachi will acquire 70% of IBM's HDD business (according to the Wall St. Journal) with the option to purchase more of the division at a later date. So far my IBM 60 GB is running well...knock on wood....

 

[Sneezer]

Yes, IBM is selling their entire HDD business, will retain 30% share of the new venture for now. Link to story is here. I personally never bought any of their newer HDD that are having problems. My only experience was with their older models, that still run well, even with their 10gb or less capacity. I do have a travelstar 30gb model, runs well so far, but doesn't get near the use that a desktop would. Personally I would stay away from these drives for now.

 

[Soujiro]

My roomie just got this drive. I didn't know anything about the reliability, but this drive is loud as hell. Makes a high pitch whine that's really irritatiing. I mean I could hear it even with the case closed, whereas I can barely hear my WD drives.

Just some random Info.

Soujir0