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Ian McKellen claims some actresses exchanged sex for roles

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As a male who is constantly terrorized by and terrified of females, I can sympathize with McKellen's fears. Women are genetically superior to men in almost every way. They live longer, have fewer diseases, and have fewer genetic abnormalities. They are simply better than us. Knowing this, I fear they will soon conquer the world with their #MeToo movement. Ian McKellen agrees, and he's gay... so you know he respects women.


http://deadline.com/2017/12/ian-mckellan-sexual-harassment-women-kevin-spacey-1202229600/

Academy Award-nominated actor and advocate for equality Sir Ian McKellen recently addressed the numerous sexual harassment allegations running rampant through the industry saying that wrongful accusations can definitely have an impact. He also pointed out how earlier in his career, many women would have sex for roles.



During a talk at Oxford Union, according to the Daily Mail, McKellen applauded victims for coming forward about sexual harassment saying “it’s sometimes very difficult for victims to do that.” He added, “‘I hope we’re going through a period that will help to eradicate it altogether.”

He then went on to share his own experiences during the early ’60s. “The director of the theatre I was working at showed me some photographs he got from women who were wanting jobs,” he said. “Some of them had at the bottom of their photograph ‘DRR’ — directors’ rights respected. In other words, if you give me a job, you can have sex with me.” He pointed out how that was commonplace and said it was “madness.”
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Trading sexual favors for something in return is something young women have been doing since the dawn of Mankind. Where do you think the term "The Oldest Profession" came from? It is name that for a good reason.
 
Umm, women have MORE diseases. And the only reason they live longer is because of the typical male LIFESTYLE. It has nothing to do with their genes. Also I am betting you have no fucking clue exactly how many genetic abnormalities women OR men actually have.

And I dont know what any of that has to do with a statement about acting by Ian McKellen.
 
shortylickens said:
Umm, women have MORE diseases. And the only reason they live longer is because of the typical male LIFESTYLE. It has nothing to do with their genes. Also I am betting you have no fucking clue exactly how many genetic abnormalities women OR men actually have.

And I dont know what any of that has to do with a statement about acting by Ian McKellen.
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Wrong. Women are unequivocally superior to men. They live longer regardless of their "lifestyle" and in fact, women must undergo childbirth, which is incredibly stressful on the body and which men would not survive. See below:

http://www.bbc.com/future/story/20151001-why-women-live-longer-than-men

There are many potential mechanisms – starting with the bundles of DNA known as chromosomes within each cell. Chromosomes come in pairs, and whereas women have two X chromosomes, men have an X and a Y chromosome.

That difference may subtly alter the way that cells age. Having two X chromosomes, women keep double copies of every gene, meaning they have a spare if one is faulty. Men don’t have that back-up. The result is that more cells may begin to malfunction with time, putting men at greater risk of disease.
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Women also have a much lower infant mortality. From birth they are healthier than men, but this continues into old age. Women have a MUCH higher likelihood than men of becoming a super-centenarian.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5562818/

Women also have a lower incidence of Autism, Down's Syndrome, and other genetic disorders.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/2960497

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sex_differences_in_autism

They are simply better than us. Men are nature's way of gambling... and as anybody who's visited Vegas knows - When you gamble, you lose more than you win. This is why so many men are genetic LOSERS. They have problems, while generally women come out much better.

There is only one thing men can occasionally do better, and that is peak performance. Men have a MUCH wider distribution in IQ and other performance metrics, which results in LOTS of retards but also a few really, really smart men. This is why you still see men dominating the highest achievement levels in business and science. There are a few of us who are intelligent and useful.


But, for the most part, men are genetic losers who are inferior to women.
 
wait a second...arguing that men would not survive child birth, therefore woman are superior is the same as arguing that a Nissan Sentra is unable to haul 10 tons of timber compared to a boom truck, and is therefore inferior.

I'm not saying that women aren't superior...but that's a stupid comment. First off, Men don't have the hips for childbirth, and there is a reason for that. But you are correct about certain classes of disease susceptibility, but this is primarily due to sex-chromosome specific abnormalities, but it really isn't that much of an advantage. Fragile X, for one, is often fatal for males, but typically renders a female below the spectrum on top of other delayed developmental milestones, all depending on severity. Women are more susceptible to certain neurological and, I think, heart-specific conditions, however.
 
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This whole thread is confusing. Just because some girls have let me stick it in their butt doesn't mean that it's okay for me to stick it in any females butt. So yes, some girls offered sex to get a job, it doesn't mean you should expect that to be the norm or discount the ones that have been assaulted and/or had other sexual predatory actions pushed on them.
 
shortylickens said:
Umm, women have MORE diseases. And the only reason they live longer is because of the typical male LIFESTYLE. It has nothing to do with their genes. Also I am betting you have no fucking clue exactly how many genetic abnormalities women OR men actually have.

And I dont know what any of that has to do with a statement about acting by Ian McKellen.
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It's not lifestyle. Its genetics. The men living shorter lifestyles than women is consistent across nearly all cultures in the world.
Testosterone alone explains a lot of the CV risk and why men have heart attacks 10-15 years before women do. This doesn't mean that women are superior (length of life isn't really a test of superiority as if such a test existed anyway). I like to think men and women are equal. Men are better at somethings, women at others but overall generally no advantage to having one or the other around because there is a ton of individual overlap.

Anyway what does this have to do with women having sex for roles? We know that was already happening. It'd be shocking to hear the women were spontaneously volunteering sex for roles but not as shocking to hear that men were implying (or using even stronger terms) the role would be available if there was sex given and then women reluctantly taking it the sordid deal. Currently it seems things favor the latter based on what is being said by the media but who knows... Stories that make their way to the media have a natural selection bias amongst a ton of other biases.
 
zinfamous said:
wait a second...arguing that men would not survive child birth, therefore woman are superior is the same as arguing that a Nissan Sentra is unable to haul 10 tons of timber compared to a boom truck, and is therefore inferior.

I'm not saying that women aren't superior...but that's a stupid comment. First off, Men don't have the hips for childbirth, and there is a reason for that. But you are correct about certain classes of disease susceptibility, but this is primarily due to sex-chromosome specific abnormalities, but it really isn't that much of an advantage. Fragile X, for one, is often fatal for males, but typically renders a female below the spectrum on top of other delayed developmental milestones, all depending on severity. Women are more susceptible to certain neurological and, I think, heart-specific conditions, however.
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It seems as if women are far more prone to auto-immune conditions. Seems as if anything that isn't well-understood but is strongly suspected of being due to the immune system over-reacting in some way, turns out to be much more commonly afflicting women (source: being a hypochondriac and looking such things up on a number of occasions).

Logic, to me, suggests that might be due to women having stronger immune systems that give more protection against many things, but which also can cause problems by over-doing it. Which in turn might have something to do with said immune system having to protect a foetus as well as the individual. Maybe.

Anyway, comments about 'genetically superior' seem like sucking-up-to-women 'male feminism' at it's cringe-inducing worst, and, more problematically, seem to involve accepting a way of thinking that is characteristic of the guys who wave flags in Charlottesville. There are probably differences, and some of them may be genetic, but so what?

Ian McKellen made a throw-away remark involving some show-biz reminiscence that wasn't actually relevant to the topic he was supposed to be talking about, but I don't think he should be condemned for it (from what I've read so far at least). Just point out it's not really relevant and it doesn't help to bring it up in this context, and move on.
 
The pendulum swings from moore and worse, to seduction for advancement (either way).. Men like woman, women like men, but in the latter, a deals a deal.
 
Female chimpanzees exchange sex for food and political favors. Not really much different when you think about it.

I've heard of sex being used to facilitate business deals, influence hiring decisions, grades, votes, and obviously just make money. Not a huge revelation really.
 
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pmv said:
Anyway, comments about 'genetically superior' seem like sucking-up-to-women 'male feminism' at it's cringe-inducing worst, and, more problematically, seem to involve accepting a way of thinking that is characteristic of the guys who wave flags in Charlottesville. There are probably differences, and some of them may be genetic, but so what?

Ian McKellen made a throw-away remark involving some show-biz reminiscence that wasn't actually relevant to the topic he was supposed to be talking about, but I don't think he should be condemned for it (from what I've read so far at least). Just point out it's not really relevant and it doesn't help to bring it up in this context, and move on.
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I'd just like to confirm your citation of cringe, as well as congratulate you on winning the thread with that.
 
Women are the superior sex. It's not "male feminism", it's a fact.

If that makes you cringe I wonder what is wrong with you...
 
FIVR said:
Wrong. Women are unequivocally superior to men. They live longer regardless of their "lifestyle" and in fact, women must undergo childbirth, which is incredibly stressful on the body and which men would not survive. See below:

http://www.bbc.com/future/story/20151001-why-women-live-longer-than-men



Women also have a much lower infant mortality. From birth they are healthier than men, but this continues into old age. Women have a MUCH higher likelihood than men of becoming a super-centenarian.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5562818/

Women also have a lower incidence of Autism, Down's Syndrome, and other genetic disorders.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/2960497

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sex_differences_in_autism

They are simply better than us. Men are nature's way of gambling... and as anybody who's visited Vegas knows - When you gamble, you lose more than you win. This is why so many men are genetic LOSERS. They have problems, while generally women come out much better.

There is only one thing men can occasionally do better, and that is peak performance. Men have a MUCH wider distribution in IQ and other performance metrics, which results in LOTS of retards but also a few really, really smart men. This is why you still see men dominating the highest achievement levels in business and science. There are a few of us who are intelligent and useful.


But, for the most part, men are genetic losers who are inferior to women.
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There is a whopping 3 year average longevity difference between men and women in the US. At least some of that is due to men having higher rates of death by misadventure and homicide. Some of it is also biology. You're right about that. But then again, this fairly minor (probably 1-2 year) difference in longevity due to biological differences hardly makes women "superior." It doesn't give them more wealth. It doesn't give them more power. It doesn't give them more morality.

Men and women are different. Neither is superior to the other. Because evolution is responsible for whatever biological differences there are, no matter what those differences, we're both exactly as we're supposed to be.
 
woolfe9998 said:
There is a whopping 3 year average longevity difference between men and women in the US. At least some of that is due to men having higher rates of death by misadventure and homicide. Some of it is also biology. You're right about that. But then again, this fairly minor (probably 1-2 year) difference in longevity due to biological differences hardly makes women "superior." It doesn't give them more wealth. It doesn't give them more power. It doesn't give them more morality.

Men and women are different. Neither is superior to the other. Because evolution is responsible for whatever biological differences there are, no matter what those differences, we're both exactly as we're supposed to be.
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We are inferior.

Historically, during the millions of years of human history untold, men were always expendable. We were useful for protection (mostly from other males) and for genetic material but we were always valued less than women for the simple reason that a woman can produce children. Often the ratios of women to men were 4 to 1 or more and those societies functioned fine. There are historical examples in the US, such as the mormons, where each man would have 5 wives and they would discard any male children so as to maintain that ratio. in the colony.


I'm not saying that females should be given special rights or that they are inherently better than us, but I am saying that women are, on average, superior to men genetically, physically, socially, and functionally.

Don't let it get you down. Some men won the lottery and ended up with great genes, but they were few. Perhaps you are one of those.
 
FIVR said:
We are inferior.

Historically, during the millions of years of human history untold, men were always expendable. We were useful for protection (mostly from other males) and for genetic material but we were always valued less than women for the simple reason that a woman can produce children. Often the ratios of women to men were 4 to 1 or more and those societies functioned fine. There are historical examples in the US, such as the mormons, where each man would have 5 wives and they would discard any male children so as to maintain that ratio. in the colony.


I'm not saying that females should be given special rights or that they are inherently better than us, but I am saying that women are, on average, superior to men genetically, physically, socially, and functionally.

Don't let it get you down. Some men won the lottery and ended up with great genes, but they were few. Perhaps you are one of those.
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I don't let any of it "get me down" or, frankly, take any of it very seriously. Honestly, I am amused that you claim to be "terrorized by" and "terrified of" females.

I hope you aren't under the impression that saying women are superior will get you laid, because if so, you're likely to be sorely disappointed.
 
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woolfe9998 said:
I hope you aren't under the impression that saying women are superior will get you laid, because if so, you're likely to be sorely disappointed.
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That is quite the sexist sentiment you expressed there. You betray your regressive views about men and women with these comments. In your mind, men are "equals" and "different", yet obviously are totally obsessed with "getting laid" and you ascribe that as my motivation. You have some reflecting to do, I think.
 
GagHalfrunt said:
Want to know which actresses have exchanged sex for roles? Easy. If they're hot, over 18 and can't act and yet still have credits they know which side of a casting couch is up.
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And I thought Kate Hudson kept getting rom com leads because of her left parents.
 
woolfe9998 said:
I don't let any of it "get me down" or, frankly, take any of it very seriously. Honestly, I am amused that you claim to be "terrorized by" and "terrified of" females.

I hope you aren't under the impression that saying women are superior will get you laid, because if so, you're likely to be sorely disappointed.
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Shhhhhhh.... don't them that.... It's funny to watch... repetitively over and over... generation from generation..
 
FIVR said:
That is quite the sexist sentiment you expressed there. You betray your regressive views about men and women with these comments. In your mind, men are "equals" and "different", yet obviously are totally obsessed with "getting laid" and you ascribe that as my motivation. You have some reflecting to do, I think.
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It's one plausible explanation of your comments. It could be something else, sure.

What _is_ your motivation for putting women on a pedestal (with a hint of self-pity), then? Old-fashioned sexism? Because that is the sort of thing old-school 'gallant' sexist men used to come out with (better than rabid misogynist types, but also maybe just the flip-side of the same mentality?). Surely it's healthier to just accept we are all flawed human-beings, not alien species?

And your emphasis on 'genetic superiority' has unpleasant implications as it's exactly the terminology Nazis use. You say one isn't 'better' than the other, but what do you think 'superior' means, then? It implies you accept in principle at least the possibility that a race could be 'genetically superior' to another.

You give being supportive of feminism a bad name, with that sort of nonsense.
 
pmv said:
It seems as if women are far more prone to auto-immune conditions. Seems as if anything that isn't well-understood but is strongly suspected of being due to the immune system over-reacting in some way, turns out to be much more commonly afflicting women (source: being a hypochondriac and looking such things up on a number of occasions).

Logic, to me, suggests that might be due to women having stronger immune systems that give more protection against many things, but which also can cause problems by over-doing it. Which in turn might have something to do with said immune system having to protect a foetus as well as the individual. Maybe.

Anyway, comments about 'genetically superior' seem like sucking-up-to-women 'male feminism' at it's cringe-inducing worst, and, more problematically, seem to involve accepting a way of thinking that is characteristic of the guys who wave flags in Charlottesville. There are probably differences, and some of them may be genetic, but so what?

Ian McKellen made a throw-away remark involving some show-biz reminiscence that wasn't actually relevant to the topic he was supposed to be talking about, but I don't think he should be condemned for it (from what I've read so far at least). Just point out it's not really relevant and it doesn't help to bring it up in this context, and move on.
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Might have something to do with the expectation that a female body will be carrying one or more long-term Biologically-defined parasites within their uterus, at some point(s) during a lifetime.
 
FIVR said:
That is quite the sexist sentiment you expressed there. You betray your regressive views about men and women with these comments. In your mind, men are "equals" and "different", yet obviously are totally obsessed with "getting laid" and you ascribe that as my motivation. You have some reflecting to do, I think.
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I was making a joke, not at the expense of women, but at the expense of you. You take yourself way too seriously.
 
FIVR said:
As a male who is constantly terrorized by and terrified of females, I can sympathize with McKellen's fears. Women are genetically superior to men in almost every way. They live longer, have fewer diseases, and have fewer genetic abnormalities. They are simply better than us. Knowing this, I fear they will soon conquer the world with their #MeToo movement. Ian McKellen agrees, and he's gay... so you know he respects women.


http://deadline.com/2017/12/ian-mckellan-sexual-harassment-women-kevin-spacey-1202229600/
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That's not entirely true, I know a fair amount of gay men that are grossed out by women with very little respect for them. One in particular is one of my closest friend's boyfriend and it took me years to win him over. My close friend himself loves women but has little respect for them. Neither of them puts any value in what women think or say.
 
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