Iam sick of hearing about Michelle Kwan

[gopunk]

no, spending 50 grand a stinking dress that you will wear one time is odd. actually, it's stupid to most people, a waste of money. i don't care if it is her money. it speaks of her silly character.

it's stupid to most people because they wouldn't be able to pay their bills if they bought a dress like that. i dunno how rich she is, but i assume that she is not in financial ruin because of that dress.

the olympics used to be about amateurs. i think when some "star" comes in wearing a $50,000 dress she deserves the labels that she gets.

the olympics have always been about athletic competition. to my knowledge, most countries send their best athletes. i don't see why there should be discrimination against atheletes who make a lot in endorsements.

 

[StormRider]

<< It's because of all the Chinese/Japanese/Korean people in the U.S. If the Winter Olympics aren't "All Oriental-American Figure Skaters, All The Time!", then America is a racist country. Oh yeah, and if you seriously think that Sarah Hughes won then you are racist, because everyone knows the judges are prejudiced against Chinese people.
>>



Where did this stupid tirade come from? :|

I have never seen any posts from any Asian American saying they thought Michelle deserved to win the gold. I have never heard of any complaints about the outcome nor of any threats to lodge a formal protest.

Most every comment (including mine in another thread) stated that we all thought Sarah Hughes deserved the gold. I'm happy that Sarah won because she skated the most difficult program and did it flawlessly while all the other skaters messed up and/or skated a "safer" program.

The only statements I've heard is that before the actual competition, a lot of people hoped that Michelle would do well and win the gold because:

1) She was one of the best skaters ever in the history of women's skaters.
2) She won every other event except the "big one".
3) She's getting older and this is probably her last chance at getting a gold.

 

[Croton]

just because her dress is $50,000 makes her a bad person???

u guys might have thought that she may have not even had to pay for it ? Think about this -- Kwan was watched by millions of people,and Vera Wang could have gotten awesome exposure for just giveing Kwan the dress to wear.....

 

[swayinOtis]

<< just because her dress is $50,000 makes her a bad person???

u guys might have thought that she may have not even had to pay for it ? Think about this -- Kwan was watched by millions of people,and Vera Wang could have gotten awesome exposure for just giveing Kwan the dress to wear..... >>



i never said she was a bad person. where do you people come up with crap like that?

you have a good point about not paying for the dress. it was probably given to her so vera wang coiuld get some free advertising.

 

[Supradude]

eh my 2 cents...

personally i thought she was robbed in nagano... but that aside she wasted another 4 years of her life to train for this year, and i think it's sad that she wasn't able to perform her best because i for one feels she does deserve a gold medal.

as for the routine difficulty, i think this is just what it always comes down to in skating and gymnastics and sports of this type. Youth will eventually prevail... the reason being when kwan started skating jumps like 3x axles were just being introduced in womens skating and could only be done well by a select few... now its a norm... it's hard for veterans to learn new tricks... i.e. i doubt any of the male pro's on the stars on ice tour can do a 4x jump... personally i don't like the trend mainly because it takes away from the overall picture... younger skaters can do the more difficult moves but usually at a cost of presentation... they can pull it off, but mainly because of their size and increased centripetal forces when they spin... eh, i'm rambling on now...

they should probably start capping a more realistic age limit for skaters and a more concrete judging system...

 

[LXi]

<<personally i thought she was robbed in nagano... but that aside she wasted another 4 years of her life to train for this year, and i think it's sad that she wasn't able to perform her best because i for one feels she does deserve a gold medal.

as for the routine difficulty, i think this is just what it always comes down to in skating and gymnastics and sports of this type. Youth will eventually prevail... the reason being when kwan started skating jumps like 3x axles were just being introduced in womens skating and could only be done well by a select few... now its a norm... it's hard for veterans to learn new tricks... i.e. i doubt any of the male pro's on the stars on ice tour can do a 4x jump... personally i don't like the trend mainly because it takes away from the overall picture... younger skaters can do the more difficult moves but usually at a cost of presentation... they can pull it off, but mainly because of their size and increased centripetal forces when they spin... eh, i'm rambling on now...>>

Unlike the men's competition, the women's competition has not made any significant advancements since the Nagano games. The most difficult jump for a woman to perform is still the triple-triple combination, it was true in 98, it's still true now, no woman skater now can do triple axels or quads, that hasn't changed. Tara Lipinski was able to do a triple-triple in Nagano, Michelle Kwan was not, that gold metal decision was debatable. If these judges really wanted to be sentimental because of Kwan's background, then they would not have botched two chances to crown her the gold metal. Learning the sacred triple-triple combination is not old dog trying to learn new trick, it has been performed by women before Kwan's time, and she had four years to master this jump but she showed no sign of improvement here in Salt Lake, turning her planned triple-triple into a typical triple-double, which is why it was pretty much a consensus that she did not deserve the gold this time. Some people tell me they don't care about technicality, I say fine, the judges care. Triple-triple combination jumps will soon be a norm in women's figure skating, the same effect Quadruple jumps had on the men's figure skating, back in Nagano, quads were unheard of, now they're taken for granted. To sum it up, for Michelle Kwan to have any chance in winning a gold metal in the next Olympics, she absolutely has to turn up a notch in her technical skills, while try to maintain her edge on the artistic side. Even then, I would say her chances are slim, because we have these young kids who are technically superior to her and are still improving. It's hard to squeeze out anymore improvements out of Michelle Kwan.


<<they should probably start capping a more realistic age limit for skaters and a more concrete judging system...>>

Age limit wouldn't be practical, if a country has a great champion, it would be desired for him/her to be on Olympic stage as long as he/she can, setting age limits shortens their Olympic career which is really not what the countries or the Olympics want. But I agree there ought to be some changes to the judging system.

 

[gogeeta13]

<< I'm glad she didn't win. She sounded like a stuck up bitch when they interviewed her. She said that she "expected" to get the gold. STFU you whiny little twit, be glad you got a medal at all you ungrateful little runt!:| >>



/me high fives Brandon

I am also glad sarah hughes won, all those other chics had no good ol' american breasts. That one sasha cohen girl was so flat, you could build a sea world dolphin on her(what the hell was that metaphor i just made?)

 

[Nickyct]

Come on guys be nice. She's representing our country. Being an athelite, winning gold at the Olympic is the ultimate dream that any athelite could ever dream off. The whole world was putting pressure on her to get that gold. Everywhere you look everywhere you turn you hear your name being mentioned. Damn, I get annoyed just hearing poeple calling my name more than three times at work.

She skated better at other competition because it's less pressure. Personally I think the Russian girl should have won. I think she's a lot better than Sarah.
I saw Sarah skated and wasn't that impressive. With her height she cannot jump that high, It's looks like she's only two inches off the ice when she jumps. But it's unfortuanate for Kwan. She fell even that her score was still higher than Sarah untill the Russian girl skated. I don't know how her score jumped after that.

It's becoming like a joke now. It's not a sport anymore. All politics. Last I heard, russian want the Russian girl to get the Gold too. Hey if they can give the Canadian gold why not the russian right ?

 

[Peetoeng]

<<
Unlike the men's competition, the women's competition has not made any significant advancements since the Nagano games. The most difficult jump for a woman to perform is still the triple-triple combination, it was true in 98, it's still true now, no woman skater now can do triple axels or quads, that hasn't changed. Tara Lipinski was able to do a triple-triple in Nagano, Michelle Kwan was not, that gold metal decision was debatable. If these judges really wanted to be sentimental because of Kwan's background, then they would not have botched two chances to crown her the gold metal. Learning the sacred triple-triple combination is not old dog trying to learn new trick, it has been performed by women before Kwan's time, and she had four years to master this jump but she showed no sign of improvement here in Salt Lake, turning her planned triple-triple into a typical triple-double, which is why it was pretty much a consensus that she did not deserve the gold this time. Some people tell me they don't care about technicality, I say fine, the judges care. Triple-triple combination jumps will soon be a norm in women's figure skating, the same effect Quadruple jumps had on the men's figure skating, back in Nagano, quads were unheard of, now they're taken for granted. To sum it up, for Michelle Kwan to have any chance in winning a gold metal in the next Olympics, she absolutely has to turn up a notch in her technical skills, while try to maintain her edge on the artistic side. Even then, I would say her chances are slim, because we have these young kids who are technically superior to her and are still improving. It's hard to squeeze out anymore improvements out of Michelle Kwan. >>



I root for those that push the limit technically and artistically. I was glad that Kerrigan didn't win gold eventhough she executed her long program without error. But her program was plain compared to the that of the other skater (a teenage twit from one sovyet repulic that could spin while holding one of her ankle behind her back which has become more common since).

I suppose Kwan was just playing safe after getting the first place in the short program.

 

[NFS4]

Well, I guess Kwan's endorsements won't be as "potent" as before...I guess we'll be seeing Sarah's face all over the place now.

Kwan is good, but I hate stuck up biatches who think that they are queen of the ice. I think that "WE" the American public are partly to blame for hyping her up so much. She had the feeling that she could do no wrong and that she WOULD win the gold. But it's also her responsibility to understand that the world doesn't revolve around her and that other people can skate just as good or better than her. I think that Sarah came in with the right kind of attitude. She skated to be her best, not to get the gold. For Kwan, it was more of proving something since she got whipped by Lipinski in '98.

So I'm glad that Kwan got her ass beat this time...sucks for her, but that's life (heh, I bet that her long-time coach that she fired is laughing his ass off right now...I know I would). There was an American at the top of the podium at the end of the day; that's good enough for me

 

[LXi]

<<Personally I think the Russian girl should have won. I think she's a lot better than Sarah.>>

Nothing matters if you can't show your skills in competition. Regardless of how much better Slutskaya really is, her program was not as difficult as Hughes', she, like Kwan, was playing safe technically and hope to edge out Hughes artistically, little did she and Kwan know that there's a lot of disparity amongst the judges, and there were just not enough judges who thought she was better than Hughes. The rankings were so sparadic, the Russian and Dennish judges placed Hughes 4th, but it was the Finnish judge that made the difference


<<I saw Sarah skated and wasn't that impressive. With her height she cannot jump that high, It's looks like she's only two inches off the ice when she jumps.>>

You must be kidding. The height of the jump isn't what it's all about, being able to nail two triple-triple combinations should indicate of how good a jumper she is, now there is a luck factor in competitions, but Hughes' program was certainly not inferior to Slutskaya's or Kwan's. If you saw the champion's gala exhibition skate on Friday night, you'd know Hughes is not a bad jumper at all.


<<But it's unfortuanate for Kwan. She fell even that her score was still higher than Sarah untill the Russian girl skated. I don't know how her score jumped after that.>>

Kwan never scored higher than Hughes in the long program, after Kwan skated, she was 2nd to Hughes in the long program, but she's still 1st place overall because she was first in the short program. To jump from 4th place to 1st overall, Hughes had to win the long program, and hope the short program winner(Kwan) will finish no better than 3rd. It was extremely confusing, but Slutskaya was the key, Hughes would not have won it if Slutskaya hadn't pushed Kwan down from 2nd to 3rd. For Slutskaya, I guess at least she can feel good about beating Kwan, having lost to Hughes alone is better than losing to both Kwan and Hughes.


<<Kwan is good, but I hate stuck up biatches who think that they are queen of the ice. I think that "WE" the American public are partly to blame for hyping her up so much. She had the feeling that she could do no wrong and that she WOULD win the gold. But it's also her responsibility to understand that the world doesn't revolve around her and that other people can skate just as good or better than her. I think that Sarah came in with the right kind of attitude. She skated to be her best, not to get the gold. For Kwan, it was more of proving something since she got whipped by Lipinski in '98.

So I'm glad that Kwan got her ass beat this time...sucks for her, but that's life (heh, I bet that her long-time coach that she fired is laughing his ass off right now...I know I would). There was an American at the top of the podium at the end of the day; that's good enough for me>>

Amen, brother.

 

[pleasehavemercy]

I beg of you....please please tell me how to avoid seeing or hearing Michelle Kwan....she has been hired by Fox to commentate...I was truly hoping that that would never happen....it's a done deal....I want to enjoy the Olympics without her...I don't know why she is commentating at all let alone at the Olympics...I thought that was reserved for Gold Medalists but be that as it may I absolutely loathe the sight and sound of this woman...l may be in the minority but I am sincerely reaching out to anyone who can help me simply avoid it....that's all....Fox asked if it was a good decision but that was after the fact:thumbsdown:




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[Imp]

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