i7 1336 and i7 1156

[Skott]

Okay, so I just heard about these new i7 chips supposedly hitting the market around about September supposedly and I'm trying to wrap my head around the naming confusion Intel seems to like doing. The original i7 is a socket 1336 chip and the new i7 is supposedly a socket 1156.

Reading what little info is availble I'm under the impression that as far as performance goes the original i7 920 is the better way to go instead of the first two new i7 chips? i870 and i860 I think they are going to be called. They have higher clock speeds than the original i7 920 supposedly though.

Anyway, I was thinking of making the jump from LG775 to the i7 920 1336 end of this year and was wondering which i7 is the one to get performance wise. Anyone got a clue as to which i7 is the better way to go? Thanks in advance.

 

[nyker96]

i think i7s are all on 1366. some how I doubt intel will put a premium chip into a sub par platform, this will generate a ton of confusions for the buying market, i'd certainly be one of those people.

 

[geokilla]

Is this what you're looking for?

http://anandtech.com/cpuchipse...howdoc.aspx?i=3570&p=1

I think Intel's going to rebrand their Core series, so that i7 is going to be like the Core 2 series, i5 will be like the current Pentium, and i9 will be enthusiasts only or something like that. Don't really remember what the AnandTech article talked bout, nor am I really interested in reading it again.

 

[aka1nas]

IIRC, its something like:

i9: Hex-Core, 12 threads
i7: Quad-Core, 8 threads
i5: Quad-Core, 4 threads
i3: Dual-Core, ? threads, integrated (weak) GPU

So the main differentiator between an i5 and i7 would be whether is is Hyperthreaded rather than which socket it is on.

 

[Skott]

Originally posted by: geokilla
Is this what you're looking for?

http://anandtech.com/cpuchipse...howdoc.aspx?i=3570&p=1

I think Intel's going to rebrand their Core series, so that i7 is going to be like the Core 2 series, i5 will be like the current Pentium, and i9 will be enthusiasts only or something like that. Don't really remember what the AnandTech article talked bout, nor am I really interested in reading it again.

Thanks for that link, Geo. I guess we'll find out next month what actual pricing and performance is with these new chips. I have time yet to wait. I'm just starting to consider a new build. Not sure if I'll have the money end of the year or wait till beginning of next year. We should definately know by then.

Edit: I have no real interest in i3 or i5. That i9 could be something to have although my interest lies with a i7 at this point.

 

[IntelUser2000]

Originally posted by: nyker96
i think i7s are all on 1366. some how I doubt intel will put a premium chip into a sub par platform, this will generate a ton of confusions for the buying market, i'd certainly be one of those people.

Subpar? Maybe 2-3% slower per clock but that's it. The similarly priced Core i7 8xx(Socket 1156) will REPLACE Core i7 9xx(Socket 1366).

Core i7 870>Core i7 940
Core i7 860>Core i7 920

And you'll spend less on the motherboard.

Update:

i9: Hex-Core, 12 threads

Apparently, Gulftown might be name Core i7 1000.

 

[ilkhan]

newest chart has clarkdale names. http://img200.yfrog.com/img200/1501/capturebyo.jpg

Intel: i7 8xx is NOT replacing i7 9xx. i9 9xx (or i9 10xx) will replace i7 9xx.

 

[IntelUser2000]

Originally posted by: ilkhan
newest chart has clarkdale names. http://img200.yfrog.com/img200/1501/capturebyo.jpg

Intel: i7 8xx is NOT replacing i7 9xx. i9 9xx (or i9 10xx) will replace i7 9xx.

Ok maybe I phrased it differently. But, according to Intel roadmaps, i7 860 is the "replacment" for the i7 920, and i7 870 is the "replacement" for the i7 950. The 9xx platform itself won't be placed, but couple of the CPUs will.

 

[ilkhan]

no, they'll run concurrently.

 

[IntelUser2000]

Sigh. It'll sell together but when Lynnfield comes out, the 9xx platform will basically become irrelevant.

Do you see this?: http://diy.pconline.com.cn/cpu...ws/0907/1717513_1.html
And this?: http://pc.watch.impress.co.jp/.../html/kaigai1.jpg.html

Q3 the 9xx will take 2% of the entire CPU shipment and by Q4 it'll go down to <0.5%. At the moment the 9xx takes the all-significant <5%. Which means, 80% of Core i5/i7 sales will be shifted from Bloomfield to Lynnfield.

Oh and I hear with 2xGPU Lynnfield becomes relatively better compared to Bloomfield.

 

[Beanie46]

Originally posted by: IntelUser2000
Sigh. It'll sell together but when Lynnfield comes out, the 9xx platform will basically become irrelevant.

Do you see this?: http://diy.pconline.com.cn/cpu...ws/0907/1717513_1.html
And this?: http://pc.watch.impress.co.jp/.../html/kaigai1.jpg.html

Q3 the 9xx will take 2% of the entire CPU shipment and by Q4 it'll go down to <0.5%. At the moment the 9xx takes the all-significant <5%. Which means, 80% of Core i5/i7 sales will be shifted from Bloomfield to Lynnfield.

Oh and I hear with 2xGPU Lynnfield becomes relatively better compared to Bloomfield.

Yes, I saw the roadmap you linked, and as far as I can see, Core i7/1366 platform and 920 is going to be around another year at least....

And as far as the 1366 platform disappearing, I seriously doubt the platform Intel developed for servers (yes, the 1366 was to be the server side as opposed to the 1156 being the consumer side, much akin to the 771/775 sockets currently in use) will be dropped anytime soon, esp. given the Gulftown cpus for 1366 are supposed to be a direct drop in on 1366 socketed X58 motherboards, albeit with a probable BIOS update.

And Gulftown will probably be the cpu that can finally utilize the tri-channel memory bandwidth to more of its full potential, while 1156 trudges along with its dual channel memory controllers.

 

[Axon]

1366 won't disappear, but I don't think many will prefer it for mainstream desktop use.

 

[yh125d]

i7 1366 - quad with HT, trip chan, QPI
i7 1156 - quad with HT
i5 - quad no HT, or dual with HT
i3 - dual no HT

All 1156 are dual channel RAM, no QPI, but integrated PCI-e controller for lower latency but fewer lanes.


Feel free to correct me if I'm wrong

 

[AdamK47]

Originally posted by: yh125d
i7 1366 - quad with HT, trip chan, QPI
i7 1156 - quad with HT
i5 - quad no HT, or dual with HT
i3 - dual no HT

All 1156 are dual channel RAM, no QPI, but integrated PCI-e controller for lower latency but fewer lanes.


Feel free to correct me if I'm wrong

You are correct.

I'll be keeping my old yet superior 1366 thank you very much!

 

[ArchAngel777]

Originally posted by: AdamK47

Originally posted by: yh125d
i7 1366 - quad with HT, trip chan, QPI
i7 1156 - quad with HT
i5 - quad no HT, or dual with HT
i3 - dual no HT

All 1156 are dual channel RAM, no QPI, but integrated PCI-e controller for lower latency but fewer lanes.


Feel free to correct me if I'm wrong

You are correct.

I'll be keeping my old yet superior 1366 thank you very much!

I am a current Core i7 @ 4Ghz owner, but I am not willing to declare such a 'superior' status for my chip. I am not saying you are wrong, in fact, I would not be upset either way. However, i think it is far to early to declare whether or not the new P55/P57 chipset is going to be inferior. It may be in certain aspects, just like it might be superior in other aspects. I think we need more data before making a conclusion. However, at the time, if the 'leaked' benchmarks are correct, it would appear to be in favor your statement. I just am not willing to make the conclusion until full review are released.

 

[Skott]

Okay, looking at the chart and what info is being said here it sounds (I'm still confused so I could be totally wrong) that the i7 920 currently out is going to be better than the new i7 860. These two suppsedly to be at same price. Of course we wont know for sure till we see some actual test results. I'm looking forward to that. This whole naming scheme Intel is doing is really messed up. Sometimes I think they do it intentionally and then sit back and have a good laugh about it.

 

[ilkhan]

Its really not that confusing. Just ignore the ix and focus on the first of the 3 digit model number, I.E. 8xx, 9xx, 5xx, etc.

 

[aigomorla]

Originally posted by: aka1nas
IIRC, its something like:

i9: Hex-Core, 12 threads
i7: Quad-Core, 8 threads
i5: Quad-Core, 4 threads
i3: Dual-Core, ? threads, integrated (weak) GPU

So the main differentiator between an i5 and i7 would be whether is is Hyperthreaded rather than which socket it is on.

then whats the 8 core beckton called?

 

[ilkhan]

beckton isn't a desktop CPU, it will fit in the xeon lineup.

 

[IntelUser2000]

Originally posted by: aigomorla

then whats the 8 core beckton called?

Xeon 7500 series.

 

[aigomorla]

Originally posted by: ilkhan
beckton isn't a desktop CPU, it will fit in the xeon lineup.

i think we got rid of the line of xeon vs desktop.

The LGA1366 platform expecially now with 2 unlocked xeon's that are available and that work in standard X58 boards.

W3570 and W3580 are both unlocked. (yes i own both of them. )

Originally posted by: ilkhan
beckton isn't a desktop CPU, it will fit in the xeon lineup.

Shhhhhhh..... yeah i know its not a LGA1366, but i wanted to throw a wrench in this thread and see where it went.

 

[ilkhan]

unlocked as in unlocked multiplier? That sounds interesting.

 

[Soleron]

No one's got it right yet.

i7 9xx - LGA1366, Quad-core, 8M L3 cache, Tri-channel memory + HT + Turbo
i7 8xx - LGA1156, Quad-core, 8M L3 cache, Dual-channel memory + HT + Turbo
i5 7xx - LGA1156, Quad-core, 8M L3 cache, Dual-channel memory + Turbo
i5 6xx - LGA1156, Dual-core, 4M L3 cache, Dual-channel memory + HT + Turbo
i3 5xx - LGA1156, Dual-core, 4M L3 cache, Dual-channel memory + HT
Pentium - LGA1156, Dual-core, 3M L3 cache, Dual-channel memory

Make sense?

 

[ilkhan]

that looks right me, Soleron.

 

[ScorcherDarkly]

It'd be really nice if Intel would just tell us directly whether or not the i7 8xx is supposed to be a replacement for the i7 9xx so the speculation can end. Right now it seems like we're not going to know until the new chips land on the market.