i5-4690 pricing?

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zir_blazer

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Intel pricing strategy seems to involve replacing a current model at a given price point with a newer model slighty faster at the same price, then discontinuing the previous model. They usually don't let older models to fall down a lot in retail price, and maintain them releasing new models that occupies the same price points, which seems to be the way they maintain price stagnation.
Oh, preorder prices seems to have been announced.
 
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So it looks like the refresh is just in time to build a new machine. ;) Thanks!
 
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It looks to me that price went up. 3.4(3.8 turbo) ghz 4670 is now on newegg at 220$. The refresh is 3.5(3.9 turbo) ghz will be 235$. I noticed same thing on other models, the 100 extra mhz comes at a small premium.

I am upset on intel for this, not even giving a 3% speed bost after one year at previous price point. It looks to me that if there will be a price drop, it will be at most 5%, which is ridiculous.

I too wanted to upgrade, but i wont as it is now a 4% price premium for a 3% speed increase. I am unsure why people are excited about this, this is the worst refresh i ever saw. At this rate we will be paying more and more each year for a new intel cpu.

Is this what we will expect in the future, other than power improvements, a 5% speed increase every year? It seems to me that intel is getting more greedy.
 
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angevil said:
It looks to me that price went up. 3.4(3.8 turbo) ghz 4670 is now on newegg at 220$. The refresh is 3.5(3.9 turbo) ghz will be 235$. I noticed same thing on other models,
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The slightly higher price is how intel deals with replacement of CPUs at the same price point. The newer one starts a little higher so early adoptors have to pay a little more while stock is on the lower side, and the older cpu being replaced is a little lower in price to seem more attractive to some buyers to help sell left over stock. in a month or so the new cpus will have dropped that 5% price difference and the old cpu will be about 5% cheaper until they are mostly all sold out.

The same price at release does not help intel use up the stock of the old units.

Intel has done this going back several releases and they have no reason to change while there cpus are considered the higher end option.

besides, I find newegg to be a little useless for prices at times as they are known to up prices in high demand / low stock level periods, espically on new equipment.
 
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angevil said:
It looks to me that price went up. 3.4(3.8 turbo) ghz 4670 is now on newegg at 220$. The refresh is 3.5(3.9 turbo) ghz will be 235$. I noticed same thing on other models, the 100 extra mhz comes at a small premium.

I am upset on intel for this, not even giving a 3% speed bost after one year at previous price point. It looks to me that if there will be a price drop, it will be at most 5%, which is ridiculous.

I too wanted to upgrade, but i wont as it is now a 4% price premium for a 3% speed increase. I am unsure why people are excited about this, this is the worst refresh i ever saw. At this rate we will be paying more and more each year for a new intel cpu.

Is this what we will expect in the future, other than power improvements, a 5% speed increase every year? It seems to me that intel is getting more greedy.
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This is standard practice, and link to tray price information?

Newegg is not the end-all-be-all for CPU pricing. Microcenter is 10 minutes away from me and sells the 4670k for $189.99.
 
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zir_blazer

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Also, due to the fact that there is no info regarding Haswell Refresh being even a new Stepping of Haswell (In what case, I may be inclined to believe it has improved power consumption or overclocking capabilities), just new models with slightly faster specs, there doesn't seem to be any sane reason to delay a purchase for a mere 100 MHz if they use the same Haswell dies that are currently available.
 
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I wonder if some new Xeons will come too - and if the Xeon deals will keep getting even better!
 
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zir_blazer said:
Intel pricing strategy seems to involve replacing a current model at a given price point with a newer model slighty faster at the same price, then discontinuing the previous model. They usually don't let older models to fall down a lot in retail price, and maintain them releasing new models that occupies the same price points, which seems to be the way they maintain price stagnation.
Oh, preorder prices seems to have been announced.
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Yeah, I was wondering how the industry seems to want you at the $200 CPU and GPU level all the time.
Thanks for the info, it's really interesting.

Now I'm going to hijack my own thread. :) Does anyone bother disabling the turbo on those models? I read overclocking causes damage to the CPU in the long term. I prefer to keep my machines for a long time.
 
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coolpurplefan said:
Yeah, I was wondering how the industry seems to want you at the $200 CPU and GPU level all the time.
Thanks for the info, it's really interesting.

Now I'm going to hijack my own thread. :) Does anyone bother disabling the turbo on those models? I read overclocking causes damage to the CPU in the long term. I prefer to keep my machines for a long time.
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Default turbo is not overclocking.
 
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If you have Haswell and you are upgrading to Haswell refresh, you should be shot. Repeatedly. This is Intel scraping the bottom of the barrel right here. I'll be upgrading the 4770 in my gaming box once I get an appreciable jump in gaming - both minimum's and averages. So far I doubt that will even happen with Skylake.

Regardless of whether you're being serious or not, wishing death upon someone else on our forums is not appropriate.
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coolpurplefan

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escrow4 said:
If you have Haswell and you are upgrading to Haswell refresh, you should be shot. Repeatedly.
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This sounds like a very harsh attitude. I'm not sure who you're talking about because I have a Core2Duo E8500.

(In reality, that's for an XP machine. I want to build a more modern computer with a modern OS.)
 
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escrow4 said:
If you have Haswell and you are upgrading to Haswell refresh, you should be shot. Repeatedly. This is Intel scraping the bottom of the barrel right here. I'll be upgrading the 4770 in my gaming box once I get an appreciable jump in gaming - both minimum's and averages. So far I doubt that will even happen with Skylake.
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I don't think it'll happen in at least 4 years, possibly twice that.
 
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jhu

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angevil said:
It looks to me that price went up. 3.4(3.8 turbo) ghz 4670 is now on newegg at 220$. The refresh is 3.5(3.9 turbo) ghz will be 235$. I noticed same thing on other models, the 100 extra mhz comes at a small premium.

I am upset on intel for this, not even giving a 3% speed bost after one year at previous price point. It looks to me that if there will be a price drop, it will be at most 5%, which is ridiculous.

I too wanted to upgrade, but i wont as it is now a 4% price premium for a 3% speed increase. I am unsure why people are excited about this, this is the worst refresh i ever saw. At this rate we will be paying more and more each year for a new intel cpu.

Is this what we will expect in the future, other than power improvements, a 5% speed increase every year? It seems to me that intel is getting more greedy.
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No one is forcing you to upgrade, so don't upgrade.
 
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angevil said:
It looks to me that price went up. 3.4(3.8 turbo) ghz 4670 is now on newegg at 220$. The refresh is 3.5(3.9 turbo) ghz will be 235$. I noticed same thing on other models, the 100 extra mhz comes at a small premium.

I am upset on intel for this, not even giving a 3% speed bost after one year at previous price point. It looks to me that if there will be a price drop, it will be at most 5%, which is ridiculous.

I too wanted to upgrade, but i wont as it is now a 4% price premium for a 3% speed increase. I am unsure why people are excited about this, this is the worst refresh i ever saw. At this rate we will be paying more and more each year for a new intel cpu.

Is this what we will expect in the future, other than power improvements, a 5% speed increase every year? It seems to me that intel is getting more greedy.
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So much for a certain member's statements, that reduced competition from AMD would result in lower prices (due to higher Intel market share, and thus greater economies of scale). Well, we always knew the socialists were wrong.
 
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VirtualLarry said:
So much for a certain member's statements, that reduced competition from AMD would result in lower prices (due to higher Intel market share, and thus greater economies of scale). Well, we always knew the socialists were wrong.
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First of all the prices listed are not MSRP.

Secondly I would assume everyone know the terms called inflation and consumer price index.

CPUs never have been cheaper.

A 500$ entry level dualcore in 2005 would cost over 600$ today, and still be considered to cost the same in relation to buying power.
 
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coolpurplefan

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I just read on a couple of sites that the new Haswell will be coming out in April. I might be ready to buy a CPU in May.

However, the Haswell-E will be from July to September (maybe September).
 
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Morbus

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The Haswell-E is a completely different price bracket. It competes with the current Ivy Bridge-E, not the current Haswell or its refresh.
 
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coolpurplefan

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Instead, Intel is supposedly hanging back on releasing Broadwell due to "the slow digestion of Haswell processor inventories in the market," according to the tech site.
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http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2453384,00.asp

Haha, is this a darn joke? It's like they're sounding like they may want to delay some CPUs because of slow moving inventory? No wonder they say prices remain the same and are simply replaced by other models.
 
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coolpurplefan

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Does anyone think pinnaclemicro.com is legitimate? The i5-4690 is marked as "in stock" on that site.

(EDIT: And pcconnection.com)
 
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