i5-2500K or i5-3570k ????

[ttechf]

Hey,

I am going to build a new computer in 3-4 months or so and I'm wondering if I should get the Sandy Bridge "older model" i5-2500K or the newer architecture of Ivy Bridge 3570K ??


NOW, I don't do a ton of gaming. lets get that out of the way, lol. BUT I would like decent graphics. I was told by someone to go with Ivy Bridge if I didnt put a graphics card in and to go with the sandy bridge if I did put a graphics card in.

I was also told that the Sandy Bridge is a bit easier to overclock and doesn't get quite as hot as the Ivy Bridge does.


Any thoughts, views and opinions are gladly welcome. Thank you. : )

 

[Don Karnage]

I see no reason to buy older processors for 10 dollars less then current. Get the 3570K.

 

[Rvenger]

Both are good selections. If you are running a single graphics card solution and don't game heavily, the 2500k will do perfectly fine. 3570k option is better but if it merits a $30 or higher price tag for you, then you can be just as happy with a 2500k.

 

[Smoblikat]

2500K, it has lower temps and clocks higher. The performance difference between the two is negligable from what ive seen.

 

[Don Karnage]

Both are good selections. If you are running a single graphics card solution and don't game heavily, the 2500k will do perfectly fine. 3570k option is better but if it merits a $30 or higher price tag for you, then you can be just as happy with a 2500k.

3570K - 234.99

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...6504&Tpk=3570K

2500K - 219.99

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819115072&Tpk=2500K

15 dollar difference my friend

 

[ttechf]

Yes, the price isn't what Im concerned about. $15 - $20 means nothing to me for basically the same processor.

basically my concern is temps and overclocking. Seems the Sandy Bridge i5 is better at this.


Also, I won't be building for like 4 months. Older architecture and all things eventually come down in price but I see Sandy Bridge i5 falling even further in price by then. Those are just my thoughts.

 

[ShintaiDK]

+1 on the 3570K

Remember you need to OC the SB around 200Mhz more to get the IB speed when OCed in the 4Ghz+.

 

[Don Karnage]

Yes, the price isn't what Im concerned about. $15 - $20 means nothing to me for basically the same processor.

basically my concern is temps and overclocking. Seems the Sandy Bridge i5 is better at this.


Also, I won't be building for like 4 months. Older architecture and all things eventually come down in price but I see Sandy Bridge i5 falling even further in price by then. Those are just my thoughts.

Intel doesnt drop prices. It just phases out the product. I ran 4.8Ghz on water and 4.6Ghz on air with my 3570K. My 2500K ran on air at 5Ghz. If i had a choice between the two which one would i choose? Easy. 3570K. Why? IPC, Power consumption, Newest tech. 2500K is a nice chip but you'd have to be crazy to pay 200+ for it

 

[ttechf]

Intel doesnt drop prices. It just phases out the product. I ran 4.8Ghz on water and 4.6Ghz on air with my 3570K. My 2500K ran on air at 5Ghz. If i had a choice between the two which one would i choose? Easy. 3570K. Why? IPC, Power consumption, Newest tech. 2500K is a nice chip but you'd have to be crazy to pay 200+ for it

Not sure if it's crazy paying $200+ for a chip, even if it's older that is a very stable chip. NOT taking anything away from Ivy Bridge of course.

And Intel does drop prices, I see it all the time. But not by much. Maybe $10 here, $10 there.

 

[dma0991]

Yes, the price isn't what Im concerned about. $15 - $20 means nothing to me for basically the same processor.

basically my concern is temps and overclocking. Seems the Sandy Bridge i5 is better at this.


Also, I won't be building for like 4 months. Older architecture and all things eventually come down in price but I see Sandy Bridge i5 falling even further in price by then. Those are just my thoughts.

The temps are manageable as long as you're not exceeding certain limits. If you've set it 4.5GHz at 1.3V or less, you're pretty much safe. Not so different from SB, which you're unlikely to set it above 4.5GHz for daily use.

Prices won't fall forever. Once they've reached a certain point, they would rather phase it out rather than selling it cheap. Once that happens, only a handful of SB processors would be lying around as replacements but at a higher price. The same happens with DDR2, way more expensive than DDR3 as of now.

 

[djshortsleeve]

Can this topic be stickied PLEASE

 

[ttechf]

The temps are manageable as long as you're not exceeding certain limits. If you've set it 4.5GHz at 1.3V or less, you're pretty much safe. Not so different from SB, which you're unlikely to set it above 4.5GHz for daily use.

Prices won't fall forever. Once they've reached a certain point, they would rather phase it out rather than selling it cheap. Once that happens, only a handful of SB processors would be lying around as replacements but at a higher price. The same happens with DDR2, way more expensive than DDR3 as of now.

Yes, you do hold a point there. You are exactly right, thats why you have to pick and choose and be right with when you buy something. Sandy Bridge is around $220 right now. I've seen it for like $210 at a couple other places. I'm just seeing if I should grab one now or just buy an Ivy Bridge later on because the Ivy will probably be $220 or so anyway.

 

[Don Karnage]

Yes, you do hold a point there. You are exactly right, thats why you have to pick and choose and be right with when you buy something. Sandy Bridge is around $220 right now. I've seen it for like $210 at a couple other places. I'm just seeing if I should grab one now or just buy an Ivy Bridge later on because the Ivy will probably be $220 or so anyway.

Once Intel EOL's sandy bridge ivy bridge prices will settle lower BUT i wouldn't expect intel to EOL sandy bridge anytime soon

 

[ttechf]

Once Intel EOL's sandy bridge ivy bridge prices will settle lower BUT i wouldn't expect intel to EOL sandy bridge anytime soon

So we're in the middle of a generation right now. Well, we'll see what happens. It's not like I'll regret going to one or the other. If I have to get Ivy, so be it, if I get Sandy, thats fine too.


Thanks everyone for your input. I appreciate it : )

 

[Don Karnage]

So we're in the middle of a generation right now. Well, we'll see what happens. It's not like I'll regret going to one or the other. If I have to get Ivy, so be it, if I get Sandy, thats fine too.


Thanks everyone for your input. I appreciate it : )

I expect by the release of Haswell that SB will be EOL'd

 

[cmdrdredd]

Another benefit for 3570k that may or may not be a difference for you is PCIe 3.0.

Now I know people will argue all day with me about how it doesn't matter, or that PCIe 3.0 is a waste of time etc.

However, I have seen benchmarks in configurations with 3 or more GPUs where PCIe 3.0 made a difference. It depends on your motherboard selection though. I did see you were looking at mATX boards which means 3way or quad SLi/xfire won't apply. It may make a difference next year or the year after though. Are you thinking of building a new system next year or the year after maybe? If that is a possibility then PCIe 3.0 won't be a benefit IMO. What I am getting at is the next round of GPUs coming out might actually take advantage of PCIe 3.0 more than the current GTX 670/680 HS 7950/7970 lineup does. We don't know, but having it available is not a bad idea if you plan to hold on to this system for a few years. Never know and Sandy Bridge only supports 2.0.

 

[ttechf]

Another benefit for 3570k that may or may not be a difference for you is PCIe 3.0.

Now I know people will argue all day with me about how it doesn't matter, or that PCIe 3.0 is a waste of time etc.

However, I have seen benchmarks in configurations with 3 or more GPUs where PCIe 3.0 made a difference. It depends on your motherboard selection though. I did see you were looking at mATX boards which means 3way or quad SLi/xfire won't apply. It may make a difference next year or the year after though. Are you thinking of building a new system next year or the year after maybe? If that is a possibility then PCIe 3.0 won't be a benefit IMO. What I am getting at is the next round of GPUs coming out might actually take advantage of PCIe 3.0 more than the current GTX 670/680 HS 7950/7970 lineup does. We don't know, but having it available is not a bad idea if you plan to hold on to this system for a few years. Never know and Sandy Bridge only supports 2.0.

Hey, thanks for the input. Very informative. BUT, once I build this little system I want, that's it for many years, lol. Not changing out parts, not buying a new system, nothing. Not until the 10nm architecture of Intel's Skymont at least.

Hope that answers what you were trying to get at a bit better, lol.

 

[borisvodofsky]

2500k is the best choice.

Easy to overclock

Lower heat

Time tested - solid performer

IVY 3570k

New CPU with pcie3.0, so if you crossfire 680gtx or something, that may help. we're still talking 0-5% though, so keep that in mind.

Runs a bit hot

Not time-tested, we don't know if the current overvolt settings are dangerous

 

[cmdrdredd]

Hey, thanks for the input. Very informative. BUT, once I build this little system I want, that's it for many years, lol. Not changing out parts, not buying a new system, nothing. Not until the 10nm architecture of Intel's Skymont at least.

Hope that answers what you were trying to get at a bit better, lol.

Well, here's the thing. lets say you buy a GTX 670. In 2 years a GTX 670 will be slow in comparison to the new cards. You might upgrade then (can always sell the old card). If you do and it takes full advantage of the extra PCIe bandwidth available with 3.0, you might do well to consider having that available.

I mean...it's likely that you'll keep the whole thing but how do you know you won't swap the GPU before you swap the CPU?

Ivy Bridge is just as easy to overclock as Sandy Bridge. Yeah it runs hotter but it is rated for higher temperatures as well. This is all well known. So if your Sandy Bridge runs at 80c and your Ivy runs at 85c they are both extremely far below the thermal limits and within Intel's safe zone.

 

[borisvodofsky]

Well, here's the thing. lets say you buy a GTX 670. In 2 years a GTX 670 will be slow in comparison to the new cards. You might upgrade then (can always sell the old card). If you do and it takes full advantage of the extra PCIe bandwidth available with 3.0, you might do well to consider having that available.

I mean...it's likely that you'll keep the whole thing but how do you know you won't swap the GPU before you swap the CPU?

Ivy Bridge is just as easy to overclock as Sandy Bridge. Yeah it runs hotter but it is rated for higher temperatures as well. This is all well known. So if your Sandy Bridge runs at 80c and your Ivy runs at 85c they are both extremely far below the thermal limits and within Intel's safe zone.

mmm.. it's more like sandybridge runs at 80, and ivy bridge runs at 95...

If it was 85, then it'd be ivy-bridge all the way.

Are you talking about delid- temperatures?

 

[Magic Carpet]

NOW, I don't do a ton of gaming. lets get that out of the way, lol. BUT I would like decent graphics. I was told by someone to go with Ivy Bridge if I didnt put a graphics card in and to go with the sandy bridge if I did put a graphics card in.

Ivy's integrated graphics isn't strong enough for 1080p gaming, unfortunately. You will be running a discrete graphics card, sooner or later, regardless. So, just scout out the best deal at the moment of purchase. They're both good. I favor the 3570k more, though.

 

[cmdrdredd]

mmm.. it's more like sandybridge runs at 80, and ivy bridge runs at 95...

If it was 85, then it'd be ivy-bridge all the way.

Are you talking about delid- temperatures?

You're flat out lying about those numbers. The general overclock I see is 4.3-4.6Ghz and nobody I know is getting 95c.

at my 4.6Ghz overclock I'm never at 95c. Besides if you forgot to read all the threads here Ivy can handle up to 105c before throttling. So even 95c is pretty ok if you're seeing that in IBT because nothing else you do will ever come remotely close to that temp.

 

[Tempered81]

Ivy isn't much of any improvement over 2500k/2600k for the general overclocker.


Choose Ivy or Sandy, whichever you prefer.

 

[ttechf]

Gah, now I don't know what to do! haha.

cmdrdredd - you again bring up a valid point but the fact I don't do hardly any gaming I think should be a point too. Sure, I may sell the graphics card in place of a new one a few years down the line, if I only have to put $50 or so into the system but honestly, I don't know. I dont see it happening. Many many people out there run with just integrated graphics and many many people still run on Core 2 Duos from 2007 with no problem. So I won't be changing the processor and the graphics card, I just don't see why I'd need to? As long as I can watch movies well, and see a nice picture on my monitor with a game every now and then, thats good enough for me. : )

 

[Magic Carpet]

Gah, now I don't know what to do! haha.

cmdrdredd - you again bring up a valid point but the fact I don't do hardly any gaming I think should be a point too. Sure, I may sell the graphics card in place of a new one a few years down the line, if I only have to put $50 or so into the system but honestly, I don't know. I dont see it happening. Many many people out there run with just integrated graphics and many many people still run on Core 2 Duos from 2007 with no problem. So I won't be changing the processor and the graphics card, I just don't see why I'd need to? As long as I can watch movies well, and see a nice picture on my monitor with a game every now and then, thats good enough for me. : )

What are you upgrading from, by the way?