i5-2500 HD2000 vs i5-2500K HD3000 (Intel hiding graphics difference?)

[colorzeppelin]

Hello and thanks in advance to anyone who can help.

This post regards Intel's seemingly recent hiding of the difference between the on-die-graphics versions of the 2nd generation i-processors.

I am planning on building a new system using a mini-ITX motherboard with the H67 chip. I seem to understand the differences between the i5-2500 and the i5-2500K but am concerned about the way Intel has seemingly recently been hiding the On-Die-Graphics differences between the two processors at their website. link
I remember not long ago, 1 month or so, the same comparisson chart linked above would clearly state the HD2000/HD3000 difference whereas now it doesn't. And since HD2000/HD3000 would indicate the performance of the respective on-die-graphics (I have read that "HD 2000 has 6 execution units (similar to shader/stream processors) while HD 3000 has 12"link) I am qurious what the situation might be.

A. Is Intel no longer producing chips with different Intel HD (on-die) Graphics and therefore not showing it on their website?
B. Are they trying to sell more non-K chips by misleading customers by not indicating the difference between HD2000/3000?

The problem is I can't find any indication of the on-die-graphics on the respective idividual product pages (2500Kpage, 2500page)

As I have read here and here:
i5-2500 = HD2000 graphics, un-overclockable, supports VT-d (Virtualization Technology for Directed I/O) and TXT (Trusted Execution Technology)
i5-2500K = HD3000 graphics, overclockable, no support for VT-d and TXT
Both are compatible with H67 boards.

I plan to get the i5-2500K from Amazon.co.uk. Are my above assumptions correct that I will be getting better performing on-die-graphics than if I was getting the i5-2500?

Thanks again guys....

 

[aphelion02]

The features haven't changed, its still 12EU on the k processors vs 6EU. Its not so easy to just make a silicon change like that. On the other hand, marketing may say whatever they wish.

 

[dma0991]

They may fool the consumers who are not well informed but it is so simple to remember that the SB processors without the K suffix is using Intel HD2000 and Intel HD3000 with the K suffix. There are only 2 SB processors with K suffix, the Intel Core i5 2500K and Core i7 2600K. It is stated on the box as well what IGP you're getting.

 

[notty22]

You can also take a look at the Xeon E Sandy Bridge, they are 1155 chips.
This model features the hd3000 graphics. None of the Xeon's will be unlocked.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...-088-_-Product
The ones ending with a 5 feature HD3000 graphics, some feature hyperthreading the one above I linked does not.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produ...=sandy bridge&bop=And&Order=PRICE&PageSize=20

 

[BathroomFeeling]

Is there a difference in HD video playback between the HD2000 & HD3000 IGPs?

 

[StrangerGuy]

Is there a difference in HD video playback between the HD2000 & HD3000 IGPs?

No. And H67 doesn't allow any overclocking even if you have a 2500/2600K IINW.

BTW its stupid to have 6 EUs on desktop CPUs when the mobile parts are 12 EUs. What was Intel thinking?

 

[VirtualLarry]

No. And H67 doesn't allow any overclocking even if you have a 2500/2600K IINW.

BTW its stupid to have 6 EUs on desktop CPUs when the mobile parts are 12 EUs. What was Intel thinking?

I think that they like to intentionally handicap their performance in the market. After all, Llano is coming out soon.

Intel has to allow AMD to survive, lest they be labeled as a "monopoly".

 

[Zap]

BTW its stupid to have 6 EUs on desktop CPUs when the mobile parts are 12 EUs. What was Intel thinking?

They were probably thinking that it is easy for a desktop system to get a graphics card update than a notebook.

 

[flexcore]

I really dislike the way Intel implements features on their CPUs. vt-d, k , HD2000 or HD 3000. It's a mess.

 

[Edrick]

They were probably thinking that it is easy for a desktop system to get a graphics card update than a notebook.

This. I just got my first SB laptop and it is a huge upgrade over clarkdale, both in processor power and graphics.

 

[aphelion02]

Bulldozer really needs to competitive, otherwise we will have to deal with a couple more years of this crap from Intel.

 

[colorzeppelin]

Thanks alot for the replies, I am humbled by the quick responses.
I checked Newegg and it does state the HD2000/3000 difference between the two in the details tab. Just sayng that because not many online retailers are stating the difference.

Cheers.....

 

[Freeky Deeky]

I just purchased a core i7 2600. Gpu z currently reports that the IGP has 12 shaders/Execution units. This is the exact same number of shaders found in the 2600k with HD3000 IGP. It appears that intel is now producing 2600 and 2600k core i7 with the same HD3000 GPU. The very first batch of core i7 2600 only had 6 shaders/HD2000 graphics. I guess this is why Intel pulled the info regarding Integrated graphics on the sandybridge platform from their website.

The weird this is the retail box for the cpu still shows HD Graphics 2000 as one of the benefits of core i7 2600.

 

[betasub]

^ Interesting. That makes even less difference between the k and non-k 2600.

 

[bunnyfubbles]

^ Interesting. That makes even less difference between the k and non-k 2600.

I'd love to see the people spending $330+ for a CPU specifically to use it for its superior IGP.

The point being people are paying a premium for the 2600K for the unlocked multiplier, not the superior IGP.

Good luck getting the non-K 2600 anywhere near 5GHz.

 

[betasub]

Overclockers are a tiny fraction of Intel's market. Plenty of buyers will be running these at stock (possibly in H67 motherboards), but will have chosen that model "because it's the best".

 

[Pneumothorax]

Overclockers are a tiny fraction of Intel's market. Plenty of buyers will be running these at stock (possibly in H67 motherboards), but will have chosen that model "because it's the best".

But that's most annoying thing about SB, WTF is the best IGP in the chips where most users won't give a flying rat about IGP performance? OTOH the mainstream SB chips where IGP is important have a crippled Clarkdale level IGP!? It's ludicrous.

 

[jonnyp11]

i know you are all probably using alot better cpu's, and i wish i could get them and all, but i'm on a budget and not looking at extreme gaming on high res or settings at this point, but i still would like your input on this, is it worthe the 15 to get the i5-2500k, or should i just get the regular, and if the regular then would it still be effective enough for what i want as the i3-2100 for 85 less so i can look at a better gpu which should be better in the long run, and what would be the best for my money without bottlenecking it, p.s. newegg has a gigabyte gtx 260 for 99.99, which i saw in a heirarchy on the same tier as the 5770, but it's 20+ less now and i'm guessing with their limits its cuz their phasing it out and not getting more in. thnx in advance if anyone sees this .

 

[3DVagabond]

Hello and thanks in advance to anyone who can help.

This post regards Intel's seemingly recent hiding of the difference between the on-die-graphics versions of the 2nd generation i-processors.

I am planning on building a new system using a mini-ITX motherboard with the H67 chip. I seem to understand the differences between the i5-2500 and the i5-2500K but am concerned about the way Intel has seemingly recently been hiding the On-Die-Graphics differences between the two processors at their website. link
I remember not long ago, 1 month or so, the same comparisson chart linked above would clearly state the HD2000/HD3000 difference whereas now it doesn't. And since HD2000/HD3000 would indicate the performance of the respective on-die-graphics (I have read that "HD 2000 has 6 execution units (similar to shader/stream processors) while HD 3000 has 12"link) I am qurious what the situation might be.

A. Is Intel no longer producing chips with different Intel HD (on-die) Graphics and therefore not showing it on their website?
B. Are they trying to sell more non-K chips by misleading customers by not indicating the difference between HD2000/3000?

The problem is I can't find any indication of the on-die-graphics on the respective idividual product pages (2500Kpage, 2500page)

As I have read here and here:
i5-2500 = HD2000 graphics, un-overclockable, supports VT-d (Virtualization Technology for Directed I/O) and TXT (Trusted Execution Technology)
i5-2500K = HD3000 graphics, overclockable, no support for VT-d and TXT
Both are compatible with H67 boards.

I plan to get the i5-2500K from Amazon.co.uk. Are my above assumptions correct that I will be getting better performing on-die-graphics than if I was getting the i5-2500?

Thanks again guys....

From what you are saying, Intel is trying to hide one of the advantages of the more expensive product. I can't understand what their motivation would be? Typically, companies want you to buy the more expensive product. :\

 

[jonnyp11]

they might not get as much profit from the k series cards or something, and again, can

i edited the quote to be more clear (i hope)

i know you are all probably using alot better cpu's, and i wish i could get them and all, but i'm on a budget and not looking at extreme gaming on high res or settings at this point, but i still would like your input on this, so can i get away with the i3-2100 in games and still be fine, or do i NEED somethin g more like the i5-2400/2500/2500k, or could i just go with a amd athlon II x3/x4, or would a phenomII x2 be better.

p.s. newegg has a gigabyte gtx 260 for 99.99, which i saw in a heirarchy on the same tier as the 5770, but it's 20+ less now and i'm guessing with their limits its cuz their phasing it out and not getting more in. thnx in advance if anyone sees this .