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I3 over g3258

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john925

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So I got my computer up and running and have virtually no complaints. I knew the g3258 would be limited even with overclocking. It handles the newer games surprisingly well paired with the 750ti. But with Assassin's Creed Unity and The Witcher 3 I do get some bottlenecking. Framerates are pretty smooth but at times it'll freeze, then my cpu usage jumps to 100% (more on The Witcher than ACU). I'm curious to know if the i3 4170 would be a good step up for the time being until I can get a decent priced quad core. (i3 around $104-$114, i5 around $150-$180 all 1150 socket). I've got the g3258 clocked at 4.2GHz but I'm not losing the bottleneck but I am seeing improved framerates. I probably won't move on anything until after the holidays, just wanted some insight. I also have a bid going on a sweet ass i7 4770K but my chances of winning it in my price range is very, very slim.
 
Well, if I was going to upgrade from a 3258 at 4.2, I certainly would go for one of the lower priced i5 cpus. Dont really see the point of upgrading from a dual core to another dual core, even with hyperthreading, considering you want to play cpu demanding games.

Even though it is a "budget" build, you are already regretting not getting enough cpu. And it is only about 50.00 more for a low end i5 over the i3.

Edit: just looked more closely at your post. You want to potentially buy 2 more cpus? It will end up costing you more than an i7 if you had bought it in the beginning. I did do the same thing with gpus a few times, but it ends up you would be better off to bite the bullet in the beginning.
 
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frozentundra123456 said:
Well, if I was going to upgrade from a 3258 at 4.2, I certainly would go for one of the lower priced i5 cpus. Dont really see the point of upgrading from a dual core to another dual core, even with hyperthreading, considering you want to play cpu demanding games.

Even though it is a "budget" build, you are already regretting not getting enough cpu. And it is only about 50.00 more for a low end i5 over the i3.

Edit: just looked more closely at your post. You want to potentially buy 2 more cpus? It will end up costing you more than an i7 if you had bought it in the beginning. I did do the same thing with gpus a few times, but it ends up you would be better off to bite the bullet in the beginning.
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No no I'm just looking at getting one cpu. Yeah I'm thinking either a lower end i5 or this i7 if I can can win it for a good price.
 
I ran into my first game that choked my G3258 @ 4.5 Ghz. Fallout 4 has a number of CPU intensive areas that cause FPS to plummet to the low 30s and stuttering. My i5-4690k or i5-4590 PCs stay smooth and in the 40-45 FPS range in the same spots with the same GPU put in them (tested it to make sure it was the Pentium).
 
Leyawiin said:
I ran into my first game that choked my G3258 @ 4.5 Ghz. Fallout 4 has a number of CPU intensive areas that cause FPS to plummet to the low 30s and stuttering. My i5-4690k or i5-4590 PCs stay smooth and in the 40-45 FPS range in the same spots with the same GPU put in them (tested it to make sure it was the Pentium).
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You know what's funny? I don't really have any issues with Fallout 4. I usually average around 30fps with minimal stuttering even in large firefights. I knew the required specs were way too high for that game.
 
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Just for your information, if you haven't ordered from Jet.com before you can get their 20% off any order.

I just ordered an Intel i5 4590 3.3GHz Retail Box cpu with the 20NOW promo code, waived the free returns and used a debit card. My grand total was $138.18!

That would be a NICE upgrade for about as cheap as you can get. 🙂
 
john925 said:
You know what's funny? I don't really have any issues with Fallout 4. I usually average around 30fps with minimal stuttering even in large firefights. I knew the required specs were way too high for that game.
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I'm usually good out away from Diamond City and Goodneighbor. The G3258 would get around 60 FPS with a GTX 970 (yeah, I know - a bit of overkill for that CPU). I tried turning off Godrays and leaving everything else on Ultra. Tried turning Godrays, shadow quality and shadow distance to medium and leaving the rest on Ultra. Tried using either the Medium or High preset - nothing helps much around those two areas of downtown. It will be doing fine @ 60 FPS and then when I turn towards a spot with lots of NPCs (even if they aren't visible) it will plummet to 30-35 FPS and stutter. This is on a clean Windows 7 install. Again, the two i5s are like butter. Even when the FPS drops below 60 they stay smooth.
 
Leyawiin said:
I'm usually good out away from Diamond City and Goodneighbor. The G3258 would get around 60 FPS with a GTX 970 (yeah, I know - a bit of overkill for that CPU). I tried turning off Godrays and leaving everything else on Ultra. Tried turning Godrays, shadow quality and shadow distance to medium and leaving the rest on Ultra. Tried using either the Medium or High preset - nothing helps much around those two areas of downtown. It will be doing fine @ 60 FPS and then when I turn towards a spot with lots of NPCs (even if they aren't visible) it will plummet to 30-35 FPS and stutter. This is on a clean Windows 7 install. Again, the two i5s are like butter. Even when the FPS drops below 60 they stay smooth.
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I don't know if that'll show up, but those are my settings. I'll take another one later in game so you can see my fps and all that fun stuff. I like to have RivaTuner running in my games.
 
daveybrat said:
Thanks for the link Happy 🙂
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FYI, I ordered a video card using the same deal on the 15th. Still waiting for it to ship, even though it shows in stock. They can't even tell me when it'll ship because it is shipping from a "partner". I won't be buying from them again.
 
SantiClaws said:
FYI, I ordered a video card using the same deal on the 15th. Still waiting for it to ship, even though it shows in stock. They can't even tell me when it'll ship because it is shipping from a "partner". I won't be buying from them again.
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Mine shows that it was already shipped and on it's way here. Sorry to hear that yours didn't go so smoothly. 🙁
 
daveybrat said:
Mine shows that it was already shipped and on it's way here. Sorry to hear that yours didn't go so smoothly. 🙁
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I went through the ordering process and mine came out to 140 and some change, which isn't bad. I think the deal is almost over though. Like I said in my OP, I won't be looking to buy until after the holidays at the very earliest. Unless one of these auctions work out.
 
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Yeah and that's also over $200 dollars. This was a budget build. I haven't spent more than $350 or so on this computer. That's why I haven't been complaining.
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well your "budget" does not allow you to meet your wants and needs. I just dont get the half ass approach to cpus some people make. you can keep a proper cpu for 4 years or more so either pony up and buy a proper cpu or dont bother. cutting corners just means a bad experience in some games and more cost and aggravation in the end when you finally wise up and get a cpu that you should have bought in the first place.
 
toyota said:
well your "budget" does not allow you to meet your wants and needs. I just dont get the half ass approach to cpus some people make. you can keep a proper cpu for 4 years or more so either pony up and buy a proper cpu or dont bother. cutting corners just means a bad experience in some games and more cost and aggravation in the end when you finally wise up and get a cpu that you should have bought in the first place.
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I knew I was going to upgrade before I ever even built it. It was more of a placeholder than anything. That was the whole point of building my own computer was so I could upgrade specific parts as needed instead of buying a whole new computer. Again, I'm not looking to upgrade right now, but I will in the future.
 
john925 said:
I knew I was going to upgrade before I ever even built it. It was more of a placeholder than anything. That was the whole point of building my own computer was so I could upgrade specific parts as needed instead of buying a whole new computer. Again, I'm not looking to upgrade right now, but I will in the future.
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Right, very understandable. We're not always in a position to drop in the hardware we want, right when we need a computer. It's just unfortunate that it's almost certainly going to cost you more overall to do incremental upgrades.
 
Yuriman said:
Right, very understandable. We're not always in a position to drop in the hardware we want, right when we need a computer. It's just unfortunate that it's almost certainly going to cost you more overall to do incremental upgrades.
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Well isn't that any custom build? I mean once I get that i5 or i7 or whatever I end up with, then I'll be looking at the graphics card, then ram, then monitor, stuff like that. It never ends. But that's what's so great about it and it's all part of the experience. I don't think I'm alone on that one either. But I know what you mean, I hate that when people are always like, 'well you should have just gotten the i7 and called it a day'. Yeah I don't have the $300 or whatever to drop right then and there. Would be nice if I did.
 
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john925 said:
Well isn't that any custom build? I mean once I get that i5 or i7 or whatever I end up with, then I'll be looking at the graphics card, then ram, then monitor, stuff like that. It never ends. But that's what's so great about it and it's all part of the experience. I don't think I'm alone on that one either. But I know what you mean, I hate that when people are always like, 'well you should have just gotten the i7 and called it a day'. Yeah I don't have the $300 or whatever to drop right then and there. Would be nice if I did.
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if you build a gaming pc the proper way then all you will have to upgrade is the gpu at some time. as I already mentioned, a cpu can easily be kept for 4 years or more as cpu progress is quite slow. plus it is a heck of a lot more trouble to upgrade the cpu. you seem to buy demanding AAA games at launch for which to me is illogical if you dont even have the money to have a proper cpu to run them. if you dont have the funds for a system to run those games properly then common sense would dictate waiting until they are cheap and then the money you save doing that on just few games would get you the pc that you need. I see so many people on Steam that spend nearly 1000 bucks or more on games every year yet dont have a system that can run those games very well.
 
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