i3-6100 or FX-8320E for budget gaming PC?

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Headfoot

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I wouldn't count on upgrading ever. Have any of you actually built computers for friends? It's a pain to support the thing forever, and promising an upgrade later just puts you on the line for yet more work on it. And if you're building it for them in the first place there's a 90% chance they wont ever upgrade it themselves, they'll just call you.

I'd build the best machine you can build in budget for today and call it good. The only upgrade id consider would be video card just because that is pretty easy to upgrade (just pull the card and reinstall drivers)
 

Ranulf

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Ever since Sandy Bridge, you can go years without upgrading, there are people still using i5 2500K today and game just fine, my i5 3550 still alive and kicking. The i3 6100 has plenty of horsepower until Kaby Lake.

If this was 2010, I'd probably agree with you. Then again, I ended up going with a quad core back then when my 3 year old dual core would've been fine and in fact I should have waited because I ended up upgrading just 1.5 years later to my 2500k.

Longevity is an i5 or i7 these days for gaming. Not a high speed dual core.
 

tential

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Buying a new GPU now is idiotic. New GPUs that are FAR better are just around the corner.

Buy a used GPU.

I got the R9 290 for $200. THe same price as the GTX 960 the OP was considering but miles better. You can find another used card for $150 that's far better than a silly GTX 950.

No point buying new when it will be literally a trash tier card in 2017.
 

WestX64

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Is this still your current choice? The Gigabyte GA-H110M-S2PV uses DDR3L memory, not DDR4. Also, you might want to check maximum supported memory speed before spending extra cash on faster chips.
Good catch! Thank you for that, I totally forgot that the 1151 boards can have either DDR4 or DDR3L.

You mention high prices for H97 mobos, yet choose H110 over H170 when it comes to Skylake. I strongly suggest you take another look at Haswell as a budget gaming platform.
You know, good point. I took this advice and that of frozentundra123456 and took another look at the i5-4590 over at Micro Center and went even cheaper on the chipset with a H81 board and it looks like it is significantly cheaper. I will post the new configuration at the bottom of this thread...

What will be played on this machine? I would rather save $100 on games than on the hardware. At the lower end $150 can easily mean double the FPS in game.
Since this is for a friend and his wife (who currently only own an Xbox 360), I'm not sure what will be played on this machine other than Black Ops 3. I haven't heard them talking about many other games. They just always mention how they wish they had a gaming PC so that they can play with me and everyone else they know. So as of now, black ops 3 is the main thing it needs to run but I'm sure they'll be buying more games down the road. I know when it comes to his Xbox 360, he tends to like racing games and RPG stuff and his wife tends to be more on the Black Ops and casual games stuff.

Yea, I dont agree with the "skimp on cpu, spend more for gpu" philosophy, especially considering a new generation of dgpus will be out in some months that should bring a huge improvement in performance and power efficiency. Better to get a solid cpu with no compromises and if you must upgrade in the future, do it for the gpu.
I agree with the point you've made here. This is why I reworked everything to try to get an i5 in there. I would like to start them off with at least a decent GPU capable of running BO3 at a solid 60fps (on at least medium-high settings) though. I know there are supposed to be some awesome new graphics cards being launched later this year but I'm not sure when. I did some Googleing and I get conflicting answers as to when the cards are coming out and how expensive they might be.

Also, OP, for those advocating FX, do you really want to overclock a system you are building for someone else? Quite a bit of extra work setting up the system (tweaking, stability testing) for a system for someone else, and possible stability issues down the line.
No, no I do not. As soon as everyone started telling me that I would need to overclock the FX-8320E for it to be worth anything, I kind of crossed that out as an option. Overclocking adds to the cost because I will have to purchase more fans and an aftermarket CPU cooler. It could also lead to issues down the road as you said. The FX-8320E just doesn't seem worth it to me...

However, the quality of the unit is mediocre. For only $14 more dollars you can get the very good EVGA 750W 80+ Bronze Semi-Modular PSU with a 5 rather than 3 year warranty if you order today. ($49 after rebate)
I really hate dealing with mail-in rebates, but I did find an EVGA 600 B1 on sale on Amazon for $45. Is this a good model? Worth the extra $10? I think the only differences I've noticed with it is that it's 80+ bronze and has two pci-e connectors. I will look into that rebate deal still if it saves me money and gets a better product, I just hate rebates lol.

I wouldn't count on upgrading ever. Have any of you actually built computers for friends? It's a pain to support the thing forever, and promising an upgrade later just puts you on the line for yet more work on it. And if you're building it for them in the first place there's a 90% chance they wont ever upgrade it themselves, they'll just call you.
I actually quite enjoy working on all this stuff. I don't mind if they call me down the road to perform their upgrades for them. I've built systems for myself and friends before, I just haven't ever been on such a tight budget (because I wasn't the one paying for my other friend's machines).

Okay, so here is the new configuration:
Processor: i5-4590 [$160]
Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-H81M-HD2 [$40]
http://www.microcenter.com/product/458662/GA-H81M-HD2_LGA_1150_mATX_Intel_Motherboard
Memory: Crucial Ballistix 8Gb (2x4) DDR3 1600 [43]
Power Supply: EVGA 500 W1 [$35]
Graphics: Sapphire Radeon Nitro R9 380 4Gb [$200]
Storage: WD Blue Mainstream 1Tb 7,200RPM [$40]
Case: Thermaltake Versa N21 [$55]
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0...rue&ref_=ox_sc_act_title_4&smid=ATVPDKIKX0DER

Total = $610 (after taxes and shipping and all that)
^This i5-4590 system is exactly within my budget! I am still open to suggestions though on all of these parts. I am particularly curious about the H81 motherboard quality. Also still looking at different cases that may be better.
 
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UptheIrons

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Well hmm. I have a 8320e w/ a ATI 7850 2gb and it runs black ops 3 just fine at 1080p. Actually it runs all my games just fine. From the last tomb raider, to bioshock infinite, to nba 2k15, to arkham city/origins....didn't try Arkham knight b/o the bad optimization reviews. I can't complain because I did the microcenter thing and paid about $100 for the 8320e and about $5-10 for the motherboard after savings. And I'm using the stock cooler w/o overclocking...which does get loud when playing actually.
 

MrTeal

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Just wanted to offer another possible option:

http://configure.us.dell.com/dellst...d=inspiron-3847-desktop&c=us&l=en&s=bsd&cs=04

Use promo code: 399DESKTOP

This is a new Dell system with an i5-4460 and Win 10 Pro 64bit for $350.
You'll have to Frankenstein the thing, but it may come out cheaper.

Technically all you need is a cheap ~$20 4GB DDR3 RAM and a new PSU.
Add a 380 under $200 (like below) and the total system cost is under $600

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produ...4131673&cm_re=AXR9_380-_-14-131-673-_-Product

This is a really great option. Not only do you get the system, but you also get a bunch of other stuff your friend will need. Case, keyboard, mouse, legit copy of Win10.

Add in the following, and it should be a pretty competent little system.
PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

Memory: Crucial 4GB (1 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($16.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Crucial BX100 250GB 2.5" Solid State Drive ($69.97 @ Amazon)
Video Card: PowerColor Radeon R9 380 4GB PCS+ Video Card ($173.98 @ Newegg)
Power Supply: EVGA 500W 80+ Bronze Certified ATX Power Supply ($35.98 @ Newegg)
Total: $296.92
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2016-02-29 12:52 EST-0500



The 8320E combo with the 970 Fatality board would be a good deal as well at $137 AR for the CPU and MB. You could go with something like this system to pair with it.
PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU Cooler: Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO 82.9 CFM Sleeve Bearing CPU Cooler ($24.75 @ OutletPC)
Memory: Crucial 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($27.99 @ Amazon)
Storage: Seagate 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Hybrid Internal Hard Drive ($69.88 @ OutletPC)
Video Card: PowerColor Radeon R9 380X 4GB PCS+ Myst. Edition Video Card ($213.98 @ Newegg)
Case: Thermaltake VL80001W2Z ATX Mid Tower Case ($22.99 @ Micro Center)
Power Supply: EVGA 500W 80+ Bronze Certified ATX Power Supply ($35.98 @ Newegg)
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 10 Home OEM (64-bit) ($87.95 @ OutletPC)
Total: $483.52
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2016-02-29 13:06 EST-0500

If you already have a retail copy of Win7/8 that you can use, the savings from that would let you switch to the 290X and a bit beefier PSU which would really be a pretty potent system. You might even be able to swing a couple free games out of it.
http://forums.anandtech.com/showthread.php?t=2464645
 

waltchan

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Ever since Sandy Bridge, you can go years without upgrading, there are people still using i5 2500K today and game just fine, my i5 3550 still alive and kicking.
Even the 1.8 GHz Celeron G460 still has more power than Celeron J1800, I think. It's comparable to 1.4 GHz Celeron 2957u notebook processor.
 

AMDisTheBEST

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Buy 8320E defiantly. Especially if you are near a microcenter like i am. Overclockable 8 cores are better than two cores, 4 threads thats only overclockble through BLCK whatever that is.
 

MiddleOfTheRoad

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Buy 8320E defiantly. Especially if you are near a microcenter like i am. Overclockable 8 cores are better than two cores, 4 threads thats only overclockble through BLCK whatever that is.

Yeah, Micro Center's do change the value prospective.

If he's got a local Micro Center, 8320E with the free or $4.99 motherboard is the absolute cheapest possible build. If he lives anywhere else, I'd say wiser to buy the i3 for the superior upgrade path.
 

MrTeal

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Yeah, Micro Center's do change the value prospective.

If he's got a local Micro Center, 8320E with the free or $4.99 motherboard is the absolute cheapest possible build. If he lives anywhere else, I'd say wiser to buy the i3 for the superior upgrade path.

Which is the free motherboard? The cheapest I see $10AR, but those are 760G models. They don't seem to make a lot of sense at that price vs buying a 970 based board.
 

waltchan

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Which is the free motherboard? The cheapest I see $10AR, but those are 760G models. They don't seem to make a lot of sense at that price vs buying a 970 based board.
The free motherboard (or $10 AR, depending on season ad) is the Asus M5A78L-M/USB3, and has been since mid-2015. I'm not a big fan of this board due to lack of UEFI GPT installation, which Gigabyte GA-78LMT-USB3 has, and isn't Windows 8 friendly. Asus bundled CD software is compatible only up to Windows 7 max. Windows 8 and above (EPU software) cannot control CPU fan speed and always stuck at fast-speed. But overclocking on Asus is a little stronger here. Gigabyte's CD software works fine for Windows 10, surprisingly.

http://www.microcenter.com/product/444287/m5a78l-m-usb3_socket_am3_amd_matx_motherboard

The Gigabyte used to dominate Micro Center's FREE combo sale for the past 3 years, but this board is now rumored to be discontinued with prices going up now. Micro Center now switches to the Asus, but continues to pass this board down to unknown buyers not informing them it isn't Windows 10 friendly.

760g chipset is recommended for used AM3 processors taking advantage of $7 Athlon X2 prices on eBay right now, and help costs down. Otherwise 970 chipset is more suitable for FX processors.
 
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WestX64

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No the 600 B1 is not nearly as nice quality as the Superflower constructed 750 B2. The B2 is also semi-modular. I know you really don't need the power, but it would allow them to use any single GPU that the might want in the future.
Haha, as I said before, I really dislike dealing with rebates but if it gets me a way better power supply for only $10 more then I may as well suck it up and go for it. I appreciate the suggestion and your help! =)

Use promo code: 399DESKTOP
This is a really great option. Not only do you get the system, but you also get a bunch of other stuff your friend will need. Case, keyboard, mouse, legit copy of Win10.
Thank you all for looking into the pre-built systems for me. Though, I have been looking at this Dell system you linked me to as well as the parts you suggested to expand it to my needs and it seems more costly... $400 for the pre-built system plus $300 (rounded up 4 dollars) for the other parts suggested would put me at around $700. When it comes to the 8320E combo deal, it's worth considering because (without the Windows license) it comes out to be about $535 and that package has a 380X. Are those prices including rebates? The thing I'm still worried about with the 8320E build is that it needs to be overclocked to be worth anything and has poor single-core performance when compared to the Intel chips. Not to mention that the AM3+ platform is a dead end when it comes to future upgrades. I am finding the i5 system that came out to about $610 to be very attractive.

Also, I should throw this out there - I already have a Windows 10 genuine license key I'm not using so I don't need to buy that.
 

escrow4

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The free motherboard (or $10 AR, depending on season ad) is the Asus M5A78L-M/USB3, and has been since mid-2015. I'm not a big fan of this board due to lack of UEFI GPT installation,

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760g chipset is recommended for used AM3 processors taking advantage of $7 Athlon X2 prices on eBay right now. Otherwise 970 chipset is more suitable for FX processors.

The 760G is from 2008. EIGHT YEARS. It is so obsolete I wouldn't use it for free. Same with an Athlon x2. OP, that build i5 build is fine. The 380 is old and creaking along but it will play any BLOPS fine. No SSD though.
 

richierich1212

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I would go with a refurbished Dell Inspiron 3847 with i5-4460, 8GB DDR3, 1TB HDD that's going for ~$330 + taxes in the Dell Outlet after coupon code E30%INSPD. Add PSU and a video card that's not longer than 9.5" and you're set.
 

waltchan

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The 760G is from 2008. EIGHT YEARS. It is so obsolete I wouldn't use it for free. Same with an Athlon x2. OP, that build i5 build is fine. The 380 is old and creaking along but it will play any BLOPS fine. No SSD though.
760G chipset is NOT for everyone. It still exists today because cheap builders have asked for it. I, myself, fall in this criteria.
 

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Meh you can build a better overall system with the FX in this price range, especially using microcenter's prices. With a nice cooler you're still at $200 total for cpu/mobo/cooler. Overclocking into the low 4ghz range is very easy and perfectly stable. These chips are just binned for low power usage.

i5's are great if they're actually within your budget, but if you're stuck with a slow HDD and questionable psu is it really worth it? Don't believe the i3 hype either, they tend to stutter and hang. The FX is slower, but it doesn't have that problem.

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: AMD FX-8320E 3.2GHz 8-Core Processor ($99.99)
CPU Cooler: Thermaltake NiC L32 104.4 CFM Sleeve Bearing CPU Cooler ($34.99 @ Amazon)
Motherboard: MSI 970 GAMING ATX AM3+ Motherboard ($59.99)
Memory: Crucial Ballistix Sport 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1866 Memory ($30.99 @ Amazon)
Storage: Mushkin ECO2 512GB 2.5" Solid State Drive ($119.99 @ Newegg)
Video Card: PowerColor Radeon R9 380 4GB PCS+ Video Card ($169.99 @ Newegg)
Case: Deepcool TESSERACT BF ATX Mid Tower Case ($37.99 @ Newegg)
Power Supply: EVGA 750W 80+ Bronze Certified Semi-Modular ATX Power Supply ($48.99 @ NCIX US)
Total: $602.92
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2016-02-29 23:20 EST-0500
 

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Haha, as I said before, I really dislike dealing with rebates but if it gets me a way better power supply for only $10 more then I may as well suck it up and go for it. I appreciate the suggestion and your help! =)

Thank you all for looking into the pre-built systems for me. Though, I have been looking at this Dell system you linked me to as well as the parts you suggested to expand it to my needs and it seems more costly... $400 for the pre-built system plus $300 (rounded up 4 dollars) for the other parts suggested would put me at around $700. When it comes to the 8320E combo deal, it's worth considering because (without the Windows license) it comes out to be about $535 and that package has a 380X. Are those prices including rebates? The thing I'm still worried about with the 8320E build is that it needs to be overclocked to be worth anything and has poor single-core performance when compared to the Intel chips. Not to mention that the AM3+ platform is a dead end when it comes to future upgrades. I am finding the i5 system that came out to about $610 to be very attractive.

Also, I should throw this out there - I already have a Windows 10 genuine license key I'm not using so I don't need to buy that.

You are thinking intelligently bolded there. Latest platform. No OC needed. Reasonable price. Higher in the budget but there will be no regrets later. The rest about AMD being a dead-end plus the performance concerns, not to mention power, heat, etc.

I agree that upgrading many Dells and the like can be problematic.
 
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You are thinking intelligently bolded there. Latest platform. No OC needed. Reasonable price. Higher in the budget but there will be no regrets later. The rest about AMD being a dead-end plus the performance concerns, not to mention power, heat, etc.

I agree that upgrading many Dells and the like can be problematic.

I agree, the OP should go with the i5 build. I would only go with an OEM system for a light gaming system with a low power card like the 750Ti which will run on pretty much any stock psu.
 
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Meh you can build a better overall system with the FX in this price range, especially using microcenter's prices. With a nice cooler you're still at $200 total for cpu/mobo/cooler. Overclocking into the low 4ghz range is very easy and perfectly stable. These chips are just binned for low power usage.

i5's are great if they're actually within your budget, but if you're stuck with a slow HDD and questionable psu is it really worth it? Don't believe the i3 hype either, they tend to stutter and hang. The FX is slower, but it doesn't have that problem.

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: AMD FX-8320E 3.2GHz 8-Core Processor ($99.99)
CPU Cooler: Thermaltake NiC L32 104.4 CFM Sleeve Bearing CPU Cooler ($34.99 @ Amazon)
Motherboard: MSI 970 GAMING ATX AM3+ Motherboard ($59.99)
Memory: Crucial Ballistix Sport 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1866 Memory ($30.99 @ Amazon)
Storage: Mushkin ECO2 512GB 2.5" Solid State Drive ($119.99 @ Newegg)
Video Card: PowerColor Radeon R9 380 4GB PCS+ Video Card ($169.99 @ Newegg)
Case: Deepcool TESSERACT BF ATX Mid Tower Case ($37.99 @ Newegg)
Power Supply: EVGA 750W 80+ Bronze Certified Semi-Modular ATX Power Supply ($48.99 @ NCIX US)
Total: $602.92
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2016-02-29 23:20 EST-0500

Nice price on the video card, but the FX with the added expense of an aftermarket cooler comes to only 25.00 less than the i5.
 

LPCTech

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Go into the bench part of the Anandtech site.

Select the intel processor i3 4330 3.5Ghz

Then select any AMD processor, the A10-XXXX the 8350 any one of them.

Do a comparison.

Realize that the top tier AMD CPUs barely match or tie or slightly edge out the i3.

Then buy an i5 of your choice that will be superior to ANY comparable AMD chip in production. Especially for gaming. And will put out less heat and require less power to do it.

And remember that the guy who likes AMD cant tell the difference between "defiantly" and "definitely". Sorry bro, i agree with you on other things but AMD is a lesser brand for CPUs. They have decent GPUs though. Just not CPUs.
 
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In a budget build,i would opt for a cheap mechanical 500gb-1tb drive over a expensive ssd unless a $40-$60 120gb ssd is enough.If you got a drive,bring it over to the new build for further cost savings.

New build with a i5 from the Haswell/Skylake generation would be my bare minimum goal with a $600 build.
 

UptheIrons

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Dude, 8320e is $90 today and the GA-78LMT-USB3 is $10; you won't find a better value per buck. I use it in my living room pc w/ windows 7 and haven't had any issues. Spend the rest of the money on a GPU, get a $40 1TB HDD, 8gb of ram, and you got a great value system.