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I would pick Bloomberg over Hilary and Trump

There are three candidates (at least), Gary Johnson is running for the Libertarian party. While there is a lot about the libertarian party I don't agree with, I lived in New Mexico when Gary was governor and he did well. At least several orders of magnitude better than the septic tank scrapings that the major parties have on offer.
 
Dammit if I want to drink a 128 oz. big gulp that is my right. My choice between the three? I would write in Willie Nelson.

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-Isn't cocksure about having all the answers
-Turns to people smarter than him to help him find the solutions to the problems of society.
-Five-time ultimate smackdown wrestling champion
 
I would probably vote for Trump over Bloomberg. He's a ego-maniac that treats people like shit, even more so than Trump. Read about how he runs his company. Turns out it's not actually that hard to be the mayor of one of the world's wealthiest cities; what exactly did he accomplish?
 
I vote for the candidate who is going to support the second amendment, not try and get rid of it. There's only one, kiddies.

Any candidate who spews ANY rhetoric about disarming Americans is automatically someone I cannot vote for under any circumstances.
Hillary's done it and so has Bloomberg.
 
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compuwiz1 said:
I vote for the candidate who is going to support the second amendment, not try and get rid of it. There's only one, kiddies.

Any candidate who spews ANY rhetoric about disarming Americans is automatically someone I cannot vote for under any circumstances.
Hillary's done it and so has Bloomberg.
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"I support the ban on assault weapons and I support slightly longer waiting periods to purchase a gun." -Donald Trump

But yeah, I'm sure he totally changed his mind just like he totally changed his mind on basically everything else when he decided to run for president. 😉
 
Hildebeast? Not a chance. Bloomberg? The guy who takes nanny state mentality to a whole new level (see: soft drink ban), the guy who supports stop-and-frisk of citizens with no suspicion of them having done anything wrong, and the guy who wants to crush 2nd amendment rights? Nope, not a chance.

That leaves mister ego, Trump.

It's pretty much a no-brainer, given those choices Trump is the only realistic option.
 
PokerGuy said:
Hildebeast? Not a chance. Bloomberg? The guy who takes nanny state mentality to a whole new level (see: soft drink ban), the guy who supports stop-and-frisk of citizens with no suspicion of them having done anything wrong, and the guy who wants to crush 2nd amendment rights? Nope, not a chance.

That leaves mister ego, Trump.

It's pretty much a no-brainer, given those choices Trump is the only realistic option.
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And why specifically wouldn't you vote for Hillary over this clown? I bet that nearly anything you say about her is either even more true about Trump or embodies a political position that he has recently and conveniently abandoned for political expedience. (I.e.: something else he is lying about)
 
eskimospy said:
And why specifically wouldn't you vote for Hillary over this clown?
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I don't think the forum is big enough to hold a post with all the reasons I wouldn't vote for her 😉

tl:dr version: she's basically a scumbag that embodies pretty much everything that is wrong with politics today. A pathological liar that will say or do anything to anyone if she thinks it will benefit her politically, with an extensive track record of not accomplishing anything while riding the coat-tails of her husband. That's her in a nutshell.

I bet that nearly anything you say about her is either even more true about Trump or embodies a political position that he has recently and conveniently abandoned for political expedience. (I.e.: something else he is lying about)
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I've never claimed to be a Trump fan, so saying "the things you don't like about her you won't like about Trump" is pointless. However much he's flip flopped on issues etc, he has some redeeming features that she doesn't. He's not beholden to a long list of donors, and he's willing to speak his mind, whether I agree with what he says or not.

He's by far the least objectionable of the three.
 
I could potentially vote for Rubio or Kasich on the Republican side and Sanders and Webb on the Dem side. Since that isnt happening I would vote Gary Johnson but he recently made some rather un-libertarian remarks about immigrants. So I will go the ego route and vote for myself in 2016 if it is Trump vs Hildabeast.
 
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And why specifically wouldn't you vote for Hillary over this clown? I bet that nearly anything you say about her is either even more true about Trump or embodies a political position that he has recently and conveniently abandoned for political expedience. (I.e.: something else he is lying about)
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Hillary hasn't done anything significant in her life policy wise except mess things up as Sec of State. There's the fact she refuses to release her wall street speech transcripts and we both know why - she's in bed with Goldman Sachs since she did favors for Chelsea's husband (Goldman Sachs exec). She doesn't have the successes that Trump has in business so she's never employed anyone outside of her campaign. There's still the email fiasco looming. She's basically a wall street puppet while trump isn't. And at least trump is going to tell you you're full of shit and won't pander to other countries like obama did. We will outline the terms, not them this time.
 
PokerGuy said:
I don't think the forum is big enough to hold a post with all the reasons I wouldn't vote for her 😉

tl:dr version: she's basically a scumbag that embodies pretty much everything that is wrong with politics today. A pathological liar that will say or do anything to anyone if she thinks it will benefit her politically, with an extensive track record of not accomplishing anything while riding the coat-tails of her husband. That's her in a nutshell.
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You don't like pathological liars huh? Well I just went over and looked at Politifact for both of them.

http://www.politifact.com/personalities/hillary-clinton/

http://www.politifact.com/personalities/donald-trump/

Turns out that Trump has racked up more lies in about 9 months than Hillary has in the entire history of the site. If you don't like pathological liars then it seems you should prefer Hillary on this account.

Considering Trump has changed his position on basically everything since he started mulling a Republican bid for president it's abundantly clear he is willing to say or do anything that helps him politically. I'm quite sure his political positions have been much less consistent than Hillary's, in fact. So again, if you don't like people who will say anything looks like Hillary's your gal over Trump again. 🙂

As for people who haven't 'accomplished anything', that's a pretty nebulous idea. If you think someone who inherited hundreds of millions of dollars and extensive political and business connections in one of the most valuable real estate markets on earth and was able to turn that into returns that appear to have tracked fairly closely to what he could have gotten by investing in an index fund as a notable achievement well I guess that's on you, haha.

I've never claimed to be a Trump fan, so saying "the things you don't like about her you won't like about Trump" is pointless. However much he's flip flopped on issues etc, he has some redeeming features that she doesn't. He's not beholden to a long list of donors, and he's willing to speak his mind, whether I agree with what he says or not.

He's by far the least objectionable of the three.
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I never said you were a Trump fan, I was just telling you that it was quite likely that Trump is worse than Hillary on the things you claim to care about. I do agree he's not beholden to a long list of donors! It's also hard to know if he speaks his mind or not, because as we already covered he is a brazen, pathological liar.

So yeah, it seems like by your criteria you should be a Hillary voter. I have little doubt that you won't be as I think partisanship is probably too strong to overcome, but such is life.
 
I don't expect any of the three to significantly focus on the problems I see at being important. Not that their partisans won't try to make the case for why their totally irrelevant positions should somehow be incredibly meaningful to me. This forum has plenty of prime examples of people who must be on the autism spectrum for their lack of ability to perceive the preferences of others and tailor their own actions accordingly. For example, the leftists here think it's completely self-evident and obvious that inequality is a huge problem by its own existence and that a higher min wage is not only good but somehow helps me. The Trump folks think it's completely self-obvious that Mexicans are the problem and building a wall is not only good but helps me. Evidently Bloomberg thinks that building a Nth degree nanny state is not only good but helps me.
 
anyone but hillary or sanders who has a shot of winning for me...sanders is pretty much out of it so at this point its anyone but hillary.
 
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I do agree he's not beholden to a long list of donors!
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^Finally admits the truth. Hillary is a Wall St. puppet and Trump won't be one. I think Trump will be controlled by someone, but most likely not Wall St. This is a huge deal for bernie supporters who will most likely be Trump supporters shortly. Even Hillary supporters are more likely to switch sides to the Trump camp than Trump camp to Hillary (12 vs 7%, Rasmussen Polling).
 
eskimospy said:
You don't like pathological liars huh? Well I just went over and looked at Politifact for both of them.

http://www.politifact.com/personalities/hillary-clinton/

http://www.politifact.com/personalities/donald-trump/
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haha, I knew you'd respond with some wall of drivel to pretend hildebeast is no worse than Trump.

Politifact selecting certain statements and evaluating them is not particularly useful or insightful. We all know politicians are generally full of crap, and both of them fit the mold just fine. What sets hildebeast apart is that she's incapable of answering even the most basic question with a straight forward answer. Her recent back and forth with the CBS reporter was a perfect example.

Considering Trump has changed his position on basically everything since he started mulling a Republican bid for president it's abundantly clear he is willing to say or do anything that helps him politically. I'm quite sure his political positions have been much less consistent than Hillary's, in fact. So again, if you don't like people who will say anything looks like Hillary's your gal over Trump again. 🙂
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.... except that being "consistent" in your support for the wrong positions is not a good thing. I'd take him -- inconsistent positions and all -- over her lies and her wrong positions any day of the week.

I never said you were a Trump fan, I was just telling you that it was quite likely that Trump is worse than Hillary on the things you claim to care about.
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And of course we'll disagree on that. He's not, not by a long shot, it's not even close.

So yeah, it seems like by your criteria you should be a Hillary voter.
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lol, yeah, of course I should be. How fortuitous for everyone that you're here to extoll the virtues of hildebeast 😛
 
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^Finally admits the truth. Hillary is a Wall St. puppet and Trump won't be one. I think Trump will be controlled by someone, but most likely not Wall St. This is a huge deal for bernie supporters who will most likely be Trump supporters shortly. Even Hillary supporters are more likely to switch sides to the Trump camp than Trump camp to Hillary (12 vs 7%, Rasmussen Polling).
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I can see the Trump / Bernie ticket now 😀
 
PokerGuy said:
haha, I knew you'd respond with some wall of drivel to pretend hildebeast is no worse than Trump.

Politifact selecting certain statements and evaluating them is not particularly useful or insightful. We all know politicians are generally full of crap, and both of them fit the mold just fine. What sets hildebeast apart is that she's incapable of answering even the most basic question with a straight forward answer. Her recent back and forth with the CBS reporter was a perfect example.
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You're saying this just a couple of days after Donald Trump refused to condemn David Duke and then lied repeatedly about why he didn't condemn him. What more basic question is there than "do you condemn the KKK?"

If you want to talk about not being able to answer even basic questions in a straightforward manner, looks like Trump is once again worse than Hillary, huh?

.... except that being "consistent" in your support for the wrong positions is not a good thing. I'd take him -- inconsistent positions and all -- over her lies and her wrong positions any day of the week.
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I didn't say anything about the merits of their opinions, nor did you for that matter. You claimed Hillary was willing to say or do whatever she thought was to her advantage and Trump is by all indications much worse than she is on that.

It is also pretty funny to say you prefer Trump over someone else's lies considering that he is a constant liar, haha.

And of course we'll disagree on that. He's not, not by a long shot, it's not even close.

lol, yeah, of course I should be. How fortuitous for everyone that you're here to extoll the virtues of hildebeast 😛
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I didn't list any virtues of Hillary, I was simply noting that by your own standards Trump is worse than Hillary. You said you didn't want an opportunistic liar and then said you preferred someone who lies more frequently than any person listed on Politifact's entire website and someone who has brazenly and opportunistically changed his positions.
 
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