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I would love to see a lawsuit against Apple for this...does it have a chance?

Miramonti

Miramonti

Lifer
Whenever Apple has an IOS update, they push the update to nag the user daily to update:

Install Now
Later
Details

You are required to choose one of these, and are not given the choice to 'Decline.' If you choose 'Later', you get:

Install Tonight
Remind Me Later

Again, no option offered to 'Decline.'

However, the biggest problem I have is that in order to install the update, one is forced to accept their associated terms of service with the update (which I'm assuming, are usually tweaked at least some with new IOS versions.)

As a result, I find this method basically bullying the user to accept their new TOS, requiring the user to commit to installing/accepting the newest version "Later", at a minimum. And if they don't, Apple degrades the user experience when using an IOS version they have already accepted the TOS for with the incessant nagging.

This needs to change.
 
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So, sue a company because you don't like how their software works? (you can turn off the "nagging" BTW) I am sure trial lawyers would love that to be a valid basis for lawsuits as well but I am thinking it is not going to happen.

It is too bad Apple can't be like all those other companies that offer an OS without any TOS.

-KeithP
 
It can go. Return your phone to the Apple store. You have choice. You can choose not to use it.

Why would you not want updates, anyway? They tend to fix security vulnerabilities, which there are many for Apple products.
 
KeithP said:
So, sue a company because you don't like how their software works? (you can turn off the "nagging" BTW) I am sure trial lawyers would love that to be a valid basis for lawsuits as well but I am thinking it is not going to happen.

It is too bad Apple can't be like all those other companies that offer an OS without any TOS.

-KeithP
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I like how the software works in general, just not how it makes the user agree to installing any updated IOS version, and thus requiring an acceptance of a new TOS in the process. When I began using my apple devices, I accepted it's TOS...but I did not accept the requirement of accepting all new TOS' in order to use said devices. Currently, a user can not use their device until they agree to install the IOS, either by installing now or choosing 'Later', so that one is nagged again the next day.
 
nerp said:
It can go. Return your phone to the Apple store. You have choice. You can choose not to use it.

Why would you not want updates, anyway? They tend to fix security vulnerabilities, which there are many for Apple products.
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Apple will not offer a full refund for device a few years old due to one not agreeing to install an updated IOS version. While you say I have a choice not to use it, they should not have the choice to not let me use it simply because I do not agree to install their updated IOS version and not accept their new TOS. However this is what they are doing by not providing an option to not install a new IOS version. These nag screens are not bypassable nor suppressable.
 
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nerp said:
It can go. Return your phone to the Apple store. You have choice. You can choose not to use it.
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Yes, I imagine lots of people would be happy with the idea of paying a significant amount of money for a device, agreeing to a TOS, then being presented with a new, unacceptable TOS say three weeks later, and writing off that purchase. /s

Even more interesting that you apparently think that's an acceptable line of logic that you would be happy with companies adopting.
 
Annoyance, yes. Suit worthy? No. Besides, you should know by now that this kind of suit is a scam by the lawyers. You'll get a whole $1 and the lawyers will get 7 figures. Don't believe me? I got a check in the mail last week for A WHOLE DOLLAR!!!!! from a class action lawsuit against AT&T. You think the lawyers got that???
 
I wish I left my iPhone 5 on whatever os it came with, before the abomination that is the Podcasts app. Not only does the app suck, but I think its killing my battery life. The app and battery life seems to get worse and worse with each update. I normally wait a long time before I update, but this last time I was nagged way too much...it was really getting on my nerves. They need an additional option to go with Install Now and Later...F*ck Off! The same can be said for the MacOS Software Update notifications. Even if you turn off Automatically Check for Updates, it freakin does it anyway.
 
There should be an option to skip, but I look at it this way: at least it's not Microsoft tricking you into installing Windows 10. I know Microsoft technically had ways to turn down the update, but it actively downplayed and hid those options to make it seem as if you had no choice. Apple at least makes it clear that you can stall... and if you want, you have control over both checking for updates and installing them.
 
It's same with all the software right now, windows does it as well, so are many other programs and free OSes. Unlike android where releasing any update to the OS takes hundred billion years ofc.
 
lopri said:
What happens if you keep choosing "Remind Later," annoying as it might be?
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This last time in IOS when you said remind me later, it would bring up the keypad and ask you to enter your pin to remind you later. You can't dismiss the keypad unless you hit the power button, there was no cancel or anything. So to avoid updating you need to do remind me later, then power off the screen when the keypad appears, turn the screen on and then enter your pin to unlock the phone and do whatever it was you wanted to do before the OS tried to force you to upgrade. Which in my case 99% of the time was simply play the next podcast, because the Podcasts app can't sort by time, then title.

Anyways, I went through the bypass steps for a few weeks before I said screw it and updated. Probably won't get another iPhone next time around, especially with the loss of the headphone jack.
 
I hate it, BUT, it's in the interest of forced security, same as a Chromebook or Google Chrome updates, so I deal.
 
Kaido said:
I hate it, BUT, it's in the interest of forced security, same as a Chromebook or Google Chrome updates, so I deal.
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I know some updates are motivated by security patches, but even in these cases, one would expect no updates to the TOS not related to such patches. Otherwise, one could say the security update was a pretense for pressuring people to agree to new TOS terminology/terms.

(However I don't have a history of TOS or IOS update summaries to verify any unrelated TOS changes at the time of these updates.)
 
The solution to this is accept that basically any product you buy now with a chip in it is really a conduit for a software license. You only own a hunk of metal and glass. The "phone" you use is the software. I don't see the business model changing anytime soon.

Maybe someone is starting an open source phone operating system.
 
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