I would like Nvidia to stick around

[apoppin]

Originally posted by: NOX

Originally posted by: mjolnir2k
In the words of the immortal John Belushi:

Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor?"

The race is far from over and nVidia isn't going anywhere. Check their stock...been pretty consistant and far above ATI's.

They will win some and lose some, but falling behind 1 cycle to ATI certainly won't ruin them.

When did the Germans ever bomb Pearl Harbor? Or is there some kind of inside joke to that saying?

I believe the "quote" is from the movie (I think was) called 1941 . . . now think: "Belushi" . . . "Germans bombed PH"


"Your bases us all to belong are" . . oh, n/m

I remember

 

[teutonicknight]

Originally posted by: Sunner

Originally posted by: Electric Amish
Me too.... if they left, I wouldn't have anyone in the video card industry to hate.

amish

Out of curiosity, why would anyone hate nVidia? Or ATi?

I can't think of a single hardware company I hate, though I can think of alot of companies that make products I don't really care for.
Compared to ATi's current offering, nVidia's current products fall in that category in fact

Well I can't think of a hardware company that I hate, but I can think of another company I hate: AOL *shivers* I use to use Aol... until I knew better... those were dark times....


Anyway, I hope NVIDA sitcks around too.... competition is always nice.

 

[flexy]

Originally posted by: bluemax
I just don't understand the nVidia-Mania though...

Average Joe just doesn't seem to know any better... they go off to Future Shop saying, "GEFORCE is de best!" and many of the sales clerks are no better. Ask them WHY they think it's the best and they go slack-jawed with no answer. [sigh]

Ever been in retail ? A "good" sales clerk will always call the most expensive items (and the ones which have to go because noone buys them) "the best" Why a particular item is "really" better does not really matter, as long as one item is more $$$ - then this is of course "the best" <--

 

[BentValve]

Nvidia isn't going anywhere, they dont need or want your support....besides
ATI is a much less stable company and 100x more likely to fail.


Go ahead and support those pot smoking cheeseheads...I would rather support an American company.

 

[GTaudiophile]

I don't think nVidia is going anywhere. I think ATi just gave them a good wake-up call which will cause them to work even harder. I think their CEO needs to show some respect to ATi, though, instead of thinking them some sort of second-rate manufacturer. Why? Because the people over at ATi are moving and shaking:

[Zardon] After working for so many years at Nvidia, how do you feel about working for ATI? Have you found the transition in anyway difficult? What are ATI like to work for?

[Richard Huddy] The transition from working at NVIDIA to working at ATI has been quite a surprise to me in a number of ways. The main comment I'd make is that working for ATI now is very much like working for NVIDIA was at the start of my time there. When I joined NVIDIA almost five years ago, as the 94th member of staff the company was shockingly impressive. At that time it was hungry for success, technically ambitious to a degree that astonished all of its competition, and really tremendously focussed on doing what needed to be done.

Entire Interview

 

[Maelsturm]

nvidia has the nforce mobos + xbox graphics contracts

I think the FX didn't mean THAT much. The company isnt going under.

 

[wfbberzerker]

Originally posted by: Maelsturm
nvidia has the nforce mobos + xbox graphics contracts

I think the FX didn't mean THAT much. The company isnt going under.

while the FX probably didnt mean that much financially, i think that the radeon 9700/geforce fx (which are really ati and nvidia's flagship cards for the moment) were more of a symbol of what the company was capable of producing. while the fx not being successful may not have a huge impact on the company, it shows that nvidia may not be as strong as ati in the R&D department.

however, i do agree with you, nvidia isn't going anywhere anytime soon.

 

[compudog]

OK, so nVidia's FX is late to the table and not so impressive. But the nForce2 kicks *ss. They will be around for a while.

 

[GTaudiophile]

Originally posted by: compudog
OK, so nVidia's FX is late to the table and not so impressive. But the nForce2 kicks *ss. They will be around for a while.

One caveat: just remember which company is licensed to sell chipsets for Intel. ATi is just getting started in that regard.

 

[apoppin]

Originally posted by: BentValve
Nvidia isn't going anywhere, they dont need or want your support....besides
ATI is a much less stable company and 100x more likely to fail.


Go ahead and support those pot smoking cheeseheads...I would rather support an American company.

You were a 3DFX fanboi too, right.

 

[Ice9]

I prefer ATI these days (own a 9700 pro, plan on getting a 9800).

HOWEVER... ATI has a long way to go before they catch up with nvidia.

The market "sweet spot" is the midrange market. Since nvidia sells a *TON* of MX440's, and generates a TON of revenue from 'em as a result, you won't see NVIDIA go away any time soon.

At this point, nvidia's worst quarter is still FAR better than ATI's best, even if they have the "top" product at the high end.

Nvidia's problem: Doing something with this monstrosity of a product - the GFFX, and somehow manufacturing a "profitable" midrange card out of it. While the GFFX uses DDR2 that's not shipping in volume, they'll be completely killing themselves if they have the same dependency on their "FX MX" line. DDR2 isn't expected to ship in quantity until 2005. Their saving grace: NV31 on the high end, lower clock speeds for the midrange "FX MX" line (whatever that turns out to be), with a DX9 feature set.

ATI's problem: Insider trading, and making a profit. They've made LEAPS AND BOUNDS with improving their drivers. Their hardware is now worthy of the high end. But their midrange stuff stinks and doesn't get enough attention. They need to make it HERE before they make it ANYWHERE. And yeah, they can't afford to f*ck up from here on out. Their saving grace: AGP is dead going forward (hey, Intel sez so), and i'm not sure how "well known" this is - but ATI is working VERY closely with Intel on delivering the first PCI Express video card to co-incide with the PCI Express launch. In fact, they're hashing out all the details as we post. They'll potentially be the first company to have a PCI express video card that can actually take advantage of its bandwidth. If I remember correctly, AGP 8x tops out at around 2.1GB/sec, and PCI Express tops out at 8GB/sec.

 

[Instigator]

I agree that Nvidia isn't going anywhere for awhile and that the competition is good for all of us, especially the hardcore gamers and overclockers. This competition, just like AMD vs Intel, has brought us killer advancements in graphics and power. The only thing the ATI vs Nvidia competition has not brought us is lower cost on video cards. That has always irked me. I think its ridiculous that the top cards are always $400. Don't forget not to far back the video cards like Voodoo 2, Voodoo 3, Geforce, and Geforce 2 would come out at around $200. There was a huge jump to $400 I think when the Geforce 4 came out. I'm always trying to stay on top of the cpus and video cards because I love to game. But with the cards being released every 6 months, which is a good thing, you would think the 6 month old cards price would drop alot quicker. Here is an example I think is pretty common for some of us:

Video Card A (newly released)-----------------------$400
6 months later Video Card B (newly released)----$400
Video Card A (6 months old)--------------------------$300
Video Card A (12 months old)------------------------$200

In this example, if you wait for Video Card A to come down to $200, then Video Card A will just be starting to show it's age (i.e. Unreal 2). Please don't get me wrong, not everybody cares about the latest games, but for those that would like to play the new games like Unreal 2 it's brutal. I'm running 800x600x32 with a very fast setup and I'm getting 25-35 fps. I'm really hoping the rumors about the R350 being 25% cheaper to build will come into play. Getting the best video card at $300 is alot easier to deal with than forking out $400 every flippin year. Sorry don't mean to rant, but man it would be sweet to see top of the line video cards come out at the $300 mark.

 

[GTaudiophile]

Ice9, you are correct about PCI Express. I read an article this week about how Intel and ATi are working very closely on this. In fact, I think their partnership with Intel is a big feather in ATi's cap.

 

[NOX]

Originally posted by: apoppin

Originally posted by: NOX

Originally posted by: mjolnir2k
In the words of the immortal John Belushi:

Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor?"

The race is far from over and nVidia isn't going anywhere. Check their stock...been pretty consistant and far above ATI's.

They will win some and lose some, but falling behind 1 cycle to ATI certainly won't ruin them.

When did the Germans ever bomb Pearl Harbor? Or is there some kind of inside joke to that saying?

I believe the "quote" is from the movie (I think was) called 1941 . . . now think: "Belushi" . . . "Germans bombed PH"


"Your bases us all to belong are" . . oh, n/m

I remember

LOL, ok I see. "John Belushi", hehehe...

 

[bluemax]

Originally posted by: BentValve
Nvidia isn't going anywhere, they dont need or want your support....besides
ATI is a much less stable company and 100x more likely to fail.
Go ahead and support those pot smoking cheeseheads...I would rather support an American company.

Any of you remember the picture I painted earlier of the redneck ambling into Future Shop saying, "Gimme' one-a dem' Gee-Forces! Theyrrr de best I saiz. Ayup!"
When asked why, "Cuz dey ARE!"
When mentioned ATI, "They have sucky drivers! Everybawdy sez so!"

ATI has been around much, much longer than nVidia. Maybe they aren't the largest OEM provider as they once were but they're still #2 and it's been a hard race ever since. ATI and nVidia are both very definately in for the long haul. Neither one is about to drop off the radar, as both are in stable financial shape and poised for success.

I say bravo to nVidia for doing very well in a market where competition is tough and the losers die or become absorbed (Number9, s3, 3dfx) and for taking the lead from a long-time forerunner.

I say bravo to ATI for not only having the lead for so very long (we're talking all the way back to the AT(286) days!) but for continuing to push for the best even after an upstart takes the lead. Also, kudos for pushing hard enough to make some real headway... technical innovations making them the producer of the best product, improving where needed (Catalyst!) and making innovations and partnerships like nVidia has also done. (Game consoles, motherboard chipsets...)

You can't really HATE either one. They both have too many merits going for them.

 

[Medellon]

These cards will remain at $400 until people just get fed up and stop buying them. As long as people buy them at $400 they will continue to be priced that high. It is ridiculous though, look at what you get in an XBOX for $200.

 

[Ice9]

You can't really HATE either one. They both have too many merits going for them.

Hah! Get a load of this guy. Hey buddy, what are you doing here making perfect sense?

All kidding aside, you're 100% on the money. The industry needs both of these companies. ATI's drivers stunk royally for the longest time because they didn't HAVE to worry about the 3d market like they do now

NVIDIA's main focus was 3d from the beginning, allowing their drivers to mature with the 3d industry. Back in the 286/386/486/Early pentium days, ATI just needed a good 2D feature set, and everyone mostly got that right. ATI is still playing catch-up to NVIDIA's driver maturity. They've definitely gotten good though with Cat 3.1/DX9.

 

[apoppin]

Originally posted by: Medellon
These cards will remain at $400 until people just get fed up and stop buying them. As long as people buy them at $400 they will continue to be priced that high. It is ridiculous though, look at what you get in an XBOX for $200.

An UNupgradable 733Mhz CPU, A GF4 hybred and limited RAM. The PC platform is gonna walk all over consoles this year and next (graphically).

 

[Medellon]

The XBOX came out a over a year ago so price how much those components would cost and see if you can get them cheaper than $200. Remember, you get more than just a bunch of loose components. I love the PC and I haven't owned a console since the original PS back in 1995 when a console did blow away a PC, I'm just saying that PC video hardware is overpriced.

 

[human2k]

Originally posted by: Medellon
I think the competition between ATI and Nvidia keeps prices down and innovation up.

You don't need to think, driving prices down and bring innovation up is a GIVEN. But life is unfair, so some companies must go......

 

[apoppin]

Originally posted by: Medellon
The XBOX came out a over a year ago so price how much those components would cost and see if you can get them cheaper than $200. Remember, you get more than just a bunch of loose components. I love the PC and I haven't owned a console since the original PS back in 1995 when a console did blow away a PC, I'm just saying that PC video hardware is overpriced.

Well it is out-of-date now AND it cost $300 at launch. If someone bought just X-Box TEN games, their total "investment" is $800 ($500+$300). Ten near-new PC games will cost about $200-250. (to me consoles are a "rip") ANd you can "get by" by O/C'ing and piece-by-piece upgrading.

Of course - if you use your PC ONLY for gaming and must have the LATEST HW and "just released" games (avoiding Hot Deals) - it is unbelievably expensive.

"Cutting-edge" PC hardware is overpriced. You can get a 8500 for about $80 and a Ti4200 for about a C note and they will run ANY current game (with a 1.2Ghz CPU). Look at the mid-performance Athlon CPUs; RAM is almost dirt-cheap.



My last console was the Sega Genesis.

 

[DAPUNISHER]

Nvidia's business model has been well covered so I'll address the grievious error made in this thread

I believe the "quote" is from the movie (I think was) called 1941 . . . now think: "Belushi" . . . "Germans bombed PH"

Oh for shame! It was Animal House!

 

[apoppin]

Originally posted by: DAPUNISHER
Nvidia's business model has been well covered so I'll address the grievious error made in this thread

I believe the "quote" is from the movie (I think was) called 1941 . . . now think: "Belushi" . . . "Germans bombed PH"

Oh for shame! It was Animal House!

I'm glad I said "I think" . . . it's been YEARS since I saw either movie . . . thanks for the clarification.
(at least I got the "spirit" of the answer partly correct)

AND . . . it looks like nVidia is losing an important "partner" . . . there might be "cracks" in their model . . . If they can get back to "tech-driven" and away from "market driven", they will be fine . . . they're just gonna spend some time rebuilding and rethinking (I hope).