I won't be buying NVIDIA any time soon

[UsandThem]

Compellor:
ATI press releases

Do you think that posting NVIDIA press releases about dominating the video market will change our minds? If so then read ATI's press releases.

All companies do that to increase the buzz for their stock. They need investors. What does that lead to? Press releases that pump up their products. AMD has always done this. Just look at their history when they had the K6. They always had charts and graphs showing that they were superior to a Pentium II in every catagory. Were they? No.

I won' even get into notebook graphics right now........

NVIDIA has had a great year. There is no doubt. They will continue to do good. Does that mean that ATI is going out of business? If you think so, please check yourself into a drug rehab center.

If you are going to post BS here, at least make it interesting.

 

[SleepyTim]

Compellor, I work hard to be a productive member around here and you are one of only 2 or 3 people that I have ever had a problem with.
Oh sure, now you say "Let it rest" after I have shown you were wrong. Sorry, you don't get off that easy buddy.

I have shown that you are a liar and a coward, and you are the one who can't back up your statements, and you make false accusations against people. Heh, you say you don't call names but you make remarks accusing me of not backing things up, and saying things I never said. That's worse IMO. Do not go around making accusations against people unless you are prepared to back them up! Even though you have edited the insults out of one of your posts, the other one is still there. I will let people decide for themselves what happened here, and who can be trusted. You are not worthy of any further time or comments from me.

NOW it can rest!


(Pidge, that's fine. You have your opinions too. Overall we have actually agreed on more than we disagreed on.)

 

[Compellor]

<< Do you think that posting NVIDIA press releases about dominating the video market will change our minds? >>



I already said it didn't prove anything, since I realize it was just industry &quot;buzz.&quot;

 

[lsd]

It's funny how some people were saying that NVDA is now a monopoly and this thread is saying otherwise. It is true, ATI does hold a larger percent of the OEM market, mostly due to their intergrated chipsets.
The ATI vs. NVDA arguement will go on for years to come....

 

[Compellor]

SleepyTim:

You're living proof of your signature. Uh, what insults? Who? What? Where? What was edited?

Like I said before: Weren't you the one who said &quot;they're just video cards?&quot; Look who's taking the issue seriously now.

Keep living in the dream of yours. Maybe you'll wake up someday and be a &quot;real man.&quot; HAHAHAHAHA!

 

[DominoBoy]

I think Compellor suffers from a serious mental problem. One minute he says things that are not true. Then somebody proves him wrong. Then he says things other people say are not true. Then somebody proves him wrong. Then he tries to wimp out and make excuses for what he did. Then somebody smacks him down and shows what a moron he is. Then he tries to make more stupid remarks and shows that he has no clue what the hell just took place. Compellor you are such an idiot. You are so clouded by your Nvidia tunnel vision that you lose touch with reality and what is actually happening around you. I guess that is why I have always won every single argument that we have ever had. People with no clue can't win arguments, and you have no clue. Run along now Compellor and let the big boys talk about the neat computers. Isn't your Pokemon show coming on TV?

 

[DominoBoy]

Pika Pika!

Pokemon Power!

 

[Compellor]

DominoBoy:

You're living proof of your signature, also. Makes me wonder if you know any &quot;real&quot; people, or just sit around day and night on this forum, criticizing everyone who holds a different view than your own. Ah, what a life you must lead.



<< Run along now Compellor and let the big boys talk about the neat computers. >>



&quot;Big Boys.&quot; &quot;Neat computers?&quot; HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! You own a Mac or something? Aren't those &quot;geek&quot; terms?

 

[DominoBoy]

WOW!! Your witty remarks are only surpassed by your ignorance. I'm impressed.

You are the one who always starts a fight with people who don't worship Nvidia like you do. I argue with people because they are dumbasses and you just happen to fit into that category. See the difference? I also have apologized to people when I was wrong. Something you never do which is lame considering you are always wrong.

Instead of ruining this thread, we can set up our very own and argue there if you like.

 

[StickHead]

ATI isn't going anywhere, they have way more money than nVidia.

 

[Compellor]

<< You are the one who always starts a fight with people who don't worship Nvidia like you do >>



Fight? With whom? Where? Generally, people that use name calling are the ones who are looking to start a fight. SleepyTim just doesn't like it when I say anything negative about ATi. It's some sort of &quot;issue&quot; he has. Weird, but true. I don't worship nVidia; it only appears that way, here, because I originally made a slightly negative OPINION about them in my first post. Whoop-te-doo.

 

[DominoBoy]

I believe SleepyTim and the other guys were just correcting you because you were wrong. It wasn't about saying anything negative, it was about being wrong. Big difference!

Stop pretending to be innocent. I guess you also don't remember when you attacked me in the past either. How convienant for you. Selective memory I guess. I said a few bad things about my GeForce2 and Nvidia and you and LSD and Pidge went nuts. You are the pot calling the kettle black. I have flamed and I admit I have flamed. But you are a dumbass and you won't admit it.

 

[BFG10K]

Unless nVidia ships drivers and hardware as good and as stable as 3dfx's, I'll stick with 3dfx as long as possible and then switch to ATi.

 

[lsd]

<< I said a few bad things about my GeForce2 >>


You never explained exactly any problems you've had with your &quot;geforce 2&quot;. Hence the flames.

 

[pidge]

&quot;I said a few bad things about my GeForce2 and Nvidia and you and LSD and Pidge went nuts&quot;

I don't remember attacking you, just stating some reasons why NVIDIA were excellent cards. You never stated the exact problems you were having so I could never really go nuts attacking you.

 

[Sunner]

antiABIT, I just thought I'd tell you that a bit north of you(Sweden more exatcly), nVidia has an enourmous dominance.
There are M64's and MX's in almost every computer around here, that doesnt have a chip such as the i810 or i815.

 

[Compellor]

<< I guess you also don't remember when you attacked me in the past either. >>



Attacked? Where? When? WHY??? Were your feelings hurt? Did it make you want to go out and kill someone? Ah, you made need therapy. Let me give you a number to call...



<< But you are a dumbass and you won't admit it >>



Admit to being something that isn't a word? Did you flunk english?

 

[CompFreak]

blah, ATI Sucks! And the End of the long Video Card Wars are about to end, YEah right like ATI can do anything, The Radeon is good but f@ck it! ATI Sucks! bah i actually have the all in Wonder card for TV but thats all they make good. Nvidia makes the best stuff but now im getting worried that they will jack prices up on is just like Intel in the old days. Im Scared

 

[UsandThem]

<< blah, ATI Sucks! And the End of the long Video Card Wars are about to end, YEah right like ATI can do anything, The Radeon is good but f@ck it! ATI Sucks! bah i actually have the all in Wonder card for TV but thats all they make good. Nvidia makes the best stuff but now im getting worried that they will jack prices up on is just like Intel in the old days. Im Scared >>





Yeah, Intel sucks man! AMD sucks too man! Oh, and Micron sucks too! While I am at it Dell sucks! :|

Your post ranks up there with the most ignorant responses I have ever seen. You sound like Hardware. In case you don't know who is, it is not a compliment.

 

[Taz4158]

<< << ATI actually has a full 67% larger share of the market worldwide than Nvidia. >> >>


To question Sleepy Tim's integrity is quite ignorant of you, but having seen your completely unbalanced and immature responses I'm not surprised. Now as to ATIs viability as a company there are a few things people are forgetting. The retail market is quite small as compared to OEM. The average person doesn't have a clue about framerates, D3D etc. They DON'T buy retail cards and ATI has the OEM market sewn up which is why they push stability ahead of ANYTHING else. Now it just so happens that the Radeon is a superb card and the best all-around card (pun intended) so retail sales are all just icing on the cake for them. But the biggest thing , business-wise, is the Canadian dollar. By exporting to the States they earn an extra 50 cents on every dollar compared to nVidia or 3DFX. Build and research in Canadian dollars and get paid in American. It's a beautiful thing. So to all the ATI bashers out there, you're entitled to your abysmally wrong and pathetically misguided opinions but as a company ATI will not be going anywhere. Oh and they do own the Europen market as well and the Euro is valued nicely too for Canadian exporters. Economics 101 is now closed.

 

[BAMAVOO]

ATI holds the OEM market because they sell it cheap...Their oem market is lackluster at best..How do I know? Nearly all of our 600 pc's at my company have them We did get lucky with a few systems and get 32megTNT2 ultras..



I own a Radeon 64meg VIVO..I like it but am in the process of trading it for a 64meg Prophet II..I may want to trade back after I get the Geforce 2.( I have already owned a 64meg Geforce 2 by the way) I just don't use the DVD or TV in/out..I have a Tv Card installed and it takes care of all my video needs.. The Radeon is a sweet card but just doesn't produce enough speed for me..

My .02 cents

 

[pidge]

&quot;To question Sleepy Tim's integrity is quite ignorant of you, but having seen your completely unbalanced and immature responses I'm not surprised. Now as to ATIs viability as a company there are a few things people are forgetting. The retail market is quite small as compared to OEM. The average person doesn't have a clue about framerates, D3D etc. They DON'T buy retail cards and ATI has the OEM market sewn up which is why they push stability ahead of ANYTHING else. Now it just so happens that the Radeon is a superb card and the best all-around card (pun intended) so retail sales are all just icing on the cake for them. But the biggest thing , business-wise, is the Canadian dollar. By exporting to the States they earn an extra 50 cents on every dollar compared to nVidia or 3DFX. Build and research in Canadian dollars and get paid in American. It's a beautiful thing. So to all the ATI bashers out there, you're entitled to your abysmally wrong and pathetically misguided opinions but as a company ATI will not be going anywhere. Oh and they do own the Europen market as well and the Euro is valued nicely too for Canadian exporters. Economics 101 is now closed.&quot;

Taz...you must have taken Economics 101 from a junior college. Check out Dell's site. Check out Gateway's site. All of their consumer models feature a an NVIDIA video card. ATI is only an option, not standard. I am not sure about HP or Compaq because I am to tired to look but judging by the PC's I have seen at the stores, they also all feature NVIDIA cards as well. According to Anand, Apple is next. Also, let us not forget the laptop market which all depends on how good ATI's next mobile chip is. The only guaranteed good news about next year is Nintendo gamecube which features a chip made by a company ATI bought out. So to sum things up, ATI doesn't have the OEM market all &quot;sewn up&quot;. Here are some of the reasons why NVIDIA has caught up with ATI:

Better drivers. Sure with some stuff, ATI may be a better card but NVIDIA has the best all around drivers. Not only that but with their unified drivers, they can continue to provide support for older technology and continuously offer driver upgrades for its customers. This is very big for OEM's who have to support their customers 1-3 years down the road. Look at ATI's page. They have different dates for different products for their last driver update. NVIDIA's is simple. Just one driver to support all of their products. And one driver to update them all. This makes it easy fot admins who have to update systems to better video card, with NVIDIA, that is one less worry.

Speed. NVIDIA has the crown in this area. And OEM's love to brag about it if they can.

Actually, I think one of the major features and benefits of NVIDIA cards is their drivers. NVIDIA cards can be used in workstations, gaming systems and basic systems as well. Their drivers are so well rounded for any market segment. ATI is just for the basic consumer and they are just starting to do good in the gaming segment.

You actually made a lot of good points Taz. I just think that ATI's is losing its grip in the OEM market and although I don't believe they are going out of business anytime soon, I also don't believe they have a solid hold on it either.

 

[Subversal]

WOW! The Ati v. Nvidia battle has just taken a new step...

 

[exceeds]

I think you guys are looking at the video card battle from a slightly dated perspective. We should be looking ahead 6 months down the road, not 6 months into the past. Nv20 vs. Radeon II should be exciting.

ATI is still a huge force in the PC Graphics business, Nvidia stole market share in the desktop OEM business, no question there. Now, where it gets interesting is looking forward. Will we start to see ATI cards win back OEM business? I think so, ATI is finally getting their act together on the consumer PC side. Radeon's are actually starting to appear in some high end systems. I suspect they will continue to gradually claw back some marketshare with the Radeon and Radeon II products and their offshoots. We will have to wait and see.

ATI has significantly more engineering resources than Nvidia. It will be interesting to see where all those 3DFX/Gigapixel employees end up, Nvidia? maybe, ATI? maybe, elsewhere? who knows. Complaints of lacklustre drivers are being addressed, ATI has had many driver updates since the Radeon's release. I have also heard ATI will be moving to a unified driver architecture shortly (anyone confirm this?). ATI is also doing great in the mobile segment - the only PC market with accelerating growth. yes I know Nvidia will be entering this market soon but power consumption on the GeForce2Go is a question mark as well as whether this type of product is even suitable for the notebook market. Blasting out huge framerates on the desktop does not necessarily translate into success in mobiles.

Finally, ATI and Nvidia both must watch out for Intel eating their lunch with the i815 integrated parts. Intel has been gaining marketshare rapidly, especially at the low-end. On the plus side, both companies are going to need a competing product and soon. ATI has a Super 7 chipset on the market and a S370 part in the works (may be shipping now) as well, Nvidia have announced plans for an integrated offering as well.

It is the in the interested of all gamers and PC users in general to have at least a few strong players pushing the envelop. Competition drives innovation. Monopoly's are not good for anyone except shareholder's and lead to el-crappo buggy products us poor saps are stuck with(ie. MS Windows).