I wonder why the UN wouldn't help the US in Iraq

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: AEB
*SIgh* the war is justified Start a new thread and i will tell you why.
Otherwise focus on the fin issue at hand corrupt foreign bodies controlling our nations, i am sad to see i am the only one botherd by it.

If we had found vast Quanties of WMDs, an Advanced Nuclear Weapons Program in place and direct links between Hussien and Al Qaeda then it would have been justified.

 

[Czar]

Originally posted by: AEB
Start it


and if you dont see it Iozina you need help

I have started it and you have yet to answer my question regarding the foreign policy this thread is about
if china invaded taiwan and said it was their foreign policy, would you shutup about it?

 

[TastesLikeChicken]

Originally posted by: Czar

Originally posted by: AEB
*SIgh* the war is justified Start a new thread and i will tell you why.
Otherwise focus on the fin issue at hand corrupt foreign bodies controlling our nations, i am sad to see i am the only one botherd by it.

fine I'll start a new thread
I am asking you both, if china invaded taiwan and said it was their foreign policy, would you shutup about it?

Can you make this hypethetical question more equitable?

Should we suppose there were weapons inspections in Taiwan for 12+ years; that Taiwan had been jerking around the inspectors for virtually the entire time, until China has soldiers on their borders; that numerous UN resolutions were issued and never acted upon; that Taiwan conspired to have the leader of CHina assasinated; and all the other issues that would make it similar to the situation in Iraq?

 

[0marTheZealot]

Because when you get involved with a known illegal act, you can charged with that same illegal act.

 

[Czar]

Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken

Originally posted by: Czar

Originally posted by: AEB
*SIgh* the war is justified Start a new thread and i will tell you why.
Otherwise focus on the fin issue at hand corrupt foreign bodies controlling our nations, i am sad to see i am the only one botherd by it.

fine I'll start a new thread
I am asking you both, if china invaded taiwan and said it was their foreign policy, would you shutup about it?

Can you make this hypethetical question more equitable?

Should we suppose there were weapons inspections in Taiwan for 12+ years; that Taiwan had been jerking around the inspectors for virtually the entire time, until China has soldiers on their borders; that numerous UN resolutions were issued and never acted upon; that Taiwan conspired to have the leader of CHina assasinated; and all the other issues that would make it similar to the situation in Iraq?

even if that was the case, would both of you just not say a thing?

 

[lozina]

Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken

Originally posted by: lozina
[Besides, I don't see you drawing conclusions from the fact that American and Brittish individuals were also on this list of benefactors which you seem to be citing from.

Which Americans are those? Is it the two Arabs that live in America?

Is the Brit you're speaking of the British Lord that was vehemently anti-Blair and anti-war?

So you're suggesting the Americans and the Brittish names (note: plural) have no effect on American foreign policy? What makes you think the European names on the list have any effect of their country's foreign policy?

 

[Bitek]

Originally posted by: AEB
*SIgh* the war is justified Start a new thread and i will tell you why.
Otherwise focus on the fin issue at hand corrupt foreign bodies controlling our nations, i am sad to see i am the only one botherd by it.

How are they "controlling our nation(s)?" We seem pretty free to do whatever we want. We want to invade Iraq, they say "no", but we still invaded Iraq.
What have we actually been prevented from doing because of the UN? We seem quite free to sign/break/reject treadies as we see fit. How many places have we invaded at will since ~1946 with or without UN support?

We went off on our own against the advise in the UN council. We were not willing to work out a compromise strategy with our closest allies, so we left them behind. How can we now expect them to come rushing to our cries for help?

 

[RabidMongoose]

Why would the some of the main opposition countries want to help the US if that would end up hurting them?

 

[piasabird]

Just blow up all the oil wells and facilities and pull out of that country. I say bomb them into the stone age and get the hell out.

 

[jpeyton]

Originally posted by: piasabird
Just blow up all the oil wells and facilities and pull out of that country. I say bomb them into the stone age and get the hell out.

Well I can GUARANTEE that will not happen anytime soon. You think the Dub/Cheney Halliburton connection will OK the bombing of oil wells? They'll sooner send 1000 more soldiers to their deaths before that. 1000 US soldiers is a LOT cheaper than countless billions in those oil fields.

 

[Bitek]

Originally posted by: piasabird
Just blow up all the oil wells and facilities and pull out of that country. I say bomb them into the stone age and get the hell out.

Well, if we wanted to single-handedly destroy the world's economy that would be a good start.

 

[ElFenix]

its a shame that france and germany insist on using a collective security body to pursue nationalist enrichment policies.

 

[Bitek]

Originally posted by: ElFenix
its a shame that france and germany insist on using a collective security body to pursue nationalist enrichment policies.

Really. They've got a lot to learn if they want ot beat the pros.

 

[TastesLikeChicken]

Originally posted by: lozina
So you're suggesting the Americans and the Brittish names (note: plural) have no effect on American foreign policy? What makes you think the European names on the list have any effect of their country's foreign policy?

Yes and No. What I'm saying is that:

1) The "Americans" were Arabs and not politically connected. I'm not even sure if they were Americans or merely forieigners living in the US.

2) The British names on the list that did influence politics were against the war in the first place. Of course they (surely the one in Parliament) had influence on foreign policy.

What conclusions were you drawing from the names of Americans and Brits on the list?

 

[AEB]

I say they are influincing american foreign policy because kerry is saying bush should have gotten their help and americans think kerry can do that, however because of scandals like this they wouldnt have helped either way even if they KNEW saddam had lets say nukes. the money was that important to them

 

[Genx87]

Also, what makes you think that the names on that list from some of the European countries have any influence on their countries foreign policy

Well the early lists of individuals who were benefactors went high into the French and Russian govts. I believe one of the benefactors is actually in Chiracs cabinet.

 

[sandorski]

Originally posted by: smashp

Originally posted by: CycloWizard

Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Maybe they realized that it would make a bad situatiuon worse which seems to be the case.

Maybe if they had helped the situation wouldn't be as bad.

Maybe if we would have let the inspecters finish the Job and Werent Running around saying well invade reguardless what the UN says and the inspectors find we might have Got more invlolved and the situation wouldn't be as bad.

But Were the ones with the uncontrollable raging Hard-on so now we have to Take Care of the Baby.

Yup, Personal Responsibility. Sociey(the UN) tried to prevent a mistake(Iraq War) by clarifying the situation(did Iraq have WMD that possibly could be given to Terrorists). The US(an individual within Society) had no desire to listen to Society, created a mess, and now wants to blame Society for the mess the Individual created. It's time for the Individual to come Clean and admit its' mistake.

 

[cmdavid]

man do i hope this brings down the UN or at least calls for an entire reorganization...

 

[lozina]

Originally posted by: Genx87

Also, what makes you think that the names on that list from some of the European countries have any influence on their countries foreign policy

Well the early lists of individuals who were benefactors went high into the French and Russian govts. I believe one of the benefactors is actually in Chiracs cabinet.

As for some of the French names on the list I did not see anyone who was active in government during that time, only 'former' members of some government positions for a few of the nnames. With that point they should have as much ties to the French government as you would say Cheney currently has to Halliburton.

Moreover, there still lies the biggest hurdle towards a guilty conviction on the theory shared here by AEB and others of validating the list itself and determining whether any of these people actually influenced their country's foreign policy.

Until then, talk of what may have happened is pure speculation mixed with wild conspiracy theory.

 

[zzzz]

well " you are either for us or against us" didnt help.

 

[ntdz]

Originally posted by: Stunt

Maybe if they had helped the situation wouldn't be as bad.

You see, you guys fvcked up...so you have to fix it.
When you go to war unilaterally, that is exactly what you get...

Are you surprised by this?...hehe

next time you need help, how would u like the united states to say the same thing to you?