Quote Corn: "Was it their foriegn policy? Obviously they deserved it as these kinds of things don't "just happen"."
That's why. Did the USA "deserve" the 9/11?
Quote Corn: "Was it their foriegn policy? Obviously they deserved it as these kinds of things don't "just happen"."
That's why. Did the USA "deserve" the 9/11?
Had you read the thread, that statement had already been shown to be sarcasm. Granted, I didn't exactly realize that either at first
If I remember correctly, only 4% of tourist in Bali are from America. The majority come from Australia.
You see, Australia originated from England. And England is the source and start of America, therefore Australia is evil.
Originally posted by: Corn
Cyberian gets a gold star.
ndee apparently tripped over his own stupidity and stumbled upon the intent of this thread purely by accident, and yet he still doesn't get it.
I read your first post, and the one about me, why you did deserve the a$$ kicking. I also waited for the "
)Once you begin to see that it's people's inability to look at their hidden feelings of inferiority that is responsible for both blame and defensiveness in the face of blame, you begin to see the universality of application this tool of understanding has for unlocking so many of the mysteries of human behavior. Blame always appears to have a punitive or put down aspect to it. We don't want to accept blame for things because of the negative consequences, putdown or punishment. The fear of these consequences is enormous, powerful enough to produce identities of denial, false selves. But the false self is a schizophrenic fragment of our total identity, the happy face we put on rage. The person who feels put down, all of us, is looking for the opportunity to share the putdowns by putting down somebody else himself, to find self justification and revenge, to pay back, to cooperate in the sheep-fold fiction of a shared communal doctrine of consensual conformity.
You find this particularly among people tightly wrapped in moral bindings based of an externalized source of fear like religions that use the devil to keep people in line. Their traumatic fear of the devil causes them to see him everywhere. They have a powerful need to blame all aspects of life they attribute to his doing.
So we have the blamers, the ones that want you to blame yourself for every thing that's wrong. They call it taking responsibility for yourself, but they never take responsibility for the unrecognized insanity that drives them. No way. They are trying to separate themselves from blame by drawing the distinction between themselves and others precisely by blaming them. And so it goes.
So we have a world full of people with their fingers out pointing at each other. It's your fault, no it's your fault, no it's your fault. You're on my side right. How about you? You're on my side right? You're either with us or against us. Completely insane.
So we can see now that blame and the avoidance of blame are one and the same thing, the inward hidden feeling of guilt. It is an inescapable condition. There is no cure. Right. Well there won't be until the time comes when people begin to consider the possibility that criticism can be more than an attempt to blame.
In order to solve a problem you first have to be able to admit you have one. If you are too self important to admit to one, or the object of criticism is too sacred to your false identity to allow you to admit to criticism than you are frozen forever with your faults. This is so easy to see with people you can see through, like alcoholics and drug addicts that have millions of ways to deflect their problem, but so difficult to see when it applies to the self. It's all known in the Bible, the log in your eye and the beam in the neighbors or how ever it goes.
The question is, 'Is there something about American foreign policy that caused 9/11 and if so what?'. Is it something good that we need to keep going with regardless or do we need to change. There is no blame here, only honest self analysis. The knee jerk assumption that it is impossible to have fault and that self reflection is the same as being a traitor is easy to understand when you begin to see that those who make that claim are already traitors to themselves.
You find this particularly among people tightly wrapped in moral bindings based of an externalized source of fear like religions that use the devil to keep people in line. Their traumatic fear of the devil causes them to see him everywhere. They have a powerful need to blame all aspects of life they attribute to his doing.
So we have the blamers, the ones that want you to blame yourself for every thing that's wrong. They call it taking responsibility for yourself, but they never take responsibility for the unrecognized insanity that drives them. No way. They are trying to separate themselves from blame by drawing the distinction between themselves and others precisely by blaming them. And so it goes.
So we have a world full of people with their fingers out pointing at each other. It's your fault, no it's your fault, no it's your fault. You're on my side right. How about you? You're on my side right? You're either with us or against us. Completely insane.
So we can see now that blame and the avoidance of blame are one and the same thing, the inward hidden feeling of guilt. It is an inescapable condition. There is no cure. Right. Well there won't be until the time comes when people begin to consider the possibility that criticism can be more than an attempt to blame.
In order to solve a problem you first have to be able to admit you have one. If you are too self important to admit to one, or the object of criticism is too sacred to your false identity to allow you to admit to criticism than you are frozen forever with your faults. This is so easy to see with people you can see through, like alcoholics and drug addicts that have millions of ways to deflect their problem, but so difficult to see when it applies to the self. It's all known in the Bible, the log in your eye and the beam in the neighbors or how ever it goes.
The question is, 'Is there something about American foreign policy that caused 9/11 and if so what?'. Is it something good that we need to keep going with regardless or do we need to change. There is no blame here, only honest self analysis. The knee jerk assumption that it is impossible to have fault and that self reflection is the same as being a traitor is easy to understand when you begin to see that those who make that claim are already traitors to themselves.
taiwanese newspaper suggests that usa knew ahead of time of attack but ADVISED TAIWAN NOT TO DISCLOSE INFORMATION....
http://www.etaiwannews.com/Taiwan/2002/10/15/1034643430.htm
taiwan
Opposition slams foreign ministry for slow reaction
2002-10-15 / Taiwan News, Staff Reporter / By Jessie Ho
Two opposition parties yesterday expressed dissatisfaction at the Ministry of Foreign Affairs' reaction to the bomb attack on the Indonesian resort island of Bali, and they urged the government to take immediate responsive measures.
Despite the fact that the bombing in Bali caused many deaths and injuries, the Ministry of Foreign Affairs did not move immediately to list Indonesia as a highly dangerous area or restrict travel to that country, but only issued a safety warning to travelers from Taiwan.
Kuomintang legislative leader Lee Chuan-chiao (燠�諒 pointed out that the incident had exposed the DPP government's poor crisis management skills, particularly in view of the Executive Yuan's claim that it had, last Friday, obtained intelligence on a possible terrorist attack in a southeast Asian Muslim country.
According to Lee, the worst part is that the government did not issue a warning because the United States government asked it not to disclose the information.
"The KMT's priority is the safety of our people - not America's national interests." He also called on the government to establish an anti-terrorism crisis management team.
Meanwhile, People First Party legislative leader Shen Chih-hwei (朻秷雌 asked the government to assist in the return of Taiwan nationals currently in Indonesia. She said she would like to commend Premier Yu Shyi-kun (蚔屧� for obtaining advance information on the terrorist attack, but on the other hand would like to condemn him for not warning the Taiwanese people to stay away from danger
http://www.etaiwannews.com/Taiwan/2002/10/15/1034643430.htm
taiwan
Opposition slams foreign ministry for slow reaction
2002-10-15 / Taiwan News, Staff Reporter / By Jessie Ho
Two opposition parties yesterday expressed dissatisfaction at the Ministry of Foreign Affairs' reaction to the bomb attack on the Indonesian resort island of Bali, and they urged the government to take immediate responsive measures.
Despite the fact that the bombing in Bali caused many deaths and injuries, the Ministry of Foreign Affairs did not move immediately to list Indonesia as a highly dangerous area or restrict travel to that country, but only issued a safety warning to travelers from Taiwan.
Kuomintang legislative leader Lee Chuan-chiao (燠�諒
pointed out that the incident had exposed the DPP government's poor crisis management skills, particularly in view of the Executive Yuan's claim that it had, last Friday, obtained intelligence on a possible terrorist attack in a southeast Asian Muslim country.According to Lee, the worst part is that the government did not issue a warning because the United States government asked it not to disclose the information.
"The KMT's priority is the safety of our people - not America's national interests." He also called on the government to establish an anti-terrorism crisis management team.
Meanwhile, People First Party legislative leader Shen Chih-hwei (朻秷雌
asked the government to assist in the return of Taiwan nationals currently in Indonesia. She said she would like to commend Premier Yu Shyi-kun (蚔屧� for obtaining advance information on the terrorist attack, but on the other hand would like to condemn him for not warning the Taiwanese people to stay away from dangerI heard that many of the 9/11 terrorists frequented the strip clubs, drank, etc... while in the States. I don't consider these terrorists Muslim at all....they're just using religion to cause harm and suffering.
BBC News
"one possible explanation for the bombing comes from a Saudi source who prefers not to be named.
He told the BBC that many Indonesians blamed Australian troops for the loss of their former territory, East Timor.
He said these were Indonesian nationalists bent on revenge, and that the resort of Bali would be an obvious soft target, causing high casualties amongst Australians"
"one possible explanation for the bombing comes from a Saudi source who prefers not to be named.
He told the BBC that many Indonesians blamed Australian troops for the loss of their former territory, East Timor.
He said these were Indonesian nationalists bent on revenge, and that the resort of Bali would be an obvious soft target, causing high casualties amongst Australians"
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