He answered it correctly. Zeus is God, but the Greeks have different "punishments" and rewards for believing. What the audience member was getting at was, if Atheism is wrong, then the punshment is hell. So she is basically saying, if Atheism is wrong then by default Christianity is right and the punishment for not believing is hell. She doesn't take into consideration if Atheism is wrong AND Christianity is wrong, BOTH beliefs will be punished. So there is really no point to the question.
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Perhaps that occurred before the video began, but I missed the part where the questioner specifically referred to Christianity, so I don't see where you're getting with that. There was still heaven and hell in ancient Greece (who were BTW the first converts to Christianity) and the rules were quite similar. Not that that matters, as you still miss the same point I told you about a hundred times before. I think it's the broken record of "Us vs. Them" thinking that traps you.
I wouldn't care if they stuck to their own and did their own little silly thing to themselves, but when you have tards bombing clubs in Bali, or dïckheads saying god told them to invade iraq, then it's pretty serious stuff. Plus, it's quite sick to mentally abuse children from birth, and feel that the public should do something against this disgusting behaviour.
Nothing stirs more anger within me than religious people spreading their lies and crap stories.
Vic's assumption was that as long as you believed in any god "Zeus/Woden/Etc", whichever god ended up being at the end of the tunnel would be happy with you and reward you. But that is just that, another assumption, his own set of beliefs, no more right or wrong than any other. And infact, it flies against the texts of most religious works. (Such as how the bible says worship none other than me)
the other issue is the little matter of self-respect. No-one who truly respects themselves, imo, could worship the christian god (perhaps one of the most mean-sprited, narcissistic, murderous, contrary gods we have ever invented - it's all there in the bible, I suggest christians go read it some time - and not just select passages, read the entire thing in all it's barbaric, sociopathic glory).
assuming the christian god is a real god, I will take an eternity burning in hell over kissing god's ass.
assuming the christian god is a real god, I will take an eternity burning in hell over kissing god's ass.
I've read the Bible and continue to read it. If you can point out a specific passage (any will do) that would be helpful. People can claim God to be those attributes only when they take text out of context. Anything can be made to seem evil if you just take what they say out of context.
I can't say 100% positive that the audience member was Christian, but let me put it this way, I'd bet $100 she was? Why? Because that is a typical question they ask? How do I know? Because they ask ME that same moronic question countless times.
"No, he dodged it entirely and ignorantly. Zeus is God. Woden is God. Allah is God. Brahman is God. Those are all just different ways of saying the same thing in different languages."
You need to explain this better. Because it makes it sound like you are grouping all gods as one being, which IS a belief some people have, usually agnostics, but it is completely WRONG belief as far as any specific religion is concerned and you would go to hell all the same. Perhaps I am misreading what you are saying, I don't know.
Also, by capitalizing "God" you realize you are using the specific christian god? Did you catch that yet?
And if you are trying to define what "god" is, then you realize there were religions that believe in gods of random objects, like the god of trees etc. So by that religion "tree" is "god". Which begs the question, if you are trying to categorize which words can be used as god, where the freaking hell is the guideline?
Ok, so the assumption is that the women could have been an agnostic in the audience asking the question? And based on that, the question would have been what if god is just any being and you are completely against it? If a god existed and it doesn't end up being one of the ones we worship, then I don't think it will even matter what you said on earth, whether you said you do or don't believe. He probably wouldn't even get punished.
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Capitalizing God does make it a specific reference to the Christian god. According to Dictionary.com, the capitalized form of the word refers to "1. the one Supreme Being, the creator and ruler of the universe," while lowercase is "3. (lowercase) one of several deities, esp. a male deity, presiding over some portion of worldly affairs."
Otherwise, you're not misreading, you simply don't know anything about religion (or linguistics, apparently). "A rose by any other name would smell just as sweet."
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You really think you're different than the evangelicals? The very fact that you feel compelled to answer the question "What if you're wrong?" says that you're not. And let's not get started on loic2003's comments -- switch around a few of his words to reverse the point-of-view, keep the same emotions, and he'd sound exactly like a fundie.
:music: Onward Atheist Soldiers! :music:
My argument does require an assumption, but it is definitely not far fetched. She didn't correct him when he said she was of the Christian faith. Would it have made you feel better if Dawkins asked her what her belief was first THEN light into her with the same argument he made?
The PROPER thing to do is not to ask questions if you aren't ready for the answer. She asked the same moronic question (with a cocky tone to her voice I might add) I've heard SEVERAL times, like it was really going to stump him. You want to talk about assumptions? The question was designed for only two answers, you're right or I'm right. That's it. Talk about assumptions.
It is a very, very accurate statement. Look at the reverance and cries to "follow his teachings!"
It's the athiest religion's messiah.
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