I will upgrade when a hard drive is as fast as RAM.

[Capt Caveman]

He reposted himself - http://forums.anandtech.com/showthread.php?t=2100321

 

[tweakboy]

Ya sorry you caught me postmortem... I said it wrong, of course I mean 400mb/s . thanks and gl

 

[Blain]

All your tech prognosticating and $2.65 will buy you a gallon of gas.

 

[GlacierFreeze]

ughhh

tweakboy posts are painful.

 

[Idontcare]

There was some talk of RAM that was persistant, so that it could store data when the power was off. Throw in gobs of that stuff, and you would be set. Does anyone remember the name of that stuff? F-RAM or M-RAM or something?

Yes, and yes. There is also P-RAM. And of course FLASH.

Do you mean persistent DDR or something? Because "RAM" itself only means random access memory, i.e. access of a random address has to be a constant, therefore every USB stick is also some kind of RAM.

The only thing that comes to my mind you probably meant would be FRAM (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ferroelectric_RAM). The main reason why it isn't more widespread seems to be cost - but since you wouldn't have to recharge it, it could become interesting for smartphones or notebooks where low power is important?

Yeah I actually worked on fram at TI. It was desired for the power-saving as well as die-saving aspects. An fram cell is some 1/6 the size of a comparable sram cell, so when you start talking about how to make super cheap chips to power a billion $5 cellphones the prospects of fram in place of sram gets intriguing.

OK:

Ah good old iram, had two of these in raid-0 for a couple of years. The IOPs were great, exact benefits of an SSD. That 8GB iram array cost me about $1k. Quite a bit of a price premium compared to today's flash-based SSD.

 

[jvroig]

This SSD stuff and RAID and what not is no good. Bottom line your system is still working off a HD be it SSD or HD.

The day hard drive is as fast as RAM and this bottleneck gets solved is when I upgrade. Be it 2020 lol,

I mean big deal 150mbps or 250mbps anyone upgrading to a SSD of course get fast speeds but Im talking the kind where you dont have to wait even a split second cuz the hard drive is as fast as your RAM. This will be the day bottleneck doesn't exist anymore IMO. Thank you and may this oil war end and bring all our troops home.

:thumbsup:

(You should run for President of the USA. Or President of AnandTech. Voters love a cool story, and you are a fountain of eternal cool stories - "the gift that keeps on giving" as far as cool stories are concerned)

 

[jvroig]

Yes, and yes. There is also P-RAM. And of course FLASH.

I thought of memristor stuff. Are these anywhere near being a reality? Any memristor projects in TI?

 

[Ben90]

It's against forum rules to make fun of him due to his metal health issues. Just a word of advice.

I have mental problems.

Sweet now I can make nef threads and thread crap all over the place wooo! thanks fellas

 

[chedrz]

Thanks chedrz my brother.

Dude...it wasn't a compliment. :\

 

[jvroig]

Dude...it wasn't a compliment.

Pfft, stop trying to deny it. He already outed you as his brother, can't fool us. So, how's it like living in the same house with your brother the Tweakster?

 

[Zargon]

rofl

 

[tweakboy]

Good response Cursethesky,, very nice,, good guy you are...

Ya I see,,, maybe in 2010 but not any year soon....

 

[Idontcare]

I thought of memristor stuff. Are these anywhere near being a reality? Any memristor projects in TI?

nope, thats all HP at this point

these alternative non-volatile memories are all in the same sort of situation, they are solutions looking for problems

they get get developed because of the perception of the inevitability of existing technology running into insurmountable problems with scaling

flash was supposed to not be scalable below 180nm, all the device physics at the time pointed to the technology not functioning electrically if you shrank the charge cell to those dimensions.

well guess how that story went!

so we get all these fram, mram, pram variants developed as people scramble to have a plan B out of fear, uncertainty, and doubt about the scalability of existing technology. No harm in it, keeps a lot of academics engaged and doesn't really cost all that much to do the preliminary prototyping development.

 

[chedrz]

Pfft, stop trying to deny it. He already outed you as his brother, can't fool us. So, how's it like living in the same house with your brother the Tweakster?

AW YEAH my AMD 5000+BE is the best CPU EVAR!!!! My ATI 4670 runs almost as fast as Tweak's 8800GT!!!! I'm not upgrading my video card until they can project images IN MY BRAIN!!!!!!! :awe::awe::awe:

 

[tweakboy]

Thanks Soundmanred you rock!

 

[billyb0b]

i'm pretty happy with the corsair force 60gb i just put in.... speedy

 

[evilspoons]

Acknowledging the fact that most of this thread is retarded, I'd like to mention that you're shooting at a moving target.

By the time an SSD is as fast as RAM is today... RAM will be much faster.

Most SSDs on the market are already as fast as FPM DRAM from my old 486. Wikipedia quotes FPM at 0.176 GB/second, which is 180 MB/second. Hmm.

 

[FishAk]

Are you trolling?

Why bring up an old thread if you're only going to criticize, and not add anything new?

 

[evilspoons]

Are you trolling?

Why bring up an old thread if you're only going to criticize, and not add anything new?

Me? No - I didn't think it was that old, and I thought I was adding something new - I apologize, I didn't notice someone had made my point in the third post. I still don't think anyone mentioned how slow RAM was in the past anyway. *shrug*.