I will protest in silence

[JBuzzman69]

I have been a member for awhile now.Never had a complaint about anything I posted,until now.I do not believe my thread should have been locked or that the attached messages were needed.As the rules state,a pm would have been enough.But do as I say, not as I do applies here.

With that being said,I will not post here any more.I will not be part too hipocrites.If my post is not removed,I will edit it myself.The traders have been great,it is just the anonymous ones I worry about.Good day.

 

[olds]

Buh, bye.
I do agree that it shouldn't have been locked. I have seen others respond to questions time and time again. I reply via PM if my 4 hours are not up. When I asked a Mod about the issue, he/she seemed to think it was OK to reply in the post before the time was up.

 

[Ryan]

<---Waves Goodbye - "Adios, Vaya Con Dios, Good luck, Wishy'well!"

 

[Aves]

Link to thread for those that are curious.

 

[compudog]

It wasn't a bump, but JBuzzman69's response to the Moderator's edit was out of line.

 

[MDE]

I would have done the same thing JBuzzman69 did, the Mod must have been really cranky then.

 

[Hossenfeffer]

Yes, the mod initially jumped the gun. Technically doable since you did "bump" your thread, but personally I'd wait until it had happened a time or two before I even considered a lock down. Much easier to just send a PM to you saying "lay off the self-bumpage, eh?" Likely the mod in question realizes this and may consider the case in the future when policing the FS/FT board. People make mistakes. That's ok.

That being said, taking it like you did and responding the way you did was, how shall I say... "less than choice". By putting up a stink on so minor an issue, you validated the mod's initial response. Seriously, for the most part we the users have next to zero power around here. It makes zero sense to try and throw your weight around. Your thread's locked? Zap of a PM to get clarification and see how you can keep things on the up and up.

"I will protest in silence" = You're not going to get what you want. You're not going to get the result you want. You want vindication, you want validation, but what you need is to just let bygones be bygones and get over it. You can easily repost the thread and start again. It's a damned online forum with thousands and thousands of members.

With that being said,I will not post here any more.I will not be part too hipocrites.If my post is not removed,I will edit it myself.The traders have been great,it is just the anonymous ones I worry about.Good day

Holy drama queen, batman Dear lord man, lighten up. I'll say again. It's an online forum.... In the grand scheme of things it just doesn't matter.

I say erase this thread, forget it ever happened and just get back to the trading you wanted to do. No one will think the less of you, we'll all hug and go our separate ways. There are no points to be had, face to be saved and no one is going to give you martyrdom credit by stepping up to say you're not going to say anything (Huh?! )

 

[imported_Mike]

Since when did replying to a question count as a bump? That is retarded that the MOD pointed it out, though replying to a mod by replying to your thread....I can see lockage.

This quote is rather funny IMO;

The rules are the same for everyone, not just a special set for you

You'd think that if that was the Mod's motive there would be a lot more threads locked as almost everyone I know replies to a question in the thread...or at least they used to.

When did this change?

 

[Hossenfeffer]

Actually, I don't think it's too much of a stretch to count a response to a question as a bump, seeing as how your thread will indeed get "bumped" up to the top. I can think of a few threads that got locked in past years for exactly this sort of behavior. As a workaround, you can easily edit a previous post and indicate that you're answering a post below. Anal? Sure, a bit, but it's doable.

The motivation behind these rules is simply to be fair to everyone wanting to use the FS/FT forum. The more people that keep their threads up top, the fewer threads get that "front page" visibility.

On a side note: having full-text search back is a huge boon to the FS/FT forum. It's the thing I've missed most since the day I refused to renew my sub

 

[Jzero]

Originally posted by: Hossenfeffer
Actually, I don't think it's too much of a stretch to count a response to a question as a bump, seeing as how your thread will indeed get "bumped" up to the top. I can think of a few threads that got locked in past years for exactly this sort of behavior. As a workaround, you can easily edit a previous post and indicate that you're answering a post below. Anal? Sure, a bit, but it's doable.

The motivation behind these rules is simply to be fair to everyone wanting to use the FS/FT forum. The more people that keep their threads up top, the fewer threads get that "front page" visibility.

On a side note: having full-text search back is a huge boon to the FS/FT forum. It's the thing I've missed most since the day I refused to renew my sub

It would be entirely too easy for someone to use a schill account to ask themselves questions to give themselves an excuse to bump themselves.

 

[Codewiz]

Originally posted by: Jzero

Originally posted by: Hossenfeffer
Actually, I don't think it's too much of a stretch to count a response to a question as a bump, seeing as how your thread will indeed get "bumped" up to the top. I can think of a few threads that got locked in past years for exactly this sort of behavior. As a workaround, you can easily edit a previous post and indicate that you're answering a post below. Anal? Sure, a bit, but it's doable.

The motivation behind these rules is simply to be fair to everyone wanting to use the FS/FT forum. The more people that keep their threads up top, the fewer threads get that "front page" visibility.

On a side note: having full-text search back is a huge boon to the FS/FT forum. It's the thing I've missed most since the day I refused to renew my sub

It would be entirely too easy for someone to use a schill account to ask themselves questions to give themselves an excuse to bump themselves.

If a mod suspected that then all the mod has to do is check ip addresses. If the ip addresses are similar then that could be the case. Yeah there are anonymous proxies and such but come on. Who would go through that trouble just to do a bump.

 

[Yossarian]

I dunno, if someone has a question you probably should have included the info in your first post to start with, so that's where it should go.

 

[Buz2b]

Well, if nothing else, this has been educational. I have had FS/FT threads before and have done the same has he did; replied to a question with an additional post. I don't remember all the details but I know I did it and no one said squat to me. I guess I should consider myself lucky but in all honesty I thought that was something that was legit. Guess I know better now. Also shows that the mods can't read every single post in every single thread.
In this case though, I think as others have said, that JBuzzman69 created his own problem by the smart a-- remark back at the mod. If he'd of just shut up or PM'd the mod for clarification, all would be well.

 

[Jeff7]

I think he was in fact just replying to the original question, and adding useful info that anyone could have used. Granted, this can be abused, but i don't think that was occurring there, especially as the question was asked less than a half hour after the original post was made. And the response to the question came only 26 minutes later. It wouldn't have been too awful far down the page by then anyway.
I guess it's a delicate balance between the number of members and the number of posts allowed.
Or maybe the Nice Mod or Watchful Mod were on break, and left the Mean Mod in charge for awhile.

 

[nork]

There must be thousands of threads in here where the person answered a question from another member and no mod remarks.
In fact, and not picking on her, but someone by the name of "Jen" goes around giving "hugs" all the time and i have never seen a mod take exception to that.
I believe the rules should be the same for all and i think buzzman got the short end of the stick. I can see why he got angry about it.
And, yes, looking at the time, the thread was on the first page to begin with, all it did was move it back up a bit.
So i believe the mod was a bit heavy handed there and angered buzzman, after all the mod could have just pm'd him.
Question answering. this and that, hellos, and a ton of other posts are made all the time with nothing said about it!

 

[Hossenfeffer]

Originally posted by: nork
There must be thousands of threads in here where the person answered a question from another member and no mod remarks.
In fact, and not picking on her, but someone by the name of "Jen" goes around giving "hugs" all the time and i have never seen a mod take exception to that.
I believe the rules should be the same for all and i think buzzman got the short end of the stick. I can see why he got angry about it.
And, yes, looking at the time, the thread was on the first page to begin with, all it did was move it back up a bit.
So i believe the mod was a bit heavy handed there and angered buzzman, after all the mod could have just pm'd him.
Question answering. this and that, hellos, and a ton of other posts are made all the time with nothing said about it!

The rules are generally the same for everyone (or I'm assuming too much) but it's impossible to have a truly objective system given the subjective nature of the medium. You've got hundreds, thousands of threads/posts and a limited number of volunteer moderators, who are each doing their best to adhere to the guidelines given them and with a limited amount of time. You're going to have some errors in judgment and this was one. That Buzz chose to go all drama queen on us is another issue

 

[nork]

that is your opinion, but others may differ, i know i do. I would have felt the same way as buzz. Mod didnt give much of an explanation either so again, i dont blame him. Basically its a form of thread-crapping. Look, the mod could have pm'd him about it for one thing.
I feel that mods should have their own names as per other fora.

 

[Hossenfeffer]

Originally posted by: nork
that is your opinion, but others may differ, i know i do. I would have felt the same way as buzz. Mod didnt give much of an explanation either so again, i dont blame him. Basically its a form of thread-crapping. Look, the mod could have pm'd him about it for one thing.
I feel that mods should have their own names as per other fora.

Look, I don't blame buzz for getting miffed. I'd be the same way. The thing is, I wouldn't beef up the drama. I would PM a mod and ask for clarification. Frankly, his response doesn't warrant stellar treatment. All you need to do is take a step back and realize that there are real people behind the scenes, and real people make real mistakes. What's not being said (or realized) is how smoothly things -usually- run. Having a locked thread isn't the end of the world, neither is it a final matter (threads can be unlocked if and when a mods realize they may have been a bit quick on the trigger).

As far naming the mods goes, I don't see a problem with the anonymity. Likewise, I don't see the value in "outting" the existing mods other than making it easier to contact someone directly about a given issue. As convenient as that may be, you're still working with volunteers. It's not fair to them to require 100% "gameface".

Also, not sure what you were referring to in regards to opinions. If it was in regards to "You're going to have some errors in judgment and this was one", I was talking about the mod in question's decision to immediately comment on the self-bumpin and lockdown. Personally, I feel it was a bit excessive and, I imagine, I appear to be in agreement with you, rather than differing.

 

[Jzero]

Originally posted by: Hossenfeffer
As far naming the mods goes, I don't see a problem with the anonymity. Likewise, I don't see the value in "outting" the existing mods other than making it easier to contact someone directly about a given issue. As convenient as that may be, you're still working with volunteers. It's not fair to them to require 100% "gameface".

Lack of accountability is a big problem with the mods. Nobody knows who did what, so it's impossible to spot patterns of misbehavior.

I agree that a mod shouldn't have to sacrifice is forum persona for the job. Therefore I restate my age-old proposal that the mods have "badge numbers" where they still are isolated from their real accounts, but it is at least possible to say "I don't think that moderator #23 handled this situation appropriately" and complain about it either here or to him directly in PM.