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I was just thinking...

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darkxshade said:
Then you would have to do 6 card straight, 7 card straight, 6 card flush, 7 card flush, house with an extra pair. How do you work out the odds on all of that and keep tabs on what's what?
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You don't have to do anything. The point is, in many variations you have 7 cards to work with, not 5, and the only limit right now is because there are no hands that use more than 5 cards. By adding one possible 6 card hand doesn't mean you have to add everything else, that is just stupid reasoning.
 
Malak said:
You don't have to do anything. The point is, in many variations you have 7 cards to work with, not 5, and the only limit right now is because there are no hands that use more than 5 cards. By adding one possible 6 card hand doesn't mean you have to add everything else, that is just stupid reasoning.
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Then the question becomes, what's so special about a 3 pair that it can be added but not a 6 card straight?

Your idea is that there are 7 cards to work with. Why can't I make a 6 or 7 card straight. If I had a 7 card flush and it doesn't play but someone with 3 pair does, how does that become fair? Since money is on the line that is.
 
jonks said:
yeah, but that's only in normal boring poker. In 6 card poker you add in 2 additional suits, horseshoes and balloons.
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OK, now this new 6 card hand game is getting interesting.

I would like to see: If you fail to pair you must take 1 shot of 80+ proof alcohol.
 
darkxshade said:
Then the question becomes, what's so special about a 3 pair that it can be added but not a 6 card straight?

Your idea is that there are 7 cards to work with. Why can't I make a 6 or 7 card straight. If I had a 7 card flush and it doesn't play but someone with 3 pair does, how does that become fair? Since money is on the line that is.
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Because the way flushes work has nothing to do with how many cards are in it, but rather what the highest card is. That's why it can be modified to fit variations with smaller hands, like 3 card poker. Straights are same deal, highest card wins.

And as I said, I have been in a casino that already does 3 pair hands. It just isn't widespread, and that's my initial question. Why not? So far nobody has a reasonable suggestion as to why.
 
Malak said:
Because the way flushes work has nothing to do with how many cards are in it, but rather what the highest card is. That's why it can be modified to fit variations with smaller hands, like 3 card poker. Straights are same deal, highest card wins.

And as I said, I have been in a casino that already does 3 pair hands. It just isn't widespread, and that's my initial question. Why not? So far nobody has a reasonable suggestion as to why.
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Maybe I just don't get your reasoning either, is it because pairs have to work in sets of 2's is why pairs should be fair game but not cards that work individually and add to the overall set of cards? What about 2 triples(888JJJ)?

The reasonable explanation as to why it isn't widespread is exactly how many have already said here, there's too much headache involved with adding a new set into it all. Everyone knows high card < 1 pair < 2 pair < triple < straight... Not everyone knows where 3 pairs would fall into that so it would be a pain for a dealer to explain to a player everytime they had 3 pairs why they won and by what margin.
 
Malak said:
Because the way flushes work has nothing to do with how many cards are in it, but rather what the highest card is. That's why it can be modified to fit variations with smaller hands, like 3 card poker. Straights are same deal, highest card wins.
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A flush has everything to do with how many cards are in it. There has to be 5. The value of the flush is based on the highest card, but a 6 card flush would be more rare than a 5 card flush and thus worth more. Same with a 6 card straight.


stop thinking. when you think, people die.
 
Malak said:
Because the way flushes work has nothing to do with how many cards are in it, but rather what the highest card is. That's why it can be modified to fit variations with smaller hands, like 3 card poker. Straights are same deal, highest card wins.

And as I said, I have been in a casino that already does 3 pair hands. It just isn't widespread, and that's my initial question. Why not? So far nobody has a reasonable suggestion as to why.
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Yes they have. You're limited to 5 cards. If you want to do poker with 6-card hands, invent a new game. Call it 6-card-hand poker or something. The odds are different, the potential hands are different, the highest hand would be a 9-10-J-Q-K-A of the same suit, etc. Poker may involve any number of cards but the one thing all poker games have in common is they all use the same 5-card hands. You might have shared/community cards, extra cards, extra hands, but they are always 5-card hands.

There is no difference between three pairs and, say, two triplets. Or an "extra full house" of quads + a pair.

You are the one who wants to add an extra allowed hand to the pool of possible hands. Justify why three pair gets precedent over a 6-card straight or flush, or two triplets, or 4 + 2.
 
GundamW said:
What about a 7-card straight? "Supreme Royal Flush Extreme"?
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I shall beat you with my Super Saiyan Goku Card!

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I was just thinking... why isn't 22 an actual win in black jack(double aces). We can call it extra black jack where the payoff is an automatic win with an x2 payoff. 23 is bust of course.
 
darkxshade said:
I was just thinking... why isn't 22 an actual win in black jack(double aces). We can call it extra black jack where the payoff is an automatic win with an x2 payoff. 23 is bust of course.
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While we're at it, why not make it so that 2 + 2 = 22 = automatic win as well?
 
Sounds like you need to make your own poker game OP. Figure out the odds to rank hands accordingly and you're good to go.
 
darkxshade said:
The reasonable explanation as to why it isn't widespread is exactly how many have already said here, there's too much headache involved with adding a new set into it all.
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The headache is entirely on your end, everyone keeps talking about other hands and it seems most people here don't really understand how poker works.
 
Malak said:
The headache is entirely on your end, everyone keeps talking about other hands and it seems most people here don't really understand how poker works.
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You're the one who thinks an extra hand with 6 cards should be added to the game for no reason other than "sometimes you get three pairs."

Sometimes you get all reds or all blacks too. Those aren't hands. Just because you can change a game, doesn't mean you should.
 
darkxshade said:
I was just thinking... why isn't 22 an actual win in black jack(double aces). We can call it extra black jack where the payoff is an automatic win with an x2 payoff. 23 is bust of course.
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Because if you add 4 more combinations of automatic wins then you fuck up the house advantage, which is actually already kind of low compared to things like roulette and slots. That's why they have side or "sucker" bets like insurance to tilt the odds a little ways back in their favor.
 
AstroManLuca said:
You're the one who thinks an extra hand with 6 cards should be added to the game for no reason other than "sometimes you get three pairs."

Sometimes you get all reds or all blacks too. Those aren't hands. Just because you can change a game, doesn't mean you should.
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That's not it at all. As I've said already, it is already being used in some casinos. But obviously everyone wants to throw drama and foolishness into this without actually considering the reason why this question keeps coming up in the poker world.
 
Malak said:
The headache is entirely on your end, everyone keeps talking about other hands and it seems most people here don't really understand how poker works.
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Walk up to a random person and ask him where a 3 pair falls between with regards to odds compared to the commonly set of 5 card sets? Is it better than a full house? 4 of a kind? See how many people know the answer to that.
 
darkxshade said:
Walk up to a random person and ask him where a 3 pair falls between with regards to odds compared to the commonly set of 5 card sets? Is it better than a full house? 4 of a kind? See how many people know the answer to that.
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The casino set it between 2 pair and 3 of a kind.
 
I was just thinking [I believe it's unnecessary to create a new thread to indulge in the parody inherent in this one] if you are playing go fish you should really have to go catch a fish if you guess wrong. Because drawing another card really isn't much of a penalty.
 
Malak said:
The casino set it between 2 pair and 3 of a kind.
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That's the point, the casino has to tell you where it is. Which is why it isn't used. You wanted a reasonable answer and that's just thes simple gist of it. Everyone knows the progression by heart, why throw in something extra that confuses them? Did the casino put this on a sign, is the sign accessible, does a random person walking to the table know there's a 3 pair rule, will they know to read the sign if they don't? Will the casino refund you if they had a 3 pair and didn't play it because they didn't read the sign and they didn't read the sign because they knew the progression but did not know a 6 card set was included in what was assumed a 5 card limit?
 
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