Its a reasonable question. Bush and Reagan both had a huge hand in our current deficit.
Funny that they reached a breaking point when we have a Democrat in office and the money is largely being spent on non-military domestic issues. Something tells me that if McCain won and we had invaded Iran, these voices would be championing the spending.
This group is going to have a hard sell. Its composed largely of the 20% who think Bush was a great president.
I write my congress person at least twice a month demanding UHC. I donate to progressive causes.
more disturbed by the fact that people small minded like youself are allowed to share their piddly opinions on what others do with their time and or what politicial stance they take.
People will disagree with you, it is a fact, get over it.
Palin, the intellectual giant, the one who spent Wasilla into a $22 million hole for some sort of sports arena? Yeah, a find example of fiscal discipline.
PJABBER
Diamond Member
- Feb 8, 2001
- 4,822
- 0
- 0
Reading the off topic commentary by the leftish posters on this thread and then glancing through the very similar online comments reacting to the Washington Post story about the 9/12 march yesterday suggests the level of welfare liberal fear is increasing exponentially.
When groups such as the Left and the willingly downtrodden are used to being the "righteous" rebellers and the tables are turned where they are in charge and responsible for governing to the common good, the psychic trauma is significant. The ACORN activists and their ilk with their advocacy of institutional criminality cannot bear the thought that THEY are now The Establishment they wanted so badly to undercut and to overthrow. So they defiantly continue to be what they were, just as the scorpion cannot alter its nature and stop being what it is.
When they fail at governance right from the start, when they see the disintegration of their cause and the evaporation of their great amorphous hope, they feel panic, much like a student that has not prepared for a critical final exam and was only playing at paying attention while being the class clown.
When the opposition then adopts their tactics, applies them successfully and accelerates the decomposition of their movement, they are stunned.
This panic is manifested in so many ways as can be seen in the above posts. But it may be that all of these comments are some manifestation of entering the earliest of five stages in anticipation of loss and grief (1969, Elisabeth Kubler-Ross) - denial and isolation, anger, bargaining, depression and finally acceptance that they will again lose power in 2010. Two years is so short a time to have tasted One Party power, so little time to savor the sweetness of spending as though there were no tomorrow!
For now, there is only denial, anger and... fear.
When groups such as the Left and the willingly downtrodden are used to being the "righteous" rebellers and the tables are turned where they are in charge and responsible for governing to the common good, the psychic trauma is significant. The ACORN activists and their ilk with their advocacy of institutional criminality cannot bear the thought that THEY are now The Establishment they wanted so badly to undercut and to overthrow. So they defiantly continue to be what they were, just as the scorpion cannot alter its nature and stop being what it is.
When they fail at governance right from the start, when they see the disintegration of their cause and the evaporation of their great amorphous hope, they feel panic, much like a student that has not prepared for a critical final exam and was only playing at paying attention while being the class clown.
When the opposition then adopts their tactics, applies them successfully and accelerates the decomposition of their movement, they are stunned.
This panic is manifested in so many ways as can be seen in the above posts. But it may be that all of these comments are some manifestation of entering the earliest of five stages in anticipation of loss and grief (1969, Elisabeth Kubler-Ross) - denial and isolation, anger, bargaining, depression and finally acceptance that they will again lose power in 2010. Two years is so short a time to have tasted One Party power, so little time to savor the sweetness of spending as though there were no tomorrow!
For now, there is only denial, anger and... fear.
boomerang
Lifer
- Jun 19, 2000
- 18,883
- 641
- 126
My political feelings have been the same ever since I can remember. I truly don't trust any of the bastards. I don't like to see either party have full control. Both parties are capable of going to extremes when they have the power to do so. Whatever party holds the Presidency, I want the opposite controlling Congress. Unfortunately, the end result is often gridlock. But IMO either party is capable of doing the country great damage with full control. We survive, but the costs are too great. Cost does not always equate to money.
I'd like nothing more than to see a viable third party emerge. Or, one to transform into a party that truly wants to represent the wants and needs of the electorate. Myself, I don't want big business to be running the show and I don't want to see the poor running it either. I think an overwhelming majority of Americans want to see moderation, with the needs of the majority of Americans met. Keeping in mind that it's impossible to meet everyone's needs.
I suppose that my wishes are as unrealistic as those of the extreme right and the extreme left. I often feel that it's just too late.
If you search some of my posts, you may run across the following statement I've made a number of times. Ignored each and every time.
Great civilizations have fallen before. We have a ringside seat for this one.
Originally posted by: boomerang
My political feelings have been the same ever since I can remember. I truly don't trust any of the bastards. I don't like to see either party have full control. Both parties are capable of going to extremes when they have the power to do so. Whatever party holds the Presidency, I want the opposite controlling Congress. Unfortunately, the end result is often gridlock. But IMO either party is capable of doing the country great damage with full control. We survive, but the costs are too great. Cost does not always equate to money.
I'd like nothing more than to see a viable third party emerge. Or, one to transform into a party that truly wants to represent the wants and needs of the electorate. Myself, I don't want big business to be running the show and I don't want to see the poor running it either. I think an overwhelming majority of Americans want to see moderation, with the needs of the majority of Americans met. Keeping in mind that it's impossible to meet everyone's needs.
I suppose that my wishes are as unrealistic as those of the extreme right and the extreme left. I often feel that it's just too late.
If you search some of my posts, you may run across the following statement I've made a number of times. Ignored each and every time.
Great civilizations have fallen before. We have a ringside seat for this one.
Yeah, ok. Fortune tellers and palm readers have as much validity as you do.
Atreus21
Lifer
- Aug 21, 2007
- 12,001
- 571
- 126
Jaskalas
Lifer
- Jun 23, 2004
- 36,385
- 10,694
- 136
People were happy voting for the lesser of two evils.
When option A is astronomical government expansion with deficit spending and option B is a watered-down version of the same thing, well it's no wonder people were happy being cautious and voting Republican.
It took GWB to prove to them how wrong they were. Regardless of the party they voted for we were heading in the same miserable direction. It may have been a slower pace towards socialism but it was still socialism in the end.
The protestors have had enough of our two government parties. We want a party of the people.
I?m disturbed that you can still be a lap dog for the elite ruling class. You?re either part of the protests or you?re part of the problem.
And yet you still haven't realized your own glaring progressive-loving hypocrisy. Are you really that delusional? Quit watching MSNBC, quit reading radical left-wing blog sites. Your quality of life will improve.
And if you don't realize that 28 years ago when Reagan came into office there was no internet, there was no grand information exchange we have now. Not to mention, it was 28 years ago! Which means everyone here was, you guessed it, 28 years younger, some not even born yet :roll:
When you imply, or often explicitly state, there is nothing but racist hypocrisy in others who don't like today's deficit spending...
Get a life.
Modelworks
Lifer
- Feb 22, 2007
- 16,240
- 7
- 76
I will give the people at the tea party yesterday credit for one thing. At least they are acting for what they believe in, rather than spending time on internet forums complaining to a bunch of people that can't do anything but tell each other how there party is right and yours is wrong. Some say where were they when Bush was spending , well where were you ? I'm guessing you weren't marching.
blackangst1
Lifer
- Feb 23, 2005
- 22,902
- 2,359
- 126
That's one of the grossest, most ignorant, batshit crazy things I've ever read. The only thing she could be a hero of is porn or the short bus.
WhipperSnapper
Lifer
- Oct 30, 2004
- 11,442
- 32
- 91
What is the Tea Partiers' position on health care?
Do they support the current status quo--the one where the U.S. is paying nearly 17% of it's GDP while leaving tens of millions of people uninsured or under-insured with the rest of the populace living in terror of losing their health care while other first world nations are spending a much smaller percentage of their GDP on health care while having 100% coverage?
Do they oppose Obama's plan because it would change the status quo or do they oppose it because it is a band-aid as opposed to rational advocacy of socialized medicine and national health care?
In other words, are the Tea Party protesters protesting because they are MORONS who support the current, expensive status quo, or are they protesting because they support less expensive national health care and they're angry that the government hasn't enacted it yet?
I'm guessing that they're morons who enjoy paying more for health care while getting less and they support private health insurance Death Panels.
Do they support the current status quo--the one where the U.S. is paying nearly 17% of it's GDP while leaving tens of millions of people uninsured or under-insured with the rest of the populace living in terror of losing their health care while other first world nations are spending a much smaller percentage of their GDP on health care while having 100% coverage?
Do they oppose Obama's plan because it would change the status quo or do they oppose it because it is a band-aid as opposed to rational advocacy of socialized medicine and national health care?
In other words, are the Tea Party protesters protesting because they are MORONS who support the current, expensive status quo, or are they protesting because they support less expensive national health care and they're angry that the government hasn't enacted it yet?
I'm guessing that they're morons who enjoy paying more for health care while getting less and they support private health insurance Death Panels.
Pliablemoose
Lifer
- Oct 11, 1999
- 25,195
- 0
- 56
WhipperSnapper
Lifer
- Oct 30, 2004
- 11,442
- 32
- 91
What exactly do they believe in? Death panels at private health insurance companies? Leaving tens of millions of Americans uninsured or under-insured? Continuing to spend 17% of our nation's GDP for all of that when other nations spend a much smaller percentage of their GDP on health care while having 100% coverage? Is that what they support?
Did you carry a sign with a swastika over Obama's face and text accusing him of being a communist muslim terrorist sympathizer?
:roll:
Are you proud to be on the fringe of American politics, GT?
:roll:
Are you proud to be on the fringe of American politics, GT?
I know for real. Guess it is just Obama's bad luck the the internet and Faux news just came to be as soon as he took office. So lucky that neither Bush had BBS/Internet to have to worry about.
:roll:
I don?t like deficit spending as much as anybody. But I am smart enough to know that the tea party people are 100% partisan and if a Republican was in office they would not be doing this. I am also sure that quite a few of them just don?t like Obama because he is half black. Let alone the idiots that call Obama a Nazi. Maybe they should look up what a Nazi is and they would see that they are much closer to that definition then Obama ever will be.
If they tea party was REALLY against spending then they would also protest republicans that have added more to the deficit due to earmarks and other pet projects that are in Congress right now. But being that any sain person already knows, they are just right wing republicans trying to mask themselves as otherwise.
I found this handy chart of interest:
Where were you tea-bagging morons when Bush took the federal budget from $1.9 Trillion to $3.1 Trillion while simultaneously waging two wars off the books and while cutting taxes? That's outrageously irresponsible, and I don't recall any tea-bagging during any of those 8 years.
Where were you tea-bagging morons when Bush took the federal budget from $1.9 Trillion to $3.1 Trillion while simultaneously waging two wars off the books and while cutting taxes? That's outrageously irresponsible, and I don't recall any tea-bagging during any of those 8 years.
JSt0rm
Lifer
- Sep 5, 2000
- 27,399
- 3,948
- 126
yeah and anti war protesters used to storm the streets as well when there guy wasn't in power, how did that work out for them? That city is made for protest, funerals, presidential pageantry and whatever else. You have every right to protest your government but it's not any "different" then the other protesting that has happened in that city.
No, that's not conservatism: it's retardation. Seriously. At least you could explain away Bushites as neo-conservatives, an actual (if ignorant and wretchedly evil) political movement...anyone who thinks Palin is anything but a talking turnip with tits is clinically retarded.
Engineer
Elite Member
- Oct 9, 1999
- 39,230
- 701
- 126
Because Cheney reiterated the ole Reagan phrase "Deficits don't matter" and the GOP listened (and worshiped) to him and his little puppet Bush. Of course, he has since flip flopped on the issue and now those people are piling on the bandwagon going the opposite direction.
TRENDING THREADS
-
Discussion Zen 5 Speculation (EPYC Turin and Strix Point/Granite Ridge - Ryzen 9000)- Started by DisEnchantment
- Replies: 25K
-
Discussion Intel Meteor, Arrow, Lunar & Panther Lakes + WCL Discussion Threads
- Started by Tigerick
- Replies: 24K
-
Discussion Intel current and future Lakes & Rapids thread- Started by TheF34RChannel
- Replies: 23K
-
-
Facebook
Twitter