I want to do Linux on my server...which version?

[Spyro]

Originally posted by: Rufio
i just wanted to say that this is my most successful thread ever, and i did not post one bit of useful information into it.

Really??? In that case, I would like to say something: TROLL

A clever one, but a troll nonetheless

 

[Rufio]

Originally posted by: Spyro

Originally posted by: Rufio
i just wanted to say that this is my most successful thread ever, and i did not post one bit of useful information into it.

Really??? In that case, I would like to say something: TROLL

A clever one, but a troll nonetheless

ahhaah without my stupid initial post you all would to homeless!

 

[drag]

See? I told you it was a very silly thread to begin with...

Anyways having corporate support for backing your OS's is overrated. People just need a guru or two to take care of issues that may crop up and give the Admins a lot of lee way to monitor the servers and networks in order to anticipate any problems that may crop up and find the best solutions to your problems. Hire knowledgable employees and give time for them to train the rest of the admin staff. That sort of thing. Mostly you have support because people in a beuacracy only get noticed when something gets fubared.


With out OEM support:
"Why can't I get my e-mail?" -big boss
"Bill in charge of the servers can't seem to fix it, he keeps mumbling something about a crappy exchange, whatever that means..." -middle managment
"Bill who?" -big boss

With OEM support:
"Why can't I get my e-mail?" -big boss
"Bill in charge of the servers gave a service call this morning, but he said the people from downtown won't be able to make here it until next tuesday." -middle managment
"Well, that sucks, good thing we pay outragious fees on service contracts every month, eh?" -big boss

 

[rneff50]

Install the system with none of the WM/Xfree86/graphics packages. Just do a minimal install and install the server packages.

 

[chsh1ca]

Originally posted by: Flatline
Hey, my company wanted a supported OS for peace of mind; it was hard enough convincing them to go open-source in the first place. I have yet to have an issue with my servers here, much less one that I couldn't fix (see the second paart of the quote above).

In other words, I agree with you, but if it makes it easier for a suit to swallow then it is useful.

Now that, I understand. What you need is IT management who knows what the hell they're doing. At least here, as the Chief Netadmin (the only, too), I get to make those sorts of decisions, so I can make recommendations, and they generally get listened to. This is simply because our track record with Microsoft hasn't been the best, but we've had 0 problems with our 4 slack boxes (three servers, one our centralized firewall system).

Originally posted by: rneff50
Install the system with none of the WM/Xfree86/graphics packages. Just do a minimal install and install the server packages.

Now why didn't I think of that!?

 

[Flatline]

BBWF, you really seem to dislike apt-rpm; mind if I ask why? I have had 0 problems with it, and it has worked flawlessly for RH9.

Just curious...

 

[Nothinman]

Anyways having corporate support for backing your OS's is overrated

Not really, while I understand your argument from a technical standpoint corporate support is often required by client contracts.

"Bill in charge of the servers gave a service call this morning, but he said the people from downtown won't be able to make here it until next tuesday." -middle managment
"Well, that sucks, good thing we pay outragious fees on service contracts every month, eh?" -big boss

If you're really paying outrageous fees you probably have a contract that says they'll have people down in several hours, I know we do and we've had to have Compaq do just that.

BBWF, you really seem to dislike apt-rpm; mind if I ask why? I have had 0 problems with it, and it has worked flawlessly for RH9.

IME apt works fine, it's just that the packages are still RH and 3rd party quality and there's not very many of them. Debian packages have always seemed higher quality to me (usually good docs, defaults that work 99% of the time or a post-inst script that sets up the app 99% of the way for me, X apps add a menu entry to every WM, etc) and there's over 11K available now.

 

[Flatline]

There is always the caveat that the repositories aren't as big (obviously); debian has several years' head start in that department. But for a surprisingly large number of packages, apt-rpm takes care of dependency hell, so I have to like it

 

[Spyro]

Originally posted by: Flatline
There is always the caveat that the repositories aren't as big (obviously); debian has several years' head start in that department. But for a surprisingly large number of packages, apt-rpm takes care of dependency hell, so I have to like it

One day you won't even need apt to install stuff. Packages will just install themselves...... Oh wait that already happens, they're called viruses

 

[Flatline]

Haven't seen any on my 'nix boxes ;-)

 

[Spyro]

Originally posted by: Flatline
Haven't seen any on my 'nix boxes ;-)

As *nixes get more popular (or whatever), the script kiddies will come over to our house to play too

 

[Flatline]

Ah, but for now we can stick our tongues out

 

[Sunner]

Now that, I understand. What you need is IT management who knows what the hell they're doing. At least here, as the Chief Netadmin (the only, too), I get to make those sorts of decisions, so I can make recommendations, and they generally get listened to. This is simply because our track record with Microsoft hasn't been the best, but we've had 0 problems with our 4 slack boxes (three servers, one our centralized firewall system).

This isn't always true.

When we run DB2, we wanna be able to call someone should something wierd happen.
Sure, we could probably get it up and running on a Slack or Debian box, but IBM doesn't support that, so if something happens, we're on our own, and our customers will be less than happy.

Its kinda like buying a Compaq server vs building your own.
Sure, you can build a technically better server for less money, but you won't get a 24/7 contract on it, your customers won't be impressed, and chances are your bosses won't be either.