Hey, you now you veggie folks are kinda militant. I was just tryin' to have a little fun. Geez, eat what you want. 
Opinionated
Opinionated
What balance does it add? Excess fat? Excess protien? I don't hate meat. I still eat the occassional piece of fish but saying it is good or needed is like saying tobacco is good and needed. Eat it if you want but don't tell me it is for balance. It is an addiction. Nothing more. If you do not believe me stop eating meat for six months.
Go to a butcher and ask him to show you how he kills the poor little creature after that you're a vegi guranteed.
Ecxept if you're a maniac!
Ecxept if you're a maniac!
Specialist,
I could care less how the butcher killed it. I stopped eating meat because I do not think it is good for me.
ForeverSilky,
9 years and I'm not back yet.
I could care less how the butcher killed it. I stopped eating meat because I do not think it is good for me.
ForeverSilky,
9 years and I'm not back yet.
Bober's right, It has to be at least balance. But I still think less meat and more raw fruits and vegetables would benefit everybody
Let me take this opportunity to agree wholeheartedly with BoberFett. Well balanced too. There is fossil evidence of a woman who dies from eating the liver of a lion two million years ago. We evolved eating some meat.
I don't necessarily have a particular problem with the meat itself. I realize we're meant to eat some meat, but we do have mostly molars...... anyway, It's the stuff we put into the meat that really bothers me...
Okay guys, time to take the Popcorn test..
So you think you are healthy, and your digestive system is in great shape?
OK Take the Popcorn Challenge. Eat 12 (count them) twelve kernals of un-popped corn and watch for them to come out; they will be easily seen. If it takes more than
24 hours your digestive system is clogged. More than 2 days and you have real problems.
Hmm.. i wonder why medical professionals wouldn't ever use this test? Probably impractical.. How could they charge you for such an "unscientific", but common sense, test?
Meat is the main problem here. Only because it's, on average, 80% of an americans' diet.
Did you know...
Animal source proteins are considered superior by the medical establishment because they are:
1) High in protein content. (Actually they have too much protein, which is then stored in the body as a toxin.)
2) Complete Proteins: (Yes, this is true, but not necessarily advantageous, since animal source proteins have the following disadvantages:
3) They are difficult to digest; More energy is required to digest meat than can be obtained from the meat. This wears out the protein digestive organs, and can lead to stressful indigestion.
4) The body's attempt to rid itself of the excess protein congests the liver and overworks the kidneys which have to expell the excess nitrogen through urine. People with kidney disease are urged to eat low protein diets. Think it's a stretch that perhaps eating a low protein diet to begin with would help prevent kidney disease? It seems like it's right under the Doc's nose.. Excessive protein consumption is also linked to Urinary disease, Renal cancer and Lymphosarcoma.
5) Animal source proteins are not a real food - they are missing some of the ingredients of real food:
A) Supply needs of caloric (glucose) value. -energy
B) Must have protein adequacy. -building structure
C) Must supply needs for essential fatty acids. -building structure, hormones
D) Must be adequate in minerals. -building structure, catalysts
E) Must be adequate in vitamin content. -catalysts
F) Must be water-sufficient. -used for every chemical process in the body
G) Must be nontoxic. -toxins rob energy
H) Must have sensory appeal. -pleasing to all 5 senses
I) Must be edible in the raw state. -processing depletes food of nutritional value, we were not given food processors..
J) Must be digested easily when eaten alone, or combined properly. -BoberFett's advocay rings a bell.
K) Must be digested and assimilated efficiently. -high energy return
L) Must have alkaline ash metabolic reaction. -with few exceptions
What can meet all of man's nutritional requirements? Fruits, vegetables, seeds, and nuts. You'll note that "seeds" encompases a huge number of things that we eat. What do you think of when you think "fruit"? Apples, Oranges, and Banannas? If so, you're greatly missing out. What about "vegetables"? Potatoes, Corn, and Carrots? Again, you're missing out, although there is absolutely nothing wrong with raw carrots and lightly steamed corn on the cob.
Hehe.. You ever wondered how long that ketchup had been in that bottle in the resturant, or on your shelf, without refridgeration? Or how about that white stuff or that white/yellow stuff you use to grease your fryingpan? How old is it? What is it? Or how about your yummy Jiff peanutbutter? Mmm...You mean you didn't know peanutbutter was mostly hydrogenated oils of the worst(best tasting) type? Why doesen't it go bad? I suggest if what you eat won't rot when it's exposed to air, it's not food.
If you really got thru all of the above, and want more information, you may want to call Vitality Unlimited 1-800-938-4825 (Dr. Robbins) and obtain his manual: "Health Through Nutrition" with cassette tapes.
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Okay guys, time to take the Popcorn test..
So you think you are healthy, and your digestive system is in great shape?
OK Take the Popcorn Challenge. Eat 12 (count them) twelve kernals of un-popped corn and watch for them to come out; they will be easily seen. If it takes more than
24 hours your digestive system is clogged. More than 2 days and you have real problems.
Hmm.. i wonder why medical professionals wouldn't ever use this test? Probably impractical.. How could they charge you for such an "unscientific", but common sense, test?
Meat is the main problem here. Only because it's, on average, 80% of an americans' diet.
Did you know...
Animal source proteins are considered superior by the medical establishment because they are:
1) High in protein content. (Actually they have too much protein, which is then stored in the body as a toxin.)
2) Complete Proteins: (Yes, this is true, but not necessarily advantageous, since animal source proteins have the following disadvantages:
3) They are difficult to digest; More energy is required to digest meat than can be obtained from the meat. This wears out the protein digestive organs, and can lead to stressful indigestion.
4) The body's attempt to rid itself of the excess protein congests the liver and overworks the kidneys which have to expell the excess nitrogen through urine. People with kidney disease are urged to eat low protein diets. Think it's a stretch that perhaps eating a low protein diet to begin with would help prevent kidney disease? It seems like it's right under the Doc's nose.. Excessive protein consumption is also linked to Urinary disease, Renal cancer and Lymphosarcoma.
5) Animal source proteins are not a real food - they are missing some of the ingredients of real food:
A) Supply needs of caloric (glucose) value. -energy
B) Must have protein adequacy. -building structure
C) Must supply needs for essential fatty acids. -building structure, hormones
D) Must be adequate in minerals. -building structure, catalysts
E) Must be adequate in vitamin content. -catalysts
F) Must be water-sufficient. -used for every chemical process in the body
G) Must be nontoxic. -toxins rob energy
H) Must have sensory appeal. -pleasing to all 5 senses
I) Must be edible in the raw state. -processing depletes food of nutritional value, we were not given food processors..
J) Must be digested easily when eaten alone, or combined properly. -BoberFett's advocay rings a bell.
K) Must be digested and assimilated efficiently. -high energy return
L) Must have alkaline ash metabolic reaction. -with few exceptions
What can meet all of man's nutritional requirements? Fruits, vegetables, seeds, and nuts. You'll note that "seeds" encompases a huge number of things that we eat. What do you think of when you think "fruit"? Apples, Oranges, and Banannas? If so, you're greatly missing out. What about "vegetables"? Potatoes, Corn, and Carrots? Again, you're missing out, although there is absolutely nothing wrong with raw carrots and lightly steamed corn on the cob.
Hehe.. You ever wondered how long that ketchup had been in that bottle in the resturant, or on your shelf, without refridgeration? Or how about that white stuff or that white/yellow stuff you use to grease your fryingpan? How old is it? What is it? Or how about your yummy Jiff peanutbutter? Mmm...You mean you didn't know peanutbutter was mostly hydrogenated oils of the worst(best tasting) type? Why doesen't it go bad? I suggest if what you eat won't rot when it's exposed to air, it's not food.
If you really got thru all of the above, and want more information, you may want to call Vitality Unlimited 1-800-938-4825 (Dr. Robbins) and obtain his manual: "Health Through Nutrition" with cassette tapes.
[/This is a public service announcement.]
boy what a bunch of crap in this thread..
Osteoporosis is not a calcium deficiency...It is basically a disease of old age, in post menopausal women.. uncommon in men.
Up until 100 yrs ago the average life span of women was less than 50 yrs. no problem with osteoporosis. adding Ca to the diet does not correct osteoporosis. Ca plus estrogens does partially correct it.
protein is not toxic to the kidneys. What a crock.. plant protein has the same effect in renal failure as does animal protein.. so what ? proves nothing..
dietary protein is linked to "cancer" ? sure it is....
How long does it take for an inert material to pass thru you digestive sysytem ? Clogged ? Right..... sounds like someone has been whiffing their own flatus... Toxic methane effects..on the brain, me thinks.
"congests the liver & overworks the kidney" sounds like a 19th century naturopath,
Let's all head down to the Natural Emporium & get a bran hi colonic !!!!
Osteoporosis is not a calcium deficiency...It is basically a disease of old age, in post menopausal women.. uncommon in men.
Up until 100 yrs ago the average life span of women was less than 50 yrs. no problem with osteoporosis. adding Ca to the diet does not correct osteoporosis. Ca plus estrogens does partially correct it.
protein is not toxic to the kidneys. What a crock.. plant protein has the same effect in renal failure as does animal protein.. so what ? proves nothing..
dietary protein is linked to "cancer" ? sure it is....
How long does it take for an inert material to pass thru you digestive sysytem ? Clogged ? Right..... sounds like someone has been whiffing their own flatus... Toxic methane effects..on the brain, me thinks.
"congests the liver & overworks the kidney" sounds like a 19th century naturopath,
Let's all head down to the Natural Emporium & get a bran hi colonic !!!!
PETA= Bunch of Morons with too much time on their hands!
If you eat the 'perfect' diet, and that isn't going to happen, the most you might add to your lifespan is 30 days. This is according to many Doctors. A Vegetarian does not eat anywhere the 'perfect' diet. In fact, if you follow a strick vegetarian diet you are likely to get sick more often and have a good chance of shortening your life by a significant amount.
BTW, if you eat seafood YOU ARE NOT a vegetarian! You are just fooling yourself.
<< I want to become vegetarian >>
Don't worry about it, you'll outgrow that notion...
If you eat the 'perfect' diet, and that isn't going to happen, the most you might add to your lifespan is 30 days. This is according to many Doctors. A Vegetarian does not eat anywhere the 'perfect' diet. In fact, if you follow a strick vegetarian diet you are likely to get sick more often and have a good chance of shortening your life by a significant amount.
BTW, if you eat seafood YOU ARE NOT a vegetarian! You are just fooling yourself.
<< I want to become vegetarian >>
Don't worry about it, you'll outgrow that notion...
Humans are omnivores. It shows in how our jaw can move when eating. Carnivores move up and down. Feed a banana to a racoon and watch them gag cause they can't chew it properly ( personal experience ) And cows can just grind properly. Humans can do both very well.
But eat what you want...just don't try to force your views on everyone else. Starts to sound like a religion thread
) And cows can just grind properly. Humans can do both very well.But eat what you want...just don't try to force your views on everyone else. Starts to sound like a religion thread
apoppin
Lifer
cxim, of all the posts in this thread, your conveys the most MISinformation.
It's true - vegetarianism is often almost religious in its fervor. The reason is, vegetarians were generally former meat eaters (and or meat lovers). After they converted, they noticed the health benefits in their own lives and generally would never return to eating meat.
There are very few meat eaters that are former vegetarians - and NONE now eat meat for health reasons. You meat eaters can't comment on the health benefits of a vegetarian lifestyle since you never experienced it.
On the other hand we can. However, I personally don't care if anyone eats meat or not. I have personal experience and can only tell you why I CHOOSE to remain vegetarian. There is no scientific evidence that shows meat is necessary in a BALANCED diet. Eat it for "taste" if you will.
Peace.
It's true - vegetarianism is often almost religious in its fervor. The reason is, vegetarians were generally former meat eaters (and or meat lovers). After they converted, they noticed the health benefits in their own lives and generally would never return to eating meat.
There are very few meat eaters that are former vegetarians - and NONE now eat meat for health reasons. You meat eaters can't comment on the health benefits of a vegetarian lifestyle since you never experienced it.
On the other hand we can. However, I personally don't care if anyone eats meat or not. I have personal experience and can only tell you why I CHOOSE to remain vegetarian. There is no scientific evidence that shows meat is necessary in a BALANCED diet. Eat it for "taste" if you will.
Peace.
cxim- Uh... Osteoporosis isn't a calcium defficency? Where did you come up with that, smart one? That must be why they purport milk as a way to help prevent osteoporosis..... The problem is that the calcium in milk isn't usable by our bodies, It's chemically bound to a protein that, once we pass the age of 4, we no longer produce the enzyme needed to break the calcium free of the protein..
Hello? You must know that any substance, in large enough quantity, is toxic to the body. Why is it hard for you to believe that a diet of nearly 80% protein is hard on the liver and kidneys? Damn dude, you act like I'm condemning your favorite band or something. Hello? We've been talking about moderation this whole thread. Your not supposed to eat that much protein. You need a balance. Refute what I said about proteins. You can't, other than disbelief in your own mind. Infact, if you look into it, you'll find that it's true. Use the resource I provided, if you must.
<< How long does it take for an inert material to pass thru you digestive sysytem ? Clogged ? Right..... sounds like someone has been whiffing their own flatus... Toxic methane effects..on the brain, me thinks. >>
I don't understand what you're saying here. Are you saying that your digestive system can't be clogged? Are you saying that that simple, yet effective test, isn't accurate in determining the basic state of your digestive system? You're mistaken, my friend. You are supposed to go to the bathroom at least once a day. This is not just my personal opinion, It's well known fact. If you don't, you are clogged up, It's as simple as that. Your body is trying to excrete the toxins and other uncessary things in your food. If it stays in you, it is just being leached back into your system, where it has to make another attempt to get rid of it. I know someone that has to wear a bag now, because they can't control when they go. Do you know why? Because their colon rotted away. Do you know why? You figure it out..
I don't understand your skepticism, you need to re-read through this thread. I'm not saying that eating protein is bad. I'm saying that eating a diet that consists of 80% protein is.
Wake up.
Tominator- We're not talking about lifespan here. We're talking about quality of life. You feel so much better when you don't fill your body up with garbage. Trust me, I know.
Is it a fact that by eating a diet of fruit and vegetables, you're more likely to get sick? Absolutely not! Infact, the only way to prevent yourself from getting sick is to be healthy. If you don't eat your fruits and vegetables, you're almost certainly defficent in vitamins and minerals. Every vitamin and every mineral must be present in every cell in your body, in some ammount, or that cell is dieing. It is not getting the supplys it needs to be a factory of life.
I'm sorry, but what a bunch of crap.. You obviously don't know what you're talking about.
Hello? You must know that any substance, in large enough quantity, is toxic to the body. Why is it hard for you to believe that a diet of nearly 80% protein is hard on the liver and kidneys? Damn dude, you act like I'm condemning your favorite band or something. Hello? We've been talking about moderation this whole thread. Your not supposed to eat that much protein. You need a balance. Refute what I said about proteins. You can't, other than disbelief in your own mind. Infact, if you look into it, you'll find that it's true. Use the resource I provided, if you must.
<< How long does it take for an inert material to pass thru you digestive sysytem ? Clogged ? Right..... sounds like someone has been whiffing their own flatus... Toxic methane effects..on the brain, me thinks. >>
I don't understand what you're saying here. Are you saying that your digestive system can't be clogged? Are you saying that that simple, yet effective test, isn't accurate in determining the basic state of your digestive system? You're mistaken, my friend. You are supposed to go to the bathroom at least once a day. This is not just my personal opinion, It's well known fact. If you don't, you are clogged up, It's as simple as that. Your body is trying to excrete the toxins and other uncessary things in your food. If it stays in you, it is just being leached back into your system, where it has to make another attempt to get rid of it. I know someone that has to wear a bag now, because they can't control when they go. Do you know why? Because their colon rotted away. Do you know why? You figure it out..
I don't understand your skepticism, you need to re-read through this thread. I'm not saying that eating protein is bad. I'm saying that eating a diet that consists of 80% protein is.
Wake up.
Tominator- We're not talking about lifespan here. We're talking about quality of life. You feel so much better when you don't fill your body up with garbage. Trust me, I know.
Is it a fact that by eating a diet of fruit and vegetables, you're more likely to get sick? Absolutely not! Infact, the only way to prevent yourself from getting sick is to be healthy. If you don't eat your fruits and vegetables, you're almost certainly defficent in vitamins and minerals. Every vitamin and every mineral must be present in every cell in your body, in some ammount, or that cell is dieing. It is not getting the supplys it needs to be a factory of life.
I'm sorry, but what a bunch of crap.. You obviously don't know what you're talking about.
apoppin, what misinformation ???
No Eli, osteoporosis is not a Ca defficiency.
If it were, supplementing Ca in the diet would correct the problem. it does not.
give post menopausal women all the Ca you want. they still have osteoporosis. They get kidney stones & poop a lot but their bones do not get stronger.
We have enzymes that are deactivated at age 4 ??? bull sh1t !!
we continue to absorb the proteins in milk all thru life.
Oh ye of the flatuant brain... If you do not absorb Ca, it produces a soap like material in your gut that causes loose stools. No Ca & we die.
The problem with Ca is that blood & cell levels are regulated at the expense of bones. There is not a good medical reason why this occurs with menopause. No attempts to correct what happens to bones so far have been sucessful.
A BM per day has nothing to do with how fast food passes the GI tract. One can have a BM every day & have a transit time of 5 days.
If your GI tract is clogged, you have an obstruction. you blow up.. what goes in, goes out or you fill up.
No Eli, osteoporosis is not a Ca defficiency.
If it were, supplementing Ca in the diet would correct the problem. it does not.
give post menopausal women all the Ca you want. they still have osteoporosis. They get kidney stones & poop a lot but their bones do not get stronger.
We have enzymes that are deactivated at age 4 ??? bull sh1t !!
we continue to absorb the proteins in milk all thru life.
Oh ye of the flatuant brain... If you do not absorb Ca, it produces a soap like material in your gut that causes loose stools. No Ca & we die.
The problem with Ca is that blood & cell levels are regulated at the expense of bones. There is not a good medical reason why this occurs with menopause. No attempts to correct what happens to bones so far have been sucessful.
A BM per day has nothing to do with how fast food passes the GI tract. One can have a BM every day & have a transit time of 5 days.
If your GI tract is clogged, you have an obstruction. you blow up.. what goes in, goes out or you fill up.
cxim,
If osteoperosis is a disease of old age why has my mom, who is now 49 been suffering from it most of her life? If adding calcium to your diet does not help why is it in societies that eat mainly a plant based diet, which has more calcium in it, not have the high incidence of osteoperosis?
If protien is not toxic why do so many people who go on high protien diets go to the hospital becuase they started pissing blood? It will take about two weeks for this to happen to a woman and about three to four weeks in a man.
<< How long does it take for an inert material to pass thru you digestive sysytem ? Clogged ? Right >>
Goes right through in a day or less for me.
Tominator,
<< In fact, if you follow a strick vegetarian diet you are likely to get sick more often and have a good chance of shortening your life by a significant amount. >>
Whose ass did you pull this little tidbit from? If this is true explain why I get sick even less than when I did eat meat. Only once in the last ten years since becoming a lacto-ovo vegetarian have I taken any kind of medication for a sickness.
PETA= Morons? Ok I agree on this one.
Eat meat if you want but do not tell me I need it in any way. Yes I still will eat the occasional piece of fish that is why I am not a vegan. I also refuse to give up my dairy products. Not because they are a good source of calcium, because they are not, but because I like the taste.
If osteoperosis is a disease of old age why has my mom, who is now 49 been suffering from it most of her life? If adding calcium to your diet does not help why is it in societies that eat mainly a plant based diet, which has more calcium in it, not have the high incidence of osteoperosis?
If protien is not toxic why do so many people who go on high protien diets go to the hospital becuase they started pissing blood? It will take about two weeks for this to happen to a woman and about three to four weeks in a man.
<< How long does it take for an inert material to pass thru you digestive sysytem ? Clogged ? Right >>
Goes right through in a day or less for me.
Tominator,
<< In fact, if you follow a strick vegetarian diet you are likely to get sick more often and have a good chance of shortening your life by a significant amount. >>
Whose ass did you pull this little tidbit from? If this is true explain why I get sick even less than when I did eat meat. Only once in the last ten years since becoming a lacto-ovo vegetarian have I taken any kind of medication for a sickness.
PETA= Morons? Ok I agree on this one.
Eat meat if you want but do not tell me I need it in any way. Yes I still will eat the occasional piece of fish that is why I am not a vegan. I also refuse to give up my dairy products. Not because they are a good source of calcium, because they are not, but because I like the taste.
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Wondered how I was going to PASS the days next week but now I know. Looking for little yellow tidbits in my stool or stool.
Meat is good, every thing in moderation.
Meat is good, every thing in moderation.
The key is a balanced diet and as little fat as possible. Also, make the diet as carbohydrate free as possible. Avoid processed flour and there is no need to cut out meat completely. No need at all!
There are no true Vegetarians!
yakko You cannot get 100% of nutrients that is required for life by being a strict Vegetarian.
There are no true Vegetarians!
yakko You cannot get 100% of nutrients that is required for life by being a strict Vegetarian.
yakko,
demographic studies have not helped with osteoporosis, in general...
people who are in different areas have different genetic makeup as well as different diets.
For instance, in the USA, in general, black women who eat the same diet as white women do not has as severe a problem with O or as frequent, but some black women do have very severe osteoporosis.
In general women with the most severe osteoporosis tend to be fair skinned & blonde haired & blue eyed & of Northern European descent.
However it affects all racial groups.
Osteoporosis is a disease where the body stops making the collagen matrix that Ca & P are deposited on to make up bone. Bone may be mineral dense & quite brittle.
Osteoporosis is of major economic effect as well as a quality of life issue in the US & Europe. As much as 10% of hospital admissions are for broken bones in older women. If simple Ca supplements could fix this the Government would do it in a minute.
After menopause women start to loose bone mass at the rate of between 1% to 5% per yr. It takes about 15 to 20 yrs before there is enough bone loss to weaken the bones so that breaks are easy.
broken hips are a good index. look at hospitals & see who has broken hips. Women !!!! the rate goes up at about age 60 to 65. Ratio of women to men is about 10 to 1.
Given this data, which is accurate BTW, one would expect women to eat 1/10th the Ca of men. Dietary surveys show no significant difference between the diet of women & men.
The progression of osteoporosis in women can be slowed if they receive hormonal replacement after menopause, ( note not stopped ). Women will still lose bone mass faster than men.
This is not a simple Ca problem.
demographic studies have not helped with osteoporosis, in general...
people who are in different areas have different genetic makeup as well as different diets.
For instance, in the USA, in general, black women who eat the same diet as white women do not has as severe a problem with O or as frequent, but some black women do have very severe osteoporosis.
In general women with the most severe osteoporosis tend to be fair skinned & blonde haired & blue eyed & of Northern European descent.
However it affects all racial groups.
Osteoporosis is a disease where the body stops making the collagen matrix that Ca & P are deposited on to make up bone. Bone may be mineral dense & quite brittle.
Osteoporosis is of major economic effect as well as a quality of life issue in the US & Europe. As much as 10% of hospital admissions are for broken bones in older women. If simple Ca supplements could fix this the Government would do it in a minute.
After menopause women start to loose bone mass at the rate of between 1% to 5% per yr. It takes about 15 to 20 yrs before there is enough bone loss to weaken the bones so that breaks are easy.
broken hips are a good index. look at hospitals & see who has broken hips. Women !!!! the rate goes up at about age 60 to 65. Ratio of women to men is about 10 to 1.
Given this data, which is accurate BTW, one would expect women to eat 1/10th the Ca of men. Dietary surveys show no significant difference between the diet of women & men.
The progression of osteoporosis in women can be slowed if they receive hormonal replacement after menopause, ( note not stopped ). Women will still lose bone mass faster than men.
This is not a simple Ca problem.
cxim- WTF? Are you suffering from "Fuzzy Brain"? Refute what I said, besides in your own mind.
The calcium in milk is bound to a protein called casein. We need an enzyme called rennin to dissolve that protein. Humans stop producing the enzyme rennin between the ages of 1 1/2 to 4. Look it up, for God's sake.
The calcium in milk isn't usable, despite what the Dairy Industry would like you to believe. Milk will actually contribute to osteoporosis, because it is so high in protein. Have you ever seen those pictures of peoples bones, particularly the spine, who drink extremely large ammounts of sodapop a day? It's rather disgusting. Do you know why this happens? because our bodies leach calcium from our bones to neutralize the acidic state before it can exit the stomach.. This isn't rocket science, folks. Milk is currently under study because it has a tendancy to form a mucous coating on the stomach walls. This is beneficial for those who have ulcers, since it relieves the pain of the stomach acid attacking them. But this same mucous coating is also believed to actually prevent some nutrients from being absorbed through this membrane.
There are MANY better sources of calcium than Milk and Dairy. Let me name a few.
Soybeans- One cup of soybeans contains about 262mg calcium.
Okra- One cup of Okra contains 177mg calcium.
Salmon- The richest in calcium is the orange-meat "chum" salmon, in which a 3oz serving of canned chum, drained, yields about 212mg calcium.
Molasses- Black Strap molasses is the 3rd cut, or bottom of the barrel, when producing molasses. It has the highest concentration of iron, calcium, and potassium. 1TBSP of this molasses can contain as much as 176mg calcium.
Rhubarb- One cup of raw rhubarb contains 266mg calcium.
Broccoli- One cup of boiled broccoli contains 178mg calcium.
For reference, a cup of whole milk contains 291mg of calcium, a small percentage of which, is actually easily absorbed by the body.
Umm, Hello? Our bodies can't use the calcium when it's hooked into a protein. If our bodies don't have enough energy to eliminate it, we may store it in the liver, and we call it syrosis. In a neat little clump, we call it a tumor. Big chunks of protein and calcium in your kidneys are kidney stones. What does your doctor tell you to stop eating and drinking if you have kidney stones? Milk and Dairy! Again, this isn't rocket science..
While that's true, you're taking it to an extreme. Yes, of course what goes must come out. But that's what I'm saying! If it doesen't, What's that telling you? Your colon can expand, just like your stomach can. Again, what you're saying leads me to believe you have absolutely no idea what you're talking about.
Your stool should be light brown, not sticky, and pass easily, and optimally, with proper intestinal flora, it should float. You wouldn't believe all the stuff they can pull out of you with an enema. Your colon can develop recesses and pockets where feces just sits there, harboring bacteria.
The calcium in milk is bound to a protein called casein. We need an enzyme called rennin to dissolve that protein. Humans stop producing the enzyme rennin between the ages of 1 1/2 to 4. Look it up, for God's sake.
The calcium in milk isn't usable, despite what the Dairy Industry would like you to believe. Milk will actually contribute to osteoporosis, because it is so high in protein. Have you ever seen those pictures of peoples bones, particularly the spine, who drink extremely large ammounts of sodapop a day? It's rather disgusting. Do you know why this happens? because our bodies leach calcium from our bones to neutralize the acidic state before it can exit the stomach.. This isn't rocket science, folks. Milk is currently under study because it has a tendancy to form a mucous coating on the stomach walls. This is beneficial for those who have ulcers, since it relieves the pain of the stomach acid attacking them. But this same mucous coating is also believed to actually prevent some nutrients from being absorbed through this membrane.
There are MANY better sources of calcium than Milk and Dairy. Let me name a few.
Soybeans- One cup of soybeans contains about 262mg calcium.
Okra- One cup of Okra contains 177mg calcium.
Salmon- The richest in calcium is the orange-meat "chum" salmon, in which a 3oz serving of canned chum, drained, yields about 212mg calcium.
Molasses- Black Strap molasses is the 3rd cut, or bottom of the barrel, when producing molasses. It has the highest concentration of iron, calcium, and potassium. 1TBSP of this molasses can contain as much as 176mg calcium.
Rhubarb- One cup of raw rhubarb contains 266mg calcium.
Broccoli- One cup of boiled broccoli contains 178mg calcium.
For reference, a cup of whole milk contains 291mg of calcium, a small percentage of which, is actually easily absorbed by the body.
Umm, Hello? Our bodies can't use the calcium when it's hooked into a protein. If our bodies don't have enough energy to eliminate it, we may store it in the liver, and we call it syrosis. In a neat little clump, we call it a tumor. Big chunks of protein and calcium in your kidneys are kidney stones. What does your doctor tell you to stop eating and drinking if you have kidney stones? Milk and Dairy! Again, this isn't rocket science..
While that's true, you're taking it to an extreme. Yes, of course what goes must come out. But that's what I'm saying! If it doesen't, What's that telling you? Your colon can expand, just like your stomach can. Again, what you're saying leads me to believe you have absolutely no idea what you're talking about.
Your stool should be light brown, not sticky, and pass easily, and optimally, with proper intestinal flora, it should float. You wouldn't believe all the stuff they can pull out of you with an enema. Your colon can develop recesses and pockets where feces just sits there, harboring bacteria.
cxim,
I did not say calcium suplements. I said a mainly vegetarian diet because in a mainly vegetarian diet you get all the needed nutrients not just calcium. There is a big difference. Besides waiting until your 65 to do something about it won't help no matter what you do.
Tominator,
Tell me what nutrients are in meat and I will tell you a fruit or vegetable where you can get that smae nutrient. If you think being a vegetarian means you only eat three or four different plants no wonder you think you can't get 100% of what your body needs. Why don't you do some research before you start making statements like that.
I did not say calcium suplements. I said a mainly vegetarian diet because in a mainly vegetarian diet you get all the needed nutrients not just calcium. There is a big difference. Besides waiting until your 65 to do something about it won't help no matter what you do.
Tominator,
Tell me what nutrients are in meat and I will tell you a fruit or vegetable where you can get that smae nutrient. If you think being a vegetarian means you only eat three or four different plants no wonder you think you can't get 100% of what your body needs. Why don't you do some research before you start making statements like that.
Eli, you overlooked one small fact.. among many others
0% of the Ca in raw Ruhbarb is absorbed. It is bound by Oxalate !
403... here you go with the pedo stuff again... it is not in good taste to mention little cracks here !!!
PS: yakko
the veggie diets don't fix it either
There is no appreciable difference in women with balanced diets & veggie diets in terms of the development of osteoporosis.
0% of the Ca in raw Ruhbarb is absorbed. It is bound by Oxalate !
403... here you go with the pedo stuff again... it is not in good taste to mention little cracks here !!!
PS: yakko
the veggie diets don't fix it either
There is no appreciable difference in women with balanced diets & veggie diets in terms of the development of osteoporosis.
apoppin
Lifer
Osteoporosis is related to lack of Calcium absorption. Animal sources - although they contain lots of Ca are not readily absorbed (try eating chalk or oyster shells - same lack of results).
The logical way to get Calcium so it it used by the body - is NOT to drink milk - rather get it the way the cow gets it - from greens.
cxim - eat anything you want and believe anything you want. It's your life. Just don't ridicule what you don't understand.
EDIT: Tominator - that is utter BS - no animal sources of any kind are requird for healthy living. Anyone can be a STRICT vegetarian and still enjoy a healthy and long life. In fact, a strict vegetarian is far more likely to be healthy than a meat-eater.
The logical way to get Calcium so it it used by the body - is NOT to drink milk - rather get it the way the cow gets it - from greens.
cxim - eat anything you want and believe anything you want. It's your life. Just don't ridicule what you don't understand.
EDIT: Tominator - that is utter BS - no animal sources of any kind are requird for healthy living. Anyone can be a STRICT vegetarian and still enjoy a healthy and long life. In fact, a strict vegetarian is far more likely to be healthy than a meat-eater.
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